Bob Kerry On Afghanistan, Iraq, and 'The Prize'

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    He's not given up on Obama yet, but he's wavering:

    Bob Kerrey: Obama's Nobel and His Obligation to Afghanistan - WSJ.com

     
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    That's what you take from that article?

    Amazing how you can trash a discussion before it even begins.....
     
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    Great response, no one would be shocked that we might have a different reading on something. On the other hand, I managed to get my analysis across with few words. You however only attack the poster.
     
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    Bob Kerrey: Obama's Nobel and His Obligation to Afghanistan - WSJ.com

    While success in Afghanistan may not look the same as it does in Iraq, I believe there is a very good chance that a stable democracy can survive there.

    There are four primary components of any foreign policy: vision and strategy; quality of the leadership team; domestic strength; and capacity to manage crises. Weakness in any of these realms can lead to overall failure.

    On vision, President Obama is very inspiring. He has given moderates in Muslim countries room to move by speaking to them directly and respectfully, while at the same time continuing to wage an aggressive and necessary battle against radical Islamists who have declared war on the U.S. However, he has made too many apologies. And at this point, his strategy is too naïve and has too little coherence to be called a strategy. If the issue of foreign policy had been more important in his presidential campaign—and therefore important to the electorate—I might be more critical. And if I weren't a supporter, my judgment would be harsher. But in this realm, I'm still hoping for improvement.

    On the quality of the leadership team he has recruited, President Obama has excelled. Across the board, from Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the president has assembled an exceptional team. Their depth of experience and intellect provide him the kind of judgment and analysis he needs to make tough choices.

    President Obama's lack of domestic strength is his biggest problem. His actions to stabilize the financial system prevented an economic meltdown of dire proportions. However, our economy is still very fragile. Our public debt is growing at the fastest rate since the World War II, the dollar is weakening, and economic experts are making ominous statements about the possibility of our currency being replaced as the world currency of choice. Anxiety over unemployment and the devaluation of assets has contributed to America's unwillingness to support much of anything that doesn't contribute directly to our recovery.

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    Really Bob...WHO is naïve? A "a very good chance that a stable democracy can survive there"... in THIS century???

    BTW BOB...HOW are we going to PAY for THIS, considering "our economy is still very fragile. Our public debt is growing at the fastest rate since the World War II, the dollar is weakening, and economic experts are making ominous statements about the possibility of our currency being replaced as the world currency of choice."



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    I do have a lot of respect for Mr. Kerry. He is a Congressional Medal of Honor winner and a team mate. His opinion is welcome in this debate over Afghanistan as he has walked the walk.
    This particular quote is quite telling:
    He is of the same mind as over 50% of Americans with respect to this and he's spot on the money with this comment:
    I hope Obama listens to this man. He knows what he's talking about.
     
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    A TEAM mate...

    Thanh Phong Massacre

    In 2001, the New York Times Magazine and 60 Minutes II carried reports on an incident that occurred during Kerrey's Vietnam War service. On February 25, 1969, he led a Swift Boat raid on the isolated peasant village of Thanh Phong, Vietnam, targeting a Viet Cong leader that intelligence suggested would be present. The village was considered part of a free-fire zone by the U.S. military.

    Kerrey's SEAL team first encountered a peasant house, or hooch, and killed the people inside with knives. While Kerrey says he did not go inside the hooch and did not participate in the killings, another member of the team, Gerhard Klann, said that the people killed there were an elderly man and woman and three children under 12, and that Kerrey helped kill the man. Despite the differing recollections about who actually stabbed these people, Kerrey accepts responsibility as the team leader for their deaths: "Standard operating procedure was to dispose of the people we made contact with," he told the New York Times Magazine. Later, according to Kerrey, the team was shot at from the village and returned fire, only to find after the battle that all the dead were women and children, clustered together in the center of the village. "The thing that I will remember until the day I die is walking in and finding, I don't know, 14 or so, I don't even know what the number was, women and children who were dead," Kerrey said in 1998. "I was expecting to find Vietcong soldiers with weapons, dead. Instead I found women and children."[3] Klann, and a Vietnamese woman, Pham Tri Lanh, who says she witnessed the assault, gave a different account, saying that the SEALs rounded up the inhabitants of the village and shot them.
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    What's the problem....looks like a successful Op to me.....Obviously the voting public in Nebraska thought so too.
     
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    Killing women, children and non-combatants is a "successful Op"

    Please remind me HOW your views differ from al Qaeda, the Taliban and Hamas???

    Oh, it has to do with YOUR nationalism...

    Nationalism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.
     
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    War is hell Bfgrn...no one's making excuses for what happened. Sometimes there are casualties that aren't meant to be. YOU were not on the ground in that village therefore YOU have no right to judge the man. Let his God judge him when the time comes. In the mean time the Nebraska voters accepted his version of the story and moved on. I would suggest you do as well.

    Where is your outrage at the women and children killed a few weeks ago by Obama ordering a Predator strike on a supposed Taliban Commander's house? As it turns out he killed an AFGHAN Army commander's (who is on OUR SIDE) wife, his son and his wife's pregnant (9 months) sister!
    Please stow your phony outrage at an incident that happened 40 years ago.
     
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    I AM outraged at the women and children killed a few weeks ago by Obama ordering a Predator strike on a supposed Taliban Commander's house... but MORE importantly the AFGHANS are outraged and the sentiment in Afghanistan is turning against America...

    Killing women and children will do that...

    I hope President Obama DOESN'T listen to baby killer Bob Kerrey...

    BTW pea brain, God will also judge YOU on your morality...

    YOU right wing killing cheerleaders better hope God looks like THIS...

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    Otherwise, you and BOB can roast your weenies together...

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