Boycott Israel

[Sally]

You are the one who brought it up.

Palestine law states that it is legal to import and manufacture weapons. Where do you get the "smuggling" propaganda term?

Are you actually trying to put one over on us by trying to tell us there are no tunnels smuggling weapons? Hmm, wonder how those Iranian missiles got into Gaza not too far back where the Gazans were hanging banners thanking Iran for the weaponry. Was there some kind of thing like the Berlin Airlift? Gee, did everyone know that the Gazans have a gigantic defense plant right in Gaza manufacturing all this military equipment? They are bigger than Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, etc.

That is not the point. If importing is legal then the term smuggling does not apply. It is only used for propaganda.

Give us a break, Mr. Tinmore. You know that your fellow Arabs smuggle in arms for the purpose of killing Jews. Why do you think they got those missiles from Iran? It's a shame that you didn't get into the smuggling business also. It appears that those who developed the tunnels have made tons of money.

My goodness, Mr. Tinmore could have developed one of those enormous tunnels and arranged for the delivery of those high end cars that his friends seem to like. Even here in the U.S. most people can't afford a BMW so you wonder how the Hamas manage to do that.

 

[aris2chat]

You are the one who brought it up.

Palestine law states that it is legal to import and manufacture weapons. Where do you get the "smuggling" propaganda term?

Are you actually trying to put one over on us by trying to tell us there are no tunnels smuggling weapons? Hmm, wonder how those Iranian missiles got into Gaza not too far back where the Gazans were hanging banners thanking Iran for the weaponry. Was there some kind of thing like the Berlin Airlift? Gee, did everyone know that the Gazans have a gigantic defense plant right in Gaza manufacturing all this military equipment? They are bigger than Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, etc.

That is not the point. If importing is legal then the term smuggling does not apply. It is only used for propaganda.

Gaza Arms Flow Disrupted by Egyptian Siege
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Since the Egyptian army began demolishing the more than 1,000 tunnels between Gaza and the Sinai, Palestinians have analyzed the resulting economic damage, price hikes and deteriorating living conditions in Gaza. The Hamas government published a study about the issue, but one effect of the tunnel demolitions has not been adequately reported because of its confidential nature — the drop in the weapons supply to Palestinian factions in the Gaza Strip, including how they are trying to make up for the resulting shortages and how it affects the confrontation with Israel.
Egypt's destruction of Sinai tunnels has created an arms shortage in Gaza.
Author Adnan Abu Amer Posted October 16, 2013
Translator(s)Rani Geha
As reported in Al-Monitor, before Egypt's tough measures, the tunnels were a lifeline for Gaza arms dealers and Palestinian factions smuggling weapons and ammunition. The last Gaza war, in November 2012, only ended when Egypt pledged to Israel that it would undertake unremitting efforts to stop the smuggling of weapons through the tunnels to prevent Hamas from preparing for the next round of fighting.

Arms Supplies to Hamas Disrupted by Egyptian Siege - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

 

[Billo_Really]

Are you actually trying to put one over on us by trying to tell us there are no tunnels smuggling weapons? Hmm, wonder how those Iranian missiles got into Gaza not too far back where the Gazans were hanging banners thanking Iran for the weaponry. Was there some kind of thing like the Berlin Airlift? Gee, did everyone know that the Gazans have a gigantic defense plant right in Gaza manufacturing all this military equipment? They are bigger than Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, etc.

Are you trying to say Gazan's don't have a right to defend themselves?

You usually use weapons for that.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you actually trying to put one over on us by trying to tell us there are no tunnels smuggling weapons? Hmm, wonder how those Iranian missiles got into Gaza not too far back where the Gazans were hanging banners thanking Iran for the weaponry. Was there some kind of thing like the Berlin Airlift? Gee, did everyone know that the Gazans have a gigantic defense plant right in Gaza manufacturing all this military equipment? They are bigger than Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, etc.

That is not the point. If importing is legal then the term smuggling does not apply. It is only used for propaganda.

Give us a break, Mr. Tinmore. You know that your fellow Arabs smuggle in arms for the purpose of killing Jews. Why do you think they got those missiles from Iran? It's a shame that you didn't get into the smuggling business also. It appears that those who developed the tunnels have made tons of money.

My goodness, Mr. Tinmore could have developed one of those enormous tunnels and arranged for the delivery of those high end cars that his friends seem to like. Even here in the U.S. most people can't afford a BMW so you wonder how the Hamas manage to do that.

You are just blowing smoke.

If importing is legal then the term smuggling does not apply. It is only used for propaganda.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you actually trying to put one over on us by trying to tell us there are no tunnels smuggling weapons? Hmm, wonder how those Iranian missiles got into Gaza not too far back where the Gazans were hanging banners thanking Iran for the weaponry. Was there some kind of thing like the Berlin Airlift? Gee, did everyone know that the Gazans have a gigantic defense plant right in Gaza manufacturing all this military equipment? They are bigger than Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, etc.

Are you trying to say Gazan's don't have a right to defend themselves?

You usually use weapons for that.

Israel's last attack on Gaza was much shorter and there were many fewer casualties than during Cast Lead because the Palestinians were better able to defend themselves.

Better weapons in Gaza saved a lot of lives.

 

[toastman]

Palestinians have anti - aircraft missiles???

Palestinians shot down Israeli warplanes?

Link ??

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinians have anti - aircraft missiles???

Palestinians shot down Israeli warplanes?

Link ??

I have heard for years that Gaza has anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles but I have never heard of a tank being destroyed or airplane going down.

 

[toastman]

Palestinians have anti - aircraft missiles???

Palestinians shot down Israeli warplanes?

Link ??

I have heard for years that Gaza has anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles but I have never heard of a tank being destroyed or airplane going down.

They've destroyed tanks with mines but I never heard of them shooting down an aircraft.

I do remember reading however that Hamas claimed they shot one down, which turned out to be false.

 

[toastman]

Hamas definitely has, or at least had anti - tank missiles:

Shaar HaNegev school bus attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shaar HaNegev school bus attack was a missile attack on April 7, 2011, in which Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip fired a Kornet laser-guided anti-tank missile over the border at an Israeli school bus, killing a schoolboy.[1]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinians have anti - aircraft missiles???

Palestinians shot down Israeli warplanes?

Link ??

I have heard for years that Gaza has anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles but I have never heard of a tank being destroyed or airplane going down.

They've destroyed tanks with mines but I never heard of them shooting down an aircraft.

I do remember reading however that Hamas claimed they shot one down, which turned out to be false.

I have heard of tanks being destroy by other means but not with anti-tank missiles.

I have heard of helicopters hit with small arms fire but nothing for airplanes.

 

[freedombecki]

The Israel Boycott, Anti-Judaism, and the Giant Shrug

January 7, 2014 by Jackson Doughart

...

I’ve long tried to understand the contemporary Left’s obsession with the Israeli-Palestinian dispute and its tunnel-visioned view of the matter, which categorizes all Israeli actions as evil and all Arab ones as an admirable fight against oppression. One should aim to find an explanation that does not rest on a fundamental hostility toward Jews; after all, the unfounded and premature attribution of bigotry to one’s political opponents is normally the sign of a weak argument.

The best such explanation that I can come up with rests on the radical Left’s predilection for anti-Americanism, which resembles far more a political position than a form of bigotry. The problem, in their eyes, is not Israel per se but the fact that it is an ally of the Great Satan. There is some empirical support for this: even figures such as Noam Chomsky were not hostile to Israel in its early existence. The country was, as one recalls, founded primarily on the principles of democratic socialism and owed to Jewish Leftists for its establishment. Chomsky even lived in Israel on a kibbutz for a time. It was only when Israel aligned itself with the United States that it became complicit, in their view, with American imperialism, and hence dismissible on principle. The Left’s anti-Israelism could thus be chalked up to the decayed ideology of anti-colonialism, which has for decades been focuses squarely on American foreign policy.

...

The problem with the ASA’s boycott is not its means, but rather its ends. On this point there is no room for an even-handed middle ground. Those who depart from the anti-Israel world view must voice their dissent now; if they don’t, the boycotts will keep rolling in.

The Israel Boycott, Anti-Judaism, and the Giant Shrug | FrontPage Magazine

These people got their billion pounds of flesh in WWII during the Holocaust. It's the same bad deal, different faces 3 generations hence.

 

[Sally]

Are you actually trying to put one over on us by trying to tell us there are no tunnels smuggling weapons? Hmm, wonder how those Iranian missiles got into Gaza not too far back where the Gazans were hanging banners thanking Iran for the weaponry. Was there some kind of thing like the Berlin Airlift? Gee, did everyone know that the Gazans have a gigantic defense plant right in Gaza manufacturing all this military equipment? They are bigger than Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, etc.

Are you trying to say Gazan's don't have a right to defend themselves?

You usually use weapons for that.

Israel's last attack on Gaza was much shorter and there were many fewer casualties than during Cast Lead because the Palestinians were better able to defend themselves.

Better weapons in Gaza saved a lot of lives.

Naturally it would never enter Mr. Tinmore's mind that the reason the raid in retaliation for his buddies shooting off rockets was because Israel restrained itself. If Israel wanted to, they could make Gaza a parking lot. Be happy, Mr. Tinmore, that the Israelis don't act like Assad and pound away for days and days and days with their aircraft.

I hope the readers notice that Mr. Tinmore wants you to think that Israel "attacked" Gaza for no reason at all when in reality Israel only retaliates when Mr. Tinmore's buddies start shooting off their rockets into Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas definitely has, or at least had anti - tank missiles:

Shaar HaNegev school bus attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shaar HaNegev school bus attack was a missile attack on April 7, 2011, in which Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip fired a Kornet laser-guided anti-tank missile over the border at an Israeli school bus, killing a schoolboy.[1]

Hamas has anti-tank missiles and they take out a school bus but never a tank or armored bulldozer.????

This story makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like a load of BS.

 

[toastman]

Hamas definitely has, or at least had anti - tank missiles:

Shaar HaNegev school bus attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shaar HaNegev school bus attack was a missile attack on April 7, 2011, in which Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip fired a Kornet laser-guided anti-tank missile over the border at an Israeli school bus, killing a schoolboy.[1]

Hamas has anti-tank missiles and they take out a school bus but never a tank or armored bulldozer.????

This story makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like a load of BS.

I thought the exact same thing when I read this.

Regardless of the weapon used, the attack did happen and the boy was killed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you trying to say Gazan's don't have a right to defend themselves?

You usually use weapons for that.

Israel's last attack on Gaza was much shorter and there were many fewer casualties than during Cast Lead because the Palestinians were better able to defend themselves.

Better weapons in Gaza saved a lot of lives.

Naturally it would never enter Mr. Tinmore's mind that the reason the raid in retaliation for his buddies shooting off rockets was because Israel restrained itself. If Israel wanted to, they could make Gaza a parking lot. Be happy, Mr. Tinmore, that the Israelis don't act like Assad and pound away for days and days and days with their aircraft.

I hope the readers notice that Mr. Tinmore wants you to think that Israel "attacked" Gaza for no reason at all when in reality Israel only retaliates when Mr. Tinmore's buddies start shooting off their rockets into Israel.

No, I don't think so.

 

[toastman]

Remember though, this attack happened in 2011. The last time Israel had tanks in Gaza was 2008-2009.

So it's possible that they do have the weapon now, but did not before.

Also, last year a IDF jeep was hit with an anti tank missile by the Gaza border

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas definitely has, or at least had anti - tank missiles:

Shaar HaNegev school bus attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shaar HaNegev school bus attack was a missile attack on April 7, 2011, in which Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip fired a Kornet laser-guided anti-tank missile over the border at an Israeli school bus, killing a schoolboy.[1]

Hamas has anti-tank missiles and they take out a school bus but never a tank or armored bulldozer.????

This story makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like a load of BS.

I thought the exact same thing when I read this.

Regardless of the weapon used, the attack did happen and the boy was killed.

Maybe, but any story out of Israel I take with a grain (or truckloads) of salt.

 

[Sally]

That is not the point. If importing is legal then the term smuggling does not apply. It is only used for propaganda.

Give us a break, Mr. Tinmore. You know that your fellow Arabs smuggle in arms for the purpose of killing Jews. Why do you think they got those missiles from Iran? It's a shame that you didn't get into the smuggling business also. It appears that those who developed the tunnels have made tons of money.

My goodness, Mr. Tinmore could have developed one of those enormous tunnels and arranged for the delivery of those high end cars that his friends seem to like. Even here in the U.S. most people can't afford a BMW so you wonder how the Hamas manage to do that.

You are just blowing smoke.

If importing is legal then the term smuggling does not apply. It is only used for propaganda.

Actually it is you who is always blowing smoke, Mr. Tinmore, and the Arab propaganda is some of the best in the world and you sure make use of it. Many of the tunnels were built to smuggle in weapons to kill the Jews. Other tunnels have been used to bring in expensive cars for Hamas and their friends. One time there was an article by the BBC with pictures of these tunnels. They were enormous that you could drive a huge truck through them, the type of huge truck you see delivering groceries to the supermarkets..

 

[toastman]

Hamas has anti-tank missiles and they take out a school bus but never a tank or armored bulldozer.????

This story makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like a load of BS.

I thought the exact same thing when I read this.

Regardless of the weapon used, the attack did happen and the boy was killed.

Maybe, but any story out of Israel I take with a grain (or truckloads) of salt.

I feel the same way about stories coming out of Palestinian territories

 

[toastman]

Hamas has anti-tank missiles and they take out a school bus but never a tank or armored bulldozer.????

This story makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like a load of BS.

I thought the exact same thing when I read this.

Regardless of the weapon used, the attack did happen and the boy was killed.

Maybe, but any story out of Israel I take with a grain (or truckloads) of salt.

BTW, the boy's name was Daniel Viflic

He originally survived his wounds, but ended up dying

If you google his name, you will find pictures