Boeing Now Parking Grounded 737 MAX Planes In Car-Lots

[longknife]

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And here’s the kicker:

Several days prior we reported that one of the key issues regarding the plane was whether all pilots had enough upper body strength to turn a crank - a surprisingly low-tech hangup in a scandal that was catalyzed by malfunctioning software.

They can’t turn a crank?

More @ Boeing Now Parking Grounded 737 MAX Planes In Car-Lots

Wouldn’t you love to be the traffic director when it’s decided they’re ready to fly again?

 

[Pogo]

Boeing is in a world of shit, and they deserve it.

What happened was their competitor AIrbus developed a newer, bigger mousetrap and was getting orders for it, and Boeing panicked. They rush-developed the 737 mod to match it which design involved moving the engines to a position where they would tend to pitch the aircraft up, which can result in a stall, which then causes the aircraft to literally fall out of the sky. So to counteract that design flaw they installed a software (that nobody had really tested), which would be triggered by a single sensor. You NEVER design an aircraft system without redundancy but Boeing did it that way because using multiple sensors would have got the FAA to require pilot training, which would slow the whole deal down and, bottom line, COST BOEING MONEY. That software was supposed to detect pitching up and compensate by pitching down to level the plane and avoid stalling, but when the plane is not pitching up, i.e. the information from that SINGLE sensor is erroneous ---- it simply sends the plane into a nosedive.

So they foisted these retarded planes on pilots who had no idea the software even existed. Wasn't even mentioned in the manual at all, let alone how to override it. These deadly planes were commadeered by the software working against pilots who had no idea what was going on, lost their battle for control of the aircraft, and 346 people died within a few months, all so that Boeing could make MONEY.

 

[Dekster]

Boeing will be fine. They are pretty much the only major manufacturer left in the US and they have a crap ton of government contracts.

 

[leftwinger]

Boeing is in a world of shit, and they deserve it.

What happened was their competitor AIrbus developed a newer, bigger mousetrap and was getting orders for it, and Boeing panicked. They rush-developed the 737 mod to match it which design involved moving the engines to a position where they would tend to pitch the aircraft up, which can result in a stall, which then causes the aircraft to literally fall out of the sky. So to counteract that design flaw they installed a software (that nobody had really tested), which would be triggered by a single sensor. You NEVER design an aircraft system without redundancy but Boeing did it that way because using multiple sensors would have got the FAA to require pilot training, which would slow the whole deal down and, bottom line, COST BOEING MONEY. That software was supposed to detect pitching up and compensate by pitching down to level the plane and avoid stalling, but when the plane is not pitching up, i.e. the information from that SINGLE sensor is erroneous ---- it simply sends the plane into a nosedive.

So they foisted these retarded planes on pilots who had no idea the software even existed. Wasn't even mentioned in the manual at all, let alone how to override it. These deadly planes were commadeered by the software working against pilots who had no idea what was going on, lost their battle for control of the aircraft, and 346 people died within a few months, all so that Boeing could make MONEY.

Lots of words an accusations there Counselor? You sound so sure. Does the Boeing Legal team know about you?

 

[gallantwarrior]

I'm not sure where those planes are parked, my guess is at a Boeing facility. Most of the planes are on tarmac marked by taxi lines, others are parked on car parking, obviously. Probably busing employees in from some alternative parking area. The video makes for some dramatic footage to support someone's narrative, I'm sure.

 

[Pogo]

Boeing is in a world of shit, and they deserve it.

What happened was their competitor AIrbus developed a newer, bigger mousetrap and was getting orders for it, and Boeing panicked. They rush-developed the 737 mod to match it which design involved moving the engines to a position where they would tend to pitch the aircraft up, which can result in a stall, which then causes the aircraft to literally fall out of the sky. So to counteract that design flaw they installed a software (that nobody had really tested), which would be triggered by a single sensor. You NEVER design an aircraft system without redundancy but Boeing did it that way because using multiple sensors would have got the FAA to require pilot training, which would slow the whole deal down and, bottom line, COST BOEING MONEY. That software was supposed to detect pitching up and compensate by pitching down to level the plane and avoid stalling, but when the plane is not pitching up, i.e. the information from that SINGLE sensor is erroneous ---- it simply sends the plane into a nosedive.

So they foisted these retarded planes on pilots who had no idea the software even existed. Wasn't even mentioned in the manual at all, let alone how to override it. These deadly planes were commadeered by the software working against pilots who had no idea what was going on, lost their battle for control of the aircraft, and 346 people died within a few months, all so that Boeing could make MONEY.

Lots of words an accusations there Counselor? You sound so sure. Does the Boeing Legal team know about you?

See for yourself.

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Prosecution rests.

 

[22lcidw]

What I love about this is that there are other sites where Progs bragged about Boeing because of the great people working in the Seattle area and if Boeing put their facilities in the red neck regions they would get crappy products. Come on Boeing...move the facilities while the tail is between your legs. The South will embrace you and you will recover. Otherwise...viva la Air Bus! And the military failures and the SLS joke. Of course the taxpayer is on the hook like always. When will East Asia start building the big commercial jets?

 

[Pogo]

What I love about this is that there are other sites where Progs bragged about Boeing because of the great people working in the Seattle area and if Boeing put their facilities in the red neck regions they would get crappy products.

Are there now.

Links?

 

[Zorro!]

What I love about this is that there are other sites where Progs bragged about Boeing because of the great people working in the Seattle area and if Boeing put their facilities in the red neck regions they would get crappy products. Come on Boeing...move the facilities while the tail is between your legs. The South will embrace you and you will recover. Otherwise...viva la Air Bus! And the military failures and the SLS joke. Of course the taxpayer is on the hook like always. When will East Asia start building the big commercial jets?

The problem:

Boeing's 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers

From the same folks in Seattle that brag about their $15/hr minimum wage in parts of the greater metro.

The Max software -- plagued by issues that could keep the planes grounded months longer after U.S. regulators this week revealed a SECOND MAJOR flaw -- was developed at a time Boeing was laying off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs.

Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India.

In offices across from Seattle’s Boeing Field, recent college graduates employed by the Indian software developer HCL Technologies Ltd. occupied several rows of desks.

THEY KNEW THEY HAD QUALITY CONTROL ISSUES:

The coders from HCL were typically designing to specifications set by Boeing. Still, “it was controversial because it was far less efficient than Boeing engineers just writing the code,” Rabin said. Frequently, he recalled, “it took many rounds going back and forth because the code was not done correctly.”

Boeing’s cultivation of Indian companies appeared to pay other dividends. In recent years, it has won several orders for Indian military and commercial aircraft, such as a $22 billion one in January 2017 to supply SpiceJet Ltd. That order included 100 737-Max 8 jets and represented Boeing’s largest order ever from an Indian airline, a coup in a country dominated by Airbus.

Based on resumes posted on social media, HCL engineers helped develop and test the Max’s flight-display software, while employees from another Indian company, Cyient Ltd., handled software for flight-test equipment.

PAYING THE PIPER IN BLOOD

The company’s shares fell this week after the regulator found a further problem with a computer chip that experienced a lag in emergency response when it was overwhelmed with data.

Rabin, the former software engineer, recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn’t need senior engineers because its products were mature. “I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren’t needed,” said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015.

BRAVE NEW WORLD WHERE WE SCREW THE AMERICAN WORKER

Sales are another reason to send the work overseas. In exchange for an $11 billion order in 2005 from Air India, Boeing promised to invest $1.7 billion in Indian companies. That was a boon for HCL and other software developers from India, such as Cyient, whose engineers were widely used in computer-services industries but not yet prominent in aerospace.

THEY DON'T COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY IN ENGLISH

Outsourcing has long been a sore point for some Boeing engineers, who, in addition to fearing job losses say it has led to communications issues and mistakes.

Boeing has also expanded a design center in Moscow. At a meeting with a chief 787 engineer in 2008, one staffer complained about sending drawings back to a team in Russia 18 times before they understood that the smoke detectors needed to be connected to the electrical system, said Cynthia Cole, a former Boeing engineer who headed the engineers’ union from 2006 to 2010.

Engineers in India made around $5 an hour; it’s now $9 or $10, compared with $35 to $40 for those in the U.S. on an H1B visa, but the "cheaper" hourly wage equated to more like $80 because of the need for supervision and to correct mistakes.

THE BUTCHER'S BILL

During the crashes of Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines planes that killed 346 people, investigators suspect, the MCAS system pushed the planes into uncontrollable dives because of bad data from a single sensor.

That design violated basic principles of redundancy for generations of Boeing engineers, and the company apparently never tested to see how the software would respond, Lemme said. “It was a stunning fail,” he said. “A lot of people should have thought of this problem – not one person – and asked about it.”

Boeing also has disclosed that it learned soon after Max deliveries began in 2017 that a warning light that might have alerted crews to the issue with the sensor wasn’t installed correctly in the flight-display software. A Boeing statement in May, explaining why the company didn’t inform regulators at the time, said engineers had determined it wasn’t a safety issue.

“Senior company leadership,” the statement added, “was not involved in the review.”

Boeing's 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers