Blue Dogs vs Libs

If nothing happens and the Health Care reform effort is killed due to continued misinformation from the republican party, the GOP may lose more seats in 2010. It is incredible what many of us have been receiving in our Inboxes.

This Bill does NOT give Health Care benefits to illegal aliens, as has been asserted. The Bill is NOT going to encourage the elderly to die, as has been asserted.

The motive behind the lies is to slam Obama. None of these e-mailers care a twit about healthcare. They just want to slam Obama, so they lie.
 
If nothing happens and the Health Care reform effort is killed due to continued misinformation from the republican party, the GOP may lose more seats in 2010. It is incredible what many of us have been receiving in our Inboxes.

This Bill does NOT give Health Care benefits to illegal aliens, as has been asserted. The Bill is NOT going to encourage the elderly to die, as has been asserted.

The motive behind the lies is to slam Obama. None of these e-mailers care a twit about healthcare. They just want to slam Obama, so they lie.

The bill says illegal immigrants are not covered by the plan, but there are NO mechanisms to keep them from being covered by the plan. Indeed the mechanisms for employers that do not provide for illegal immigrants health care, will cause them to be covered.

Sec 1233 does encourage physicians to counsel elderly towards not choosing treatments that would prolong or keep their quality of life at the highest level. We've already seen this in other countries that have government run health systems. We are not talking about DNR for the very ill or living wills to make choices know.
 
If the Democrats would recognize that the American people do what HC REFORM, NOT a new system, perhaps something reasonable could be passed.

Tort reform-lower malpractice insurance, lower costs to patients
More pay as you go preventative care-lower costs and reasonable testing
Portability
Getting rid of 'pre-existing conditions' to deny coverage
 
If nothing happens and the Health Care reform effort is killed due to continued misinformation from the republican party, the GOP may lose more seats in 2010. It is incredible what many of us have been receiving in our Inboxes.

This Bill does NOT give Health Care benefits to illegal aliens, as has been asserted. The Bill is NOT going to encourage the elderly to die, as has been asserted.

The motive behind the lies is to slam Obama. None of these e-mailers care a twit about healthcare. They just want to slam Obama, so they lie.

Sec 1233 does encourage physicians to counsel elderly towards not choosing treatments that would prolong or keep their quality of life at the highest level. We've already seen this in other countries that have government run health systems. We are not talking about DNR for the very ill or living wills to make choices know.

But that is what occurs now. Doctors use their educated judgement to discern when nothing else can be done. It is always left up to the family to "pull the plug." No one is forcing death on the elderly, as has been asserted.
 
If the Democrats would recognize that the American people do what HC REFORM, NOT a new system, perhaps something reasonable could be passed.
You presume that is true. Is it? I doubt it.

Tort reform-lower malpractice insurance, lower costs to patients
More pay as you go preventative care-lower costs and reasonable testing
Portability
Getting rid of 'pre-existing conditions' to deny coverage

All fairly good ideas...except you cannot "lower costs to patients" by fiat in a capitalistic system , can you?
 
If the Democrats would recognize that the American people do what HC REFORM, NOT a new system, perhaps something reasonable could be passed.
You presume that is true. Is it? I doubt it.



All fairly good ideas...except you cannot "lower costs to patients" by fiat in a capitalistic system , can you?

Many doctors already have lower costs for check-ups if one pays cash. Less time for their staffs with paper work. Same with many tests.
 
If the Democrats would recognize that the American people do what HC REFORM, NOT a new system, perhaps something reasonable could be passed.

Many doctors already have lower costs for check-ups if one pays cash. Less time for their staffs with paper work. Same with many tests.

It is the opposite here....without a negotiated insurance plan, costs for doctors, dentists, tests, hospitals etc are HIGHER.

The insurance companies get group discounts negotiated with the hospitals/doctors.dentists, where the single patient without insurance does not!
 
If nothing happens and the Health Care reform effort is killed due to continued misinformation from the republican party, the GOP may lose more seats in 2010. It is incredible what many of us have been receiving in our Inboxes.

This Bill does NOT give Health Care benefits to illegal aliens, as has been asserted. The Bill is NOT going to encourage the elderly to die, as has been asserted.

The motive behind the lies is to slam Obama. None of these e-mailers care a twit about healthcare. They just want to slam Obama, so they lie.
yeah jim, keep ignoring that as more people learn about the Obamacare the more people dont want it
keep your head in Obama's ass and you will see a real change come 2010
 
You certainly sound angry.
Truth be known you are most likely angry at the wrong people.
If Health Care Reform isn't done correctly it could cost a Gazillion dollars, or by my estimate roughly seven bazillion.
There are some good discussions beginning about Health Care now that our Representives are headed back home that aren't just the political "talking points".
Hang in there we need to hear from everyone.
 
There is a battle brewing. The Bluedogs are going to be challenged by the Liberals in the Democratic Party. The Public Option portion of the reform bill is in big trouble and the Liberals of the party are targeting the Bluedogs of their party.

I just hope that the battle doesn't end up costing the country any chance of health care reform. I expect the GOP is very happy about the discourse in the Democratic Party. There is no lock step with the Dems. The extreme wings of the Democratic Party will either forge a compromise or kill the entire effort.

Many of the so called Blue Dogs are classic liberals whereas the ones you call liberals ar nothing short of leftist progressives.

get your labels straight you fuckin' moron. :eek:
 
the so called 'blue dogs' are moderate democrats, representing more than moderate southerners that lean right. they are not in a good place, with an extremely liberal leader and a minority conservative party. Sucks to be them.
 
If nothing happens and the Health Care reform effort is killed due to continued misinformation from the republican party, the GOP may lose more seats in 2010. It is incredible what many of us have been receiving in our Inboxes.

This Bill does NOT give Health Care benefits to illegal aliens, as has been asserted. The Bill is NOT going to encourage the elderly to die, as has been asserted.

The motive behind the lies is to slam Obama. None of these e-mailers care a twit about healthcare. They just want to slam Obama, so they lie.
yeah jim, keep ignoring that as more people learn about the Obamacare the more people dont want it
keep your head in Obama's ass and you will see a real change come 2010

You on the other hand, have government sponsored healthcare.
 
the so called 'blue dogs' are moderate democrats, representing more than moderate southerners that lean right. they are not in a good place, with an extremely liberal leader and a minority conservative party. Sucks to be them.

The Blue Dogs are the ones who have accepted the most money from the insurance company lobbists.
 
If nothing happens and the Health Care reform effort is killed due to continued misinformation from the republican party, the GOP may lose more seats in 2010. It is incredible what many of us have been receiving in our Inboxes.

This Bill does NOT give Health Care benefits to illegal aliens, as has been asserted. The Bill is NOT going to encourage the elderly to die, as has been asserted.

The motive behind the lies is to slam Obama. None of these e-mailers care a twit about healthcare. They just want to slam Obama, so they lie.
yeah jim, keep ignoring that as more people learn about the Obamacare the more people dont want it
keep your head in Obama's ass and you will see a real change come 2010

You on the other hand, have government sponsored healthcare.
really? prove it?
 

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