Bloomberg News Confirms Gender Pay Gap

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Shining Shoes Best Way Wall Street Women Outearn Men


Women who want to earn more on Wall Street than their male colleagues have one reliable option. They can set up a shoe-shine stand in Lower Manhattan.

Female personal care and service workers, which include butlers, valets, house sitters and shoe shiners, earned $1.02 for every $1 their male counterparts made in 2010, according to census data compiled by Bloomberg. That job category, which covers 38,210 full-time workers in the U.S., was the only one of 265 major occupations where the median female salary exceeded the amount paid to men.

The six jobs with the largest gender gap in pay and at least 10,000 men and 10,000 women were in the Wall Street-heavy financial sector: insurance agents, managers, clerks, securities sales agents, personal advisers and other specialists. Advanced- degree professions proved no better predictors of equality. Female doctors made 63 cents for every $1 earned by male physicians and surgeons, the data show. Female chief executives earned 74 cents for every $1 made by male counterparts.

The Census Bureau figures underscore the lack of financial progress made in the generation since women began leaving the home and moving into the workforce in large numbers. While the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression initially hit women less severely, their median earnings still trailed men in 505 of 525 occupations tracked by the federal government.

“We don’t see the pay gap closing,” Ilene H. Lang, president and chief executive officer of Catalyst, a New York- based nonprofit group that seeks to advance women in business, said in a telephone interview. “It’s persistent.”
 
Shining Shoes Best Way Wall Street Women Outearn Men


Women who want to earn more on Wall Street than their male colleagues have one reliable option. They can set up a shoe-shine stand in Lower Manhattan.

Female personal care and service workers, which include butlers, valets, house sitters and shoe shiners, earned $1.02 for every $1 their male counterparts made in 2010, according to census data compiled by Bloomberg. That job category, which covers 38,210 full-time workers in the U.S., was the only one of 265 major occupations where the median female salary exceeded the amount paid to men.

The six jobs with the largest gender gap in pay and at least 10,000 men and 10,000 women were in the Wall Street-heavy financial sector: insurance agents, managers, clerks, securities sales agents, personal advisers and other specialists. Advanced- degree professions proved no better predictors of equality. Female doctors made 63 cents for every $1 earned by male physicians and surgeons, the data show. Female chief executives earned 74 cents for every $1 made by male counterparts.

The Census Bureau figures underscore the lack of financial progress made in the generation since women began leaving the home and moving into the workforce in large numbers. While the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression initially hit women less severely, their median earnings still trailed men in 505 of 525 occupations tracked by the federal government.

“We don’t see the pay gap closing,” Ilene H. Lang, president and chief executive officer of Catalyst, a New York- based nonprofit group that seeks to advance women in business, said in a telephone interview. “It’s persistent.”

But, but, but - that can't be right. But hours, and age and training and hair color! Anything but the TRUTH, man!
 
Shining Shoes Best Way Wall Street Women Outearn Men


Women who want to earn more on Wall Street than their male colleagues have one reliable option. They can set up a shoe-shine stand in Lower Manhattan.

Female personal care and service workers, which include butlers, valets, house sitters and shoe shiners, earned $1.02 for every $1 their male counterparts made in 2010, according to census data compiled by Bloomberg. That job category, which covers 38,210 full-time workers in the U.S., was the only one of 265 major occupations where the median female salary exceeded the amount paid to men.

The six jobs with the largest gender gap in pay and at least 10,000 men and 10,000 women were in the Wall Street-heavy financial sector: insurance agents, managers, clerks, securities sales agents, personal advisers and other specialists. Advanced- degree professions proved no better predictors of equality. Female doctors made 63 cents for every $1 earned by male physicians and surgeons, the data show. Female chief executives earned 74 cents for every $1 made by male counterparts.

The Census Bureau figures underscore the lack of financial progress made in the generation since women began leaving the home and moving into the workforce in large numbers. While the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression initially hit women less severely, their median earnings still trailed men in 505 of 525 occupations tracked by the federal government.

“We don’t see the pay gap closing,” Ilene H. Lang, president and chief executive officer of Catalyst, a New York- based nonprofit group that seeks to advance women in business, said in a telephone interview. “It’s persistent.”

But, but, but - that can't be right. But hours, and age and training and hair color! Anything but the TRUTH, man!


BDB,

I think you've read enough of my posts to know I don't simply "jump" because one side or the other says "jump".



Is there a gender pay gap? Probably.

However is it based on gender or is it based on life choices? That is the question.


My wife and I were both active duty military, we were both Petty Officer 1st Classes (E-6) at the same time. When we decided to have children we talked about it and the impact that having children would have on our careers. We made the decision to go ahead with having children and that we would both of course be parents, but that she would go for the jobs that would give her the best opportunity for caring for the family and I could focus on the hard, career enhancing billets that would lead to promotion. I was to one with hard sea duty which, was something advancement boards look at for Chief, where she had had more shore based assignments. We chose to do that and honestly speaking it could have been very easily the other way around.

Does the fact that I retired a Chief and she retired a 1st Class mean the difference was based on gender? Nope. It means the difference was based on the choices which allowed one of us to focus on career while the other secured the home front.

My boss is the Executive Director of Human Resources, she makes good money. Her husband a number of years ago had some health issues keeping him out of work for 4 or 5 years. Their decision was for him to take care of the home front during this time and for her to focus on career. She make a lot more than he does not, because of choices.



So when I hear about "gender gap" and I take it with a grain of salt. If we are talking about a specific case where you have equivalent work and equivalent experience - that's one thing and should be looked at. If you are talking a broad situation where someone was out of the workforce or not as flexible (nights, weekends, etc.) then someone else and they are making less - then that is something else.


>>>>
 
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Shining Shoes Best Way Wall Street Women Outearn Men


Women who want to earn more on Wall Street than their male colleagues have one reliable option. They can set up a shoe-shine stand in Lower Manhattan.

Female personal care and service workers, which include butlers, valets, house sitters and shoe shiners, earned $1.02 for every $1 their male counterparts made in 2010, according to census data compiled by Bloomberg. That job category, which covers 38,210 full-time workers in the U.S., was the only one of 265 major occupations where the median female salary exceeded the amount paid to men.

The six jobs with the largest gender gap in pay and at least 10,000 men and 10,000 women were in the Wall Street-heavy financial sector: insurance agents, managers, clerks, securities sales agents, personal advisers and other specialists. Advanced- degree professions proved no better predictors of equality. Female doctors made 63 cents for every $1 earned by male physicians and surgeons, the data show. Female chief executives earned 74 cents for every $1 made by male counterparts.

The Census Bureau figures underscore the lack of financial progress made in the generation since women began leaving the home and moving into the workforce in large numbers. While the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression initially hit women less severely, their median earnings still trailed men in 505 of 525 occupations tracked by the federal government.

“We don’t see the pay gap closing,” Ilene H. Lang, president and chief executive officer of Catalyst, a New York- based nonprofit group that seeks to advance women in business, said in a telephone interview. “It’s persistent.”

But, but, but - that can't be right. But hours, and age and training and hair color! Anything but the TRUTH, man!


BDB,

I think you've read enough of my posts to know I don't simply "jump" because one side or the other says "jump".



Is there a gender pay gap? Probably.

However is it based on gender or is it based on life choices? That is the question.


My wife and I were both active duty military, we were both Petty Officer 1st Classes (E-6) at the same time. When we decided to have children we talked about it and the impact that having children would have on our careers. We made the decision to go ahead with having children and that we would both of course be parents, but that she would go for the jobs that would give her the best opportunity for caring for the family and I could focus on the hard, career enhancing billets that would lead to promotion. I was to one with hard sea duty which, was something advancement boards look at for Chief, where she had had more shore based assignments. We chose to do that and honestly speaking it could have been very easily the other way around.

Does the fact that I retired a Chief and she retired a 1st Class mean the difference was based on gender? Nope. It means the difference was based on the choices which allowed one of us to focus on career while the other secured the home front.

My boss is the Executive Director of Human Resources, she makes good money. Her husband a number of years ago had some health issues keeping him out of work for 4 or 5 years. Their decision was for him to take care of the home front during this time and for her to focus on career. She make a lot more than he does not, because of choices.



So when I hear about "gender gap" and I take it with a grain of salt. If we are talking about a specific case where you have equivalent work and equivalent experience - that's one thing and should be looked at. If you are talking a broad situation where someone was out of the workforce or not as flexible (nights, weekends, etc.) then someone else and they are making less - then that is something else.


>>>>

So it's always men who 'do more, try harder' - and that's the only reason for the gap.
 
Well in my line of work men and women are payed exactly the same.

Is there discrimination out there?? Probably and it probably always will be out there.
 
It is shame that Papa Obama
pays women less

I feel bad for you having Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Have you seen a doctor?


I'm waiting for Papa Obama Care to fully kick in
If I do it now, I would unfairly get better treatment

I'm just happy I don't have
Papa Obama Love sickness
I heard it gives you a short term high
but leaves your head all empty feeling
and a bad case of diarrhea




So Papa Obama paying women less is OK now
got it
 
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It is shame that Papa Obama
pays women less

I feel bad for you having Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Have you seen a doctor?


I'm waiting for Papa Obama Care to fully kick in
If I do it now, I would unfairly get better treatment

I'm just happy I don't have
Papa Obama Love sickness
I heard it gives you a short term high
but leaves your head all empty feeling
and a bad case of diarrhea




So Papa Obama paying women less is OK now
got it

Yes, because everybody does it. I'm glad you understand. :beer:
 
So it's always men who 'do more, try harder' - and that's the only reason for the gap.

I'm sure not the only reason, but generally speaking, yes. Men typically work far more hours than women do, are in jobs that take on far more stress, and also do work that is more physically dangerous than most women do.

Also, bear in mind, that women get far more fringe benefits than men do because of maternity related care, including time off, and women's health care tends to be more expensive in general.
 
But, but, but - that can't be right. But hours, and age and training and hair color! Anything but the TRUTH, man!


BDB,

I think you've read enough of my posts to know I don't simply "jump" because one side or the other says "jump".



Is there a gender pay gap? Probably.

However is it based on gender or is it based on life choices? That is the question.


My wife and I were both active duty military, we were both Petty Officer 1st Classes (E-6) at the same time. When we decided to have children we talked about it and the impact that having children would have on our careers. We made the decision to go ahead with having children and that we would both of course be parents, but that she would go for the jobs that would give her the best opportunity for caring for the family and I could focus on the hard, career enhancing billets that would lead to promotion. I was to one with hard sea duty which, was something advancement boards look at for Chief, where she had had more shore based assignments. We chose to do that and honestly speaking it could have been very easily the other way around.

Does the fact that I retired a Chief and she retired a 1st Class mean the difference was based on gender? Nope. It means the difference was based on the choices which allowed one of us to focus on career while the other secured the home front.

My boss is the Executive Director of Human Resources, she makes good money. Her husband a number of years ago had some health issues keeping him out of work for 4 or 5 years. Their decision was for him to take care of the home front during this time and for her to focus on career. She make a lot more than he does not, because of choices.



So when I hear about "gender gap" and I take it with a grain of salt. If we are talking about a specific case where you have equivalent work and equivalent experience - that's one thing and should be looked at. If you are talking a broad situation where someone was out of the workforce or not as flexible (nights, weekends, etc.) then someone else and they are making less - then that is something else.


>>>>

So it's always men who 'do more, try harder' - and that's the only reason for the gap.


Did you miss the part above? (Pardon the grammar errors, I always hate reading my own work.)

Only reason? Probably not, there are probably multiple reasons that coalesce together to produce those results, especially when looking at aggregate data and not specific cases. The problem is that when the data is described in term of "XX" Chromosomes = $ZZ rate of pay compared to "XY" Chromosomes equals $WW rate of pay, then the contributing reasons get masked.

I'm sure there are many cases of XY discrimination, when such discrimination is found it should be dealt with appropriately, I'm just saying that not all reasons for pay lag are based on discrimination.



Some may want to pant this as a gender/compensation issue, which it is, but the factors that contribute to the disparity in compensation may be other than gender. I've provide one example - life choices. Another may be indicative of a measure of aggressiveness.

"According to a recent LinkedIn survey, which polled more than 2,000 professionals in eight countries, 35% of people report feeling anxious or frightened about negotiating. What’s more, only 26% of women say they feel confident about negotiating compared to 37% of men."

Read more: Afraid to Negotiate? 6 Steps to Getting the Salary You Deserve | Fox Business

If men are more confident at negotiating a salary, wouldn't that normally indicate higher starting salaries and/or raises at a higher rate?



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But, but, but - that can't be right. But hours, and age and training and hair color! Anything but the TRUTH, man!


BDB,

I think you've read enough of my posts to know I don't simply "jump" because one side or the other says "jump".



Is there a gender pay gap? Probably.

However is it based on gender or is it based on life choices? That is the question.


My wife and I were both active duty military, we were both Petty Officer 1st Classes (E-6) at the same time. When we decided to have children we talked about it and the impact that having children would have on our careers. We made the decision to go ahead with having children and that we would both of course be parents, but that she would go for the jobs that would give her the best opportunity for caring for the family and I could focus on the hard, career enhancing billets that would lead to promotion. I was to one with hard sea duty which, was something advancement boards look at for Chief, where she had had more shore based assignments. We chose to do that and honestly speaking it could have been very easily the other way around.

Does the fact that I retired a Chief and she retired a 1st Class mean the difference was based on gender? Nope. It means the difference was based on the choices which allowed one of us to focus on career while the other secured the home front.

My boss is the Executive Director of Human Resources, she makes good money. Her husband a number of years ago had some health issues keeping him out of work for 4 or 5 years. Their decision was for him to take care of the home front during this time and for her to focus on career. She make a lot more than he does not, because of choices.



So when I hear about "gender gap" and I take it with a grain of salt. If we are talking about a specific case where you have equivalent work and equivalent experience - that's one thing and should be looked at. If you are talking a broad situation where someone was out of the workforce or not as flexible (nights, weekends, etc.) then someone else and they are making less - then that is something else.


>>>>

So it's always men who 'do more, try harder' - and that's the only reason for the gap.
Stop being so damn lazy, Boopsie!
 
Well in my line of work men and women are payed exactly the same.

Is there discrimination out there?? Probably and it probably always will be out there.
Male prostitutes are paid the same???

I did not know that!
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So it's always men who 'do more, try harder' - and that's the only reason for the gap.

I'm sure not the only reason, but generally speaking, yes. Men typically work far more hours than women do, are in jobs that take on far more stress, and also do work that is more physically dangerous than most women do.

Also, bear in mind, that women get far more fringe benefits than men do because of maternity related care, including time off, and women's health care tends to be more expensive in general.
Wow! That would be really interesting if it had anything to do with men and women doing the same exact job, but being paid differently.
 
So it's always men who 'do more, try harder' - and that's the only reason for the gap.

I'm sure not the only reason, but generally speaking, yes. Men typically work far more hours than women do, are in jobs that take on far more stress, and also do work that is more physically dangerous than most women do.

Also, bear in mind, that women get far more fringe benefits than men do because of maternity related care, including time off, and women's health care tends to be more expensive in general.
Wow! That would be really interesting if it had anything to do with men and women doing the same exact job, but being paid differently.

As I pointed out in another thread a week ago, the whole gender pay gap victimization story is a myth.

Cities Where Women Outearn Male Counterparts - Real Time Economics - WSJ
 

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