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[Sally]

Are you actually trying to put one over on us by trying to tell us there are no tunnels smuggling weapons? Hmm, wonder how those Iranian missiles got into Gaza not too far back where the Gazans were hanging banners thanking Iran for the weaponry. Was there some kind of thing like the Berlin Airlift? Gee, did everyone know that the Gazans have a gigantic defense plant right in Gaza manufacturing all this military equipment? They are bigger than Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, etc.

Are you trying to say Gazan's don't have a right to defend themselves?

You usually use weapons for that.

Poor Billy just doesn't seem to understand that it is the Gazans who are the ones who start up by shooting off their rockets into Israel, and then the Israelis retaliate. So tell us, Billy, if some Mexicans supposedly had long range missiles that could reach Long Beach from Tijuana and were targeting your favorite bar, wouldn't you want the U.S. to retaliate or would you just roll over and play dead? But not to worry. Mr. Tinmore likes your thinking, Billy, and he might recommend you to Hamas to be their West Coast representative.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Give us a break, Mr. Tinmore. You know that your fellow Arabs smuggle in arms for the purpose of killing Jews. Why do you think they got those missiles from Iran? It's a shame that you didn't get into the smuggling business also. It appears that those who developed the tunnels have made tons of money.

My goodness, Mr. Tinmore could have developed one of those enormous tunnels and arranged for the delivery of those high end cars that his friends seem to like. Even here in the U.S. most people can't afford a BMW so you wonder how the Hamas manage to do that.

You are just blowing smoke.

If importing is legal then the term smuggling does not apply. It is only used for propaganda.

Actually it is you who is always blowing smoke, Mr. Tinmore, and the Arab propaganda is some of the best in the world and you sure make use of it. Many of the tunnels were built to smuggle in weapons to kill the Jews. Other tunnels have been used to bring in expensive cars for Hamas and their friends. One time there was an article by the BBC with pictures of these tunnels. They were enormous that you could drive a huge truck through them, the type of huge truck you see delivering groceries to the supermarkets..

Irrelevant.

If importing is legal then the term smuggling does not apply. It is only used for propaganda.

 

[Sally]

You are just blowing smoke.

If importing is legal then the term smuggling does not apply. It is only used for propaganda.

Actually it is you who is always blowing smoke, Mr. Tinmore, and the Arab propaganda is some of the best in the world and you sure make use of it. Many of the tunnels were built to smuggle in weapons to kill the Jews. Other tunnels have been used to bring in expensive cars for Hamas and their friends. One time there was an article by the BBC with pictures of these tunnels. They were enormous that you could drive a huge truck through them, the type of huge truck you see delivering groceries to the supermarkets..

Irrelevant.

If importing is legal then the term smuggling does not apply. It is only used for propaganda.

As a Hamas member, Mr. Tinmore, perhaps you should take it up with Egypt why they were destroying weapon-smuggling tunnels. Here's your chance to be a hero to the head guys at Hamas, and you might get a raise plus a bonus.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I thought the exact same thing when I read this.

Regardless of the weapon used, the attack did happen and the boy was killed.

Maybe, but any story out of Israel I take with a grain (or truckloads) of salt.

BTW, the boy's name was Daniel Viflic

He originally survived his wounds, but ended up dying

If you google his name, you will find pictures

Israel has tanks, bulldozers, and jeeps in or around Gaza all of the time. Ignoring those, Hamas fires its missile at a school bus.

Sorry, this story does not pass the smell test.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Remember though, this attack happened in 2011. The last time Israel had tanks in Gaza was 2008-2009.

So it's possible that they do have the weapon now, but did not before.

Also, last year a IDF jeep was hit with an anti tank missile by the Gaza border

Published on May 1, 2013

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April 22, 2010

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgjmYEuuYXQ]Israeli Bulldozers invade and destroy Palestinian land in Gaza - YouTube[/ame]

 

[toastman]

I watched the videos and THOSE definitely don't pass the smell test.

There are plenty of articles about the rocket attack on the bus. Have a look for yourself.


And why are you so surprised that Hamas launched a rocket at a school bus ?? They are known for mainly targeting civilians.

 

[toastman]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/world/middleeast/08gaza.html?_r=0

 

[toastman]

Two*wounded in anti-tank missile attack on school bus

 

[toastman]

Boy, 16, badly hurt after Hamas fires missile at school bus | JPost | Israel News

 

[toastman]

Israel claims Russian missle hit school bus - Israel News, Ynetnews

 

[toastman]

Hamas rockets hit Israeli school bus: three injured

 

[toastman]

On top of all that Tinmore, the boy's name is even mentioned on Btselem


Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians in Israel, after operation Cast Lead | B'Tselem

 

[toastman]

Do you still have doubts that this attack took place ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I watched the videos and THOSE definitely don't pass the smell test.

There are plenty of articles about the rocket attack on the bus. Have a look for yourself.


And why are you so surprised that Hamas launched a rocket at a school bus ?? They are known for mainly targeting civilians.

Sure there are a lot of articles but they are all single sourced.

What advantage would Hamas gain by attacking a school bus? None. It is all negative. There is no upside at all. It would be counter to their current strategies.

 

[toastman]

What advantage would Hamas gain? What a ridiculous question. Hamas gains nothing with their actions against Israel

What advantage did they gain in the hundreds of suicide bombings against Israelis? Or are you going to deny those too ?

BTW, did you see the boys name mentioned on Btselem in my post above

 

[toastman]

'It would be counter to their current strategies"

It happened in 2011 BTW. Maybe their 'strategies' have changed

 

[P F Tinmore]

On top of all that Tinmore, the boy's name is even mentioned on Btselem


Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians in Israel, after operation Cast Lead | B'Tselem

Fatalities after operation Cast Lead (Gaza, West Bank, total)

Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 470 74 544
Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 0 5 5
Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 0 17 17
Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 4 3 7

Fatalities after operation Cast Lead | B'Tselem

 

[toastman]

On top of all that Tinmore, the boy's name is even mentioned on Btselem


Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians in Israel, after operation Cast Lead | B'Tselem

Fatalities after operation Cast Lead (Gaza, West Bank, total)

Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 470 74 544
Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 0 5 5
Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 0 17 17
Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 4 3 7

Fatalities after operation Cast Lead | B'Tselem

And you're deflecting because ???

 

[P F Tinmore]

'It would be counter to their current strategies"

It happened in 2011 BTW. Maybe their 'strategies' have changed

What happened in 2011?

 

[P F Tinmore]

On top of all that Tinmore, the boy's name is even mentioned on Btselem


Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians in Israel, after operation Cast Lead | B'Tselem

Fatalities after operation Cast Lead (Gaza, West Bank, total)

Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 470 74 544
Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 0 5 5
Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 0 17 17
Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 4 3 7

Fatalities after operation Cast Lead | B'Tselem

And you're deflecting because ???

Because Israel takes its piddly and shout it from the rooftops.