Board Libs Concerning Homosexuality

[OCA]

Why is it then that many European countries allow many things that we consider to be indecent or obscene and still exist? How can that be? If gay marriage, drug use, etc etc, are as bad as we make them out to be then how come countries that have legalized, or legitimized these actions are not falling apart at the seams? (Let's please not turn this into a debate on Europe, I'm just making a point that decency is highly subjective).




Whether it's a choice or not is still up in the air. Why should society deem something wrong which has no visible impact on 99.9999999% of society? If they get married does that somehow change the visibility of their relationships? What about gay partners who have been living together for over 10 years? Will that somehow change the vast majority of their relationships? I fail to see why society has deemed it to be wrong?



You know as well as I do, that the arguments that I banned from this debate hold no water under careful examination. Come on man, give me a good reason why they should not be allowed to marry.

The arguments hold water as well as any solid cast iron pot.

Anyway if you love Europe and European ways by all means move there, here in America we have deemed it to be wrong and rightly so.

And banning topics? Huh hello, I do the banning here, check out my status here.

Oh and I forgot, please answer me why after many decades and billions of dollars in research no gay gene found? By default that makes it a choice. And even if they found a gene by some miracle someday there is one thing that seperates us from animals and that is reasoning and critical thinking and since we know that homo is wrong then we by all means have the ability to not act out on it. I mean I have the urge daily to stab kids I see in baggy pants, dressed like gangsters and speaking ebonics, do I do it? No, because it would be wrong, pleasureable but wrong.

Listen we make laws all the time based upon things we deem to be morally wrong, smoking weed for example, does it hurt anybody else? Not really but it turns the user into an unproductive, lazy fuck after awhile, same thing with homos, doesn't hurt me but it sure as hell endangers the life of the homo, you know, AIDS and all, but hey wait, it can be argued that that also endangers us all given that homos have infected the blood supply for nigh on 30 years now.

Anyway my arguments are solid, try, just try and deflate them, you won't be the first or the last to fall flat on their face.

 

[OCA]

No. Really. I like watching you cry like babies over the whole thing. It's truly a source of pleasure for me.

Let's face it... the original question might as well have been, "Liberals, do you all still beat your wives?"

Why should anyone desire to play this troll's game?

Troll??????????? Listen motherfucker, check my status here and watch it or you will join the scrap heap like the rest. I'm not like other mods, my style is, how do you say? More abrupt.

Oh and by the way, the reason you lost the last two elections? Yeah thats right......social issues. Fuck an a LMFAO! You losers still don't get it!

 

[OCA]

Does your wife even like you?

Ohhh Cindy loves this piece of dogshit!

 

[jasendorf]

Let's take a close look at this POS question he posed:

The task is thusly: if it is your intention that gays( whom shall forward be referred to by me as HLCP:homosexual lifestyle choice perversionist) should be allowed to marry...

ok... off to a fairly decent start..

then you must consider what they do to be normal and not a perversion,

Really? I **must**? Why's that? Because you say I must? That's stupid. What School of Moron Logic did you get that assertion from?

please attempt to explain, factually based of course,

(even though I'll toss aside any amount of facts you present with a resounding "uh-uh!" because that's what we trolls do)

as to just how what they involve theirselves in is as normal as heterosexuality is and always has been considered to be natural and normal.

1) who cares if it's "as normal" as what heterosexuals involve themselves in (and really, have you ever seen some of the "normal" stuff that heterosexuals "involve themselves in"? Some guy peeing on a woman with her hands cuffed behind her while hot wax cools on her breasts which have nipple clamps on them is somehow "less normal" if it's another girl doing the peeing???)

Also please explain since you consider it to be normal and not a choice

I do? I don't consider homosexuality a choice? Thanks for speaking for me before I even get a chance to utter word one. Troll.

as to where the gene is that HLCP groups have been pouring billions of dollars and many decades into finding without any success.

You not show me not where it isn't first!

Thanks for your cooperation.

Sorry... I don't cooperate with TROLLS.


For those who bit on this stupid question he posed... start a new thread instead of humoring them...

 

[jasendorf]

Troll??????????? Listen motherfucker, check my status here and watch it or you will join the scrap heap like the rest. I'm not like other mods, my style is, how do you say? More abrupt.

Oh and by the way, the reason you lost the last two elections? Yeah thats right......social issues. Fuck an a LMFAO! You losers still don't get it!

 

[Annie]

He speaks the truth. He makes me look very calm and mild mannered. Really.

 

[OCA]

Would you like to try me jackendork?

 

[Bonnie]

Pseudo Ghost...Why is it then that many European countries allow many things that we consider to be indecent or obscene and still exist? How can that be? If gay marriage, drug use, etc etc, are as bad as we make them out to be then how come countries that have legalized, or legitimized these actions are not falling apart at the seams? (Let's please not turn this into a debate on Europe, I'm just making a point that decency is highly subjective).

I would argue that in saying this you just proved the conservative argument valid. Europe is falling apart at the seems both economically and socially. they have lost their soveriegnty, and their identities. Their lax immigration policies has led to an influx of radical Islamists who are in the process of armtwisting European governments to catow to them at the expense of their countries populus. In Great Britain, business owners are afraid to fly their countries flags for fear of Islamic retribution.

When Rome the mightiest empire got liberal.... it FELL!!

Europe is also making the disenchanting journey from social democracy, but via a different route. Its elites had not foreseen that a virtually unchecked Muslim immigration might hijack the welfare state and poison the postwar culture of relative tolerance that supported its politics. To the contrary, Europe's leftist elites lulled the electorates into a false feeling of security that the new arrivals were simply doing the work that unprecedented low European birth rates were leaving undone. No social or cultural costs were to be incurred. Transaction closed. Well, it was not quite so simple. And, while the workforce still needs more workers, the economies of Europe have been dragged down by social guarantees to large families who do not always have a wage-earner in the house. So, even in the morally self-satisfied Scandinavian and Low Countries, the assuring left-wing bromides are no longer believed.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050228&s=peretz022805

 

[PsuedoGhost]

The arguments hold water as well as any solid cast iron pot.

If you say so.

Anyway if you love Europe and European ways by all means move there, here in America we have deemed it to be wrong and rightly so.

More opinion.

And banning topics? Huh hello, I do the banning here, check out my status here.

So?

Oh and I forgot, please answer me why after many decades and billions of dollars in research no gay gene found? By default that makes it a choice. And even if they found a gene by some miracle someday there is one thing that seperates us from animals and that is reasoning and critical thinking and since we know that homo is wrong then we by all means have the ability to not act out on it. I mean I have the urge daily to stab kids I see in baggy pants, dressed like gangsters and speaking ebonics, do I do it? No, because it would be wrong, pleasureable but wrong.

How many decades have been spent trying to figure out what causes gravity? How many billions of dollars have been spent trying to figure out the underlying cause of the effect that we feel as gravity? By your logic, if something is understood to exist, yet we do not understand it's root cause, it is a choice? We choose to accept gravity's existance? WTF?

I asked you not to bring in the "homosexuality is wrong" argument, but you simply cannot. Can it be that the subjective nature of the argument severely demeans your overall argument? It might be...

Listen we make laws all the time based upon things we deem to be morally wrong, smoking weed for example, does it hurt anybody else? Not really but it turns the user into an unproductive, lazy fuck after awhile, same thing with homos, doesn't hurt me but it sure as hell endangers the life of the homo, you know, AIDS and all, but hey wait, it can be argued that that also endangers us all given that homos have infected the blood supply for nigh on 30 years now.

Anyway my arguments are solid, try, just try and deflate them, you won't be the first or the last to fall flat on their face.

The government should not be in the business of legislating morality. Until people realize that it simply does not work, we will continue this vicious cycle for a long time.

If there is no genetic danger, then why should it be of any concern to you whether or not homosexuals dontate blood? After all, all blood donors are screened for any sexually transmitted diseases and any other conditions that may affect the donation. I fail to see why sexual preference should matter?

 

[OCA]

Let's take a close look at this POS question he posed:



ok... off to a fairly decent start..



Really? I **must**? Why's that? Because you say I must? That's stupid. What School of Moron Logic did you get that assertion from?



(even though I'll toss aside any amount of facts you present with a resounding "uh-uh!" because that's what we trolls do)



1) who cares if it's "as normal" as what heterosexuals involve themselves in (and really, have you ever seen some of the "normal" stuff that heterosexuals "involve themselves in"? Some guy peeing on a woman with her hands cuffed behind her while hot wax cools on her breasts which have nipple clamps on them is somehow "less normal" if it's another girl doing the peeing???)



I do? I don't consider homosexuality a choice? Thanks for speaking for me before I even get a chance to utter word one. Troll.



You not show me not where it isn't first!



Sorry... I don't cooperate with TROLLS.


For those who bit on this stupid question he posed... start a new thread instead of humoring them...

See ya in 24 jackoff

 

[PsuedoGhost]

I would argue that in saying this you just proved the conservative argument valid. Europe is falling apart at the seems both economically and socially. they have lost their soveriegnty, and their identities. Their lax immigration policies has led to an influx of radical Islamists who are in the process of armtwisting European governments to catow to them at the expense of their countries populus. In Great Britain, business owners are afraid to fly their countries flags for fear of Islamic retribution.

When Rome the mightiest empire got liberal.... it FELL!!

How can you say that Europe is falling apart at the seams? If anything Europe is progressing more towards the future... A world-wide government (Don't flame, this is where we are headed eventually).

You might want to brush up on your history then. When Rome lost its motivation to do anything (decadent) it fell.

 

[Annie]

How can you say that Europe is falling apart at the seams? If anything Europe is progressing more towards the future... A world-wide government (Don't flame, this is where we are headed eventually).

You might want to brush up on your history then. When Rome lost its motivation to do anything (decadent) it fell.

They are not assimilating the invaders. If left to their own devices, would be Dark Ages II:

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/06/08/ap2802981.html

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014327.php

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/living/religion/14765467.htm

 

[OCA]

If you say so.




More opinion.



So?



How many decades have been spent trying to figure out what causes gravity? How many billions of dollars have been spent trying to figure out the underlying cause of the effect that we feel as gravity? By your logic, if something is understood to exist, yet we do not understand it's root cause, it is a choice? We choose to accept gravity's existance? WTF?

I asked you not to bring in the "homosexuality is wrong" argument, but you simply cannot. Can it be that the subjective nature of the argument severely demeans your overall argument? It might be...





The government should not be in the business of legislating morality. Until people realize that it simply does not work, we will continue this vicious cycle for a long time.

If there is no genetic danger, then why should it be of any concern to you whether or not homosexuals dontate blood? After all, all blood donors are screened for any sexually transmitted diseases and any other conditions that may affect the donation. I fail to see why sexual preference should matter?

Why should homos not donate blood? What are you in 6th grade?

Yes in some cases such as this the government should legislate morality especially when it is carrying out the overwhelming will of the people such as is the case here.

Your arguing about the gene is wishful thinking, after awhile and so much fruitlessness with the research logical thinking says "hey it probably does not exist".

Anyway about the topic banning, do you believe you have the status here to say what we will argue and what we won't? I think not.

 

[MissileMan]

Why should homos not donate blood? What are you in 6th grade?

Yes in some cases such as this the government should legislate morality especially when it is carrying out the overwhelming will of the people such as is the case here.

Your arguing about the gene is wishful thinking, after awhile and so much fruitlessness with the research logical thinking says "hey it probably does not exist".

Anyway about the topic banning, do you believe you have the status here to say what we will argue and what we won't? I think not.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how brain tumors are a choice by default.

 

[OCA]

How can you say that Europe is falling apart at the seams? If anything Europe is progressing more towards the future... A world-wide government (Don't flame, this is where we are headed eventually).

You might want to brush up on your history then. When Rome lost its motivation to do anything (decadent) it fell.

So you are of the anything liberal is progressive bent?

Hey in Greece(where I was born) we elected now twice in a row a conservative government to power, the Nea Dimokratia party, fuck that Northern Euro lib shit, oh no wait! In Netherlands they are in the process of legalizing discrimination or deporting all non-Dutch, thats very progressive.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Would you like to try me jackendork?

:rotflmao:

 

[OCA]

I'm still waiting for you to explain how brain tumors are a choice by default.

Missle you do realize they have found the cause of these things but have not found an effective prevention, right? You do realize that they have never found anything that even remotely suggests that homosexuality is from birth. Oh they have suppositions and theories but not a fucking thing is even remotely close to being concrete.

 

[Bonnie]

How can you say that Europe is falling apart at the seams? If anything Europe is progressing more towards the future... A world-wide government (Don't flame, this is where we are headed eventually).

You might want to brush up on your history then. When Rome lost its motivation to do anything (decadent) it fell.

The Moral Decline of Europe
by Hilmar von Campe

I spent two weeks in France and Germany recently. It was a sobering experience. Socialist Europe under the leadership of France and Germany is about to leave any reference to God out in the new European Constitution. That may be consistent with French history of the last two centuries as France keeps celebrating the lynching of the commandant of the Bastille and his men, followed by the execution of the king and the queen, as national holiday. It is not consistent with German history where the 12 years of rule of Nazi gangsters, soul brothers of Robespierre and his gang, must be considered to be a socialist deviance from
our historical reality. The present German Constitution begins with declaring that the German nation in establishing this basic law does so "conscious of her responsibility toward God". We are seeing here two different sets of fundamentals with Germany most likely bowing to the godless.

During my visit I was told of a recent book by French General Aussaresses who was on active duty and participating in the war between the French forces with the Algerian National Liberation Front from 1954 - 62. Since I unfortunately can't read the French language my friends and hosts, an English/French couple, explained to me what the book is all about. The General describes in detail the atrocities committed by the French army against the Algerians. "This is even worse than what the Nazis did" they told me. The French government establishment is trying very hard to suppress the distribution of this embarrassing book. The general ends, however, by saying that he regrets nothing what he did. That is not the same lesson I learned from the Nazi disaster.

The socialist German government is leading the nation into the same kind of society where nothing but self rules. Germany used to be the economic engine of Europe, now it is the rear-light, strangled by high taxes, addiction to comfort and unemployment. It saddens me to watch, how a nation step by step slowly destroys first her soul and then itself. Why? Germany has become godless, which was highlighted, when chancellor Schroeder, foreign minister Fischer and some of their colleagues in their oath of office refused to refer to God. Godlessness demonstrates itself as immorality and irresponsibility. I see Germany as a dead nation, brainwashed, with millions of walking corpses, cowards, who don't dare to express an opinion or even think contrary to the politically correct and let themselves be pushed into a prison of predetermined thought patterns - just as it was under the Nazis. People are not free! They are slaves of their lower human nature without purpose and destiny. A great many of them have lost interest in the political leaders and parties and try to escape into their private lives refusing to take part in the political process. There is a strong underlying current of anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism. At one event, where I was invited to speak, my host was told before I had started by somebody in the audience that if I would defend George W. Bush he would leave the room. I was confronted with similar expressions practically at all other occasions. For the first time since the time of the Nazis I heard people speaking of "The Jew", blaming the Jews for the financial mismanagement they have to live with. Helmuth Kohl has played his part in this unfortunate development, but Chancellor Schroeder has managed to practically destroy the once strong relationship with the United States and to reduce the international weight of Germany to about nothing.

Foreign minister Fischer just is dropping wife number 4 and - in spite of being still married - appears in public with another woman supposed to become wife number 5. Adultery is kind of accepted as normal. Since there were rumors that Schroeder, still married also to wife number 4, also has an affair with another woman Germans speculate, whether he might turn up with wife number 5 shortly. But it is more curiosity than indignation. Fischer gets away with it as an interesting and likeable person. Everybody defines right and wrong according to personal interpretations. Germans have become blind and deaf to truth. Can men, who are unable to live in harmony with the one person they are closest to lecture other people and nations like Israel about peace? Absurd!

According to a report by DPA (German Press Agency), which was picked up by Expatica Communications in the United States, prosecutors in Kassel have filed a murder indictment against a homosexual man, Armin M., who is accused of having killed another homosexual man, Siemens computer analyst Bernd Juergen B.. The two men apparently met in an Internet chat where they agreed that one of them would be killed and eaten by the other. The dismembered and partially devoured remains of the victim were found in the house of the indicted man. Prosecutors now are broadening the investigation to include 430 other persons believed to be involved in the Internet gay cannibalism chat room, where the matter was discussed.

Protestant churches are losing their members, 2.75 millions from 26,45 millions since 1991. Only 3,9% from those 26.45 million go to church on Sunday. Why? The reason is simple - with recommendable exceptions the clergy has nothing or very little to say. The clerical hierarchy gives opinions but doesn't impact the nation. I had quite a number of conversations with people, who think that they are Christians. Their concept of God reduces him to a partner in a private relationship of those who believe in him. But believing in God doesn't mean very much. The devil also believes in God. God is kind of dependent on human beings. Christianity in their minds is one religion among others. "Do you think that all the other religions are wrong?" I was asked by an angry "believer". Astonished that any Christian could ask such an un-Christian question, I answered "of course". How can it be otherwise? There is no concept of almighty God, who has laid down his rules for all humanity and expects obedience irrespective of what any person believes in.

The director of the women's hospital in Koeln, Peter Mallmann developed a new method to kill retarded unborn children (fetozid) at a time when they have reached a stage in which they are able to survive outside the womb of the mother. To maintain them would be too expensive and a burden to the economy he and others reason. His method: Stick a long needle through the abdominal wall of the mother observing the procedure through ultrasound until it reaches the abdominal cavity. Then the "doctor" searches for the heart of the child, jabs the needle into it, and injects a blend of Kalium-Chlorid. The heart stops beating and the child dies in the womb of the mother. The Nazis would have loved this ingenuity!

The Metal Workers Union in the former DDR went on strike for a 35 hours workweek. After they had closed down the BMW and Mercedes Benz plants in West Germany, the production of which depend on supplies from the factories on strike, and produced a national furor, the labor union had to call off the strike.

An American friend who lives in Germany told me, "People just don't want to the face reality, that the government, under pressure by the demands made upon them, is close to financial collapse." He quoted a Swiss journalist who stated recently, 'the Germans have to get accustomed to impoverish in a dignified manner.'"

In his article Au Revoir, Marianne…Auf Wiedersehen, Lili Marleen author Ralph Peters writes: "…Europeans talk a great deal, do very little, and blame the United States for home-grown ills. The recent chants in the boulevards of Berlin were almost indistinguishable from those heard-until-recently -in downtown Baghdad. Europe's culture of complaint, its enthusiasm for accusing America of every wickedness while assigning every virtue to itself, and its stunning lack of self-examination leave Americans bewildered."

"The damage done by the recent confrontation between the United States and those nations whose vocabularies collapsed to the single words 'Nein!' or 'Non!' will be repaired - on the surface. We shall continue to cooperate on matters of mutual interest. But, on a deeper level, the exuberantly dishonest attacks on America heard from France and Germany (Belgium simply doesn't count), along with the shameless grandstanding of Mr. Schroeder and Mr. Chirac, appear to even the most pragmatic Americans as grounds for divorce from our long marriage of convenience."

"We see Mr. Schroeder as a man utterly without conviction - a man without qualities - a political animal so debased that he resembles no one so much as he does European caricatures of small-time American politicians. Germany has come down a long way from Adenauer and Schmidt to Gerhard Schroeder."

"Most difficult for all of us to stomach were remarks from members of the German government comparing President Bush to Hitler. Now, does anyone reading this newspaper believe that's an honest comparison? And was it fitting coming from a German official?"

"We understood that Chirac was playing to the Arab world as well as to his domestic electorate. But the succession of French refusals to negotiate seriously or even to consider compromises at the United Nations, climaxed by France's announcement, in advance, that it veto any further resolutions introduced by the United States or Britain, seemed suicidal to us…The tradition of permitting France a greater voice in trans-Atlantic decision-making than its place, power or contributions merited is over, as dead as Jean Paul Sartre or his idol, Josef Stalin. The Gallic cook crowed so loudly it fell off the fence and broke its neck."

"As result of a series of remarkable strategic miscalculations, France and Germany have lost their international footing - not only with the USA but with the world. You had your moment in the anti-American sun. High noon revealed you as powerless and inept… You have asserted your independence from America. Now you have it. Good Luck."

It again becomes clear, that the United States of America are the only hope for the future of free society in the world. A nation under God and committed to truth can pick its partners and change the world, but only when the link to the also godless United Nations is cut. We don't need any authorization from them for anything.

http://www.voncampe.com/decline_europe.html

My historical knowledge is just fine thank you, Rome fell because of it's excess. The emperors were too busy involved in orgies of sex and eating to care they were losing all their predecessors had built.

 

[MissileMan]

Missle you do realize they have found the cause of these things but have not found an effective prevention, right? You do realize that they have never found anything that even remotely suggests that homosexuality is from birth. Oh they have suppositions and theories but not a fucking thing is even remotely close to being concrete.

To my knowledge, they've only successfully isolated a small number of specific genes that cause diseases...most are yet to be discovered. For the record, I don't believe that there is a "gay" gene. If it were genetic, it would also tend to be hereditary. I do however believe that it is a mis-wiring of the brain that occurs during fetal development and as such is something that gays are born with.

 

[PsuedoGhost]

Why should homos not donate blood? What are you in 6th grade?

Yes in some cases such as this the government should legislate morality especially when it is carrying out the overwhelming will of the people such as is the case here.

Your arguing about the gene is wishful thinking, after awhile and so much fruitlessness with the research logical thinking says "hey it probably does not exist".

Anyway about the topic banning, do you believe you have the status here to say what we will argue and what we won't? I think not.

What, you have no argument as to why they shouldnt? Get a grip. You're losing this debate and you know it.

The government does not have the right to carry out the will of the majority when it may conflict with the rights of the minority.

Gay Gene Research:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145754,00.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/02/the_odd_body_gay_gene/

http://www.tim-taylor.com/papers/twin_studies/index.html

Just some light reading for you.