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why is it creating an "ethical debate"? the anti-choicers may be creating a debate, but really, we've always been able to do genetic testing and have a result within the guidelines of roe v wade.
non-issue, imo. and too bad if the anti-choicers are cranky.
There is an unsettling tone about "making it easier" for women to get an abortion....a sense of excitement that women would have this information before they could bond with the baby. Then it took on a manipulative twist with the comment that women could have this information before they've even told their husband they're pregnant.
Yes, it's a very unsettling tone about this idea, Sherry. This is the sort of thing I would expect to be met with excitement in places like China, Afghanistan, and the Third Reich (where certain types of children are/were considered less acceptable than others); not here in the United States.
The idea that ANY married woman would even consider entering into such a decision without consulting her husband and getting his input is quite disgusting and disheartening in my mind.
Why would anyone want to have a child with birth defects?
Seems to me that the woman being asked to take a child to term is the ONE AND ONLY person who gets to decide.
It's her body, after all. She's taking all the risks, and she is also the person most likely responsible for the child's welfare for the next 18+ years, as well.
If you are opposed to abortions, then by all means don't have one.
As to anybody else's reproductive decisions?
They are NOT your or my business.
There is an unsettling tone about "making it easier" for women to get an abortion....a sense of excitement that women would have this information before they could bond with the baby. Then it took on a manipulative twist with the comment that women could have this information before they've even told their husband they're pregnant.
Yes, it's a very unsettling tone about this idea, Sherry. This is the sort of thing I would expect to be met with excitement in places like China, Afghanistan, and the Third Reich (where certain types of children are/were considered less acceptable than others); not here in the United States.
The idea that ANY married woman would even consider entering into such a decision without consulting her husband and getting his input is quite disgusting and disheartening in my mind.
Why would anyone want to have a child with birth defects?
Interesting article...
Blood test for Down syndrome creates ethical debate
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Companies are racing to market a more accurate blood test than those available now that could spare many women the need for an amnio or CVS. It would retrieve fetal DNA from the mother's bloodstream. And the answer could come before the pregnancy is obvious to others. For some women, that might mean abortion is a more tenable choice. For others it could be a mixed blessing.
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A diagnosis before birth can pose a difficult challenge for couples as they decide whether to continue the pregnancy. It's not only about child-rearing, but also about what happens as the child grows into an older adult and may need care that the aging parents struggle to provide, says Dr. Mary Norton, a Stanford University professor of obstetrics and gynecology.
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Since the new blood test could deliver an answer so early before a pregnancy is showing or the baby is kicking it might make getting an abortion easier, several observers said. Women haven't bonded so much, and "they wouldn't have to explain to as many people," said Christie Brooks, who moderates an online support group for women who've gotten abortions for medical reasons.
"No one needs to know you're pregnant," said Skotko. "Maybe you haven't even told your husband."
Skotko said he respects that a woman's right to continue or terminate a pregnancy is a personal one for couples. But he's concerned that in the case of Down syndrome, many women may be getting bad information about what having the baby would mean. And if the new test became routine it would only exacerbate that problem, he said.
Studies show medical students are poorly trained about people with disabilities and that some doctors who make a prenatal diagnosis emphasize negative information about the condition, he said.
Blood test for Down syndrome creates ethical debate - Health - Pregnancy - msnbc.com
There is an unsettling tone about "making it easier" for women to get an abortion....a sense of excitement that women would have this information before they could bond with the baby. Then it took on a manipulative twist with the comment that women could have this information before they've even told their husband they're pregnant.
Why is it unethical for people not to want to have a defective child?
Define 'defective'. I have two downs sydrome kids in my family. They are not 'defective', they are people - bright, funny, gentle, self sufficient, kind people. They are no more 'defective' than you or I.
There is an unsettling tone about "making it easier" for women to get an abortion....a sense of excitement that women would have this information before they could bond with the baby. Then it took on a manipulative twist with the comment that women could have this information before they've even told their husband they're pregnant.
Yes, it's a very unsettling tone about this idea, Sherry. This is the sort of thing I would expect to be met with excitement in places like China, Afghanistan, and the Third Reich (where certain types of children are/were considered less acceptable than others); not here in the United States.
The idea that ANY married woman would even consider entering into such a decision without consulting her husband and getting his input is quite disgusting and disheartening in my mind.
Why would anyone want to have a child with birth defects?
Seems to me that the woman being asked to take a child to term is the ONE AND ONLY person who gets to decide.
It's her body, after all. She's taking all the risks, and she is also the person most likely responsible for the child's welfare for the next 18+ years, as well.
If you are opposed to abortions, then by all means don't have one. As to anybody else's reproductive decisions? They are NOT your or my business.
Love.
Yes, it's a very unsettling tone about this idea, Sherry. This is the sort of thing I would expect to be met with excitement in places like China, Afghanistan, and the Third Reich (where certain types of children are/were considered less acceptable than others); not here in the United States.
The idea that ANY married woman would even consider entering into such a decision without consulting her husband and getting his input is quite disgusting and disheartening in my mind.
Why would anyone want to have a child with birth defects?
Why would anyone want a child that would grow up to be a prick? It takes all kinds. You are not better than a DS person. You might think you are but you ain't.
Yes, it's a very unsettling tone about this idea, Sherry. This is the sort of thing I would expect to be met with excitement in places like China, Afghanistan, and the Third Reich (where certain types of children are/were considered less acceptable than others); not here in the United States.
The idea that ANY married woman would even consider entering into such a decision without consulting her husband and getting his input is quite disgusting and disheartening in my mind.
Why would anyone want to have a child with birth defects?
Problem being these tests that are performed to detect Downs are not always accurate. I had a friend who was told her son was going to be born with downs...early on. The doctor kept having these "talks" with her during her office visits encouraging her to abort. She worried and spent lots of time with anxiety over the situation...only to find out after the baby was born that he was perfectly normal.
What if the only reason you aborted was because of an incorrect diagnosis?
Why would anyone want to have a child with birth defects?
Problem being these tests that are performed to detect Downs are not always accurate. I had a friend who was told her son was going to be born with downs...early on. The doctor kept having these "talks" with her during her office visits encouraging her to abort. She worried and spent lots of time with anxiety over the situation...only to find out after the baby was born that he was perfectly normal.
What if the only reason you aborted was because of an incorrect diagnosis?
If i was aborted I would be none the wiser would I?
The what if you were aborted line is meaningless.
Why would anyone want to have a child with birth defects?
Why would anyone want a child that would grow up to be a prick? It takes all kinds. You are not better than a DS person. You might think you are but you ain't.
When did I ever say I was better than anyone?
I asked why would anyone want a child with birth defects.
If there is an option for early genetic testing then why not get tested and see if a child will be healthy? And if it won't be healthy, why not terminate as early as possible?
Why would anyone want to have a child with birth defects?
Why would anyone want a child that would grow up to be a prick? It takes all kinds. You are not better than a DS person. You might think you are but you ain't.
When did I ever say I was better than anyone?
I asked why would anyone want a child with birth defects.
If there is an option for early genetic testing then why not get tested and see if a child will be healthy? And if it won't be healthy, why not terminate as early as possible?
These are people, not "mistakes"
These are people, not "mistakes"
Amazing that so many people don't realize that, EZ.
I could go on for hours with stories about comments people made to my parents about me in my youth.... "Oh, it must be so terrible having a child like that." "Don't you wonder what you did that God is punishing you like that?" etc....
Even many of the people in the same boat. My mother at one time looked at joining one of the support groups for parents with SW children. She read one of their publications and decided she didn't want anything to do with the group. It was entirely a bunch of people with the "woe is me" attitude about how terrible their life was because of their child. That wasn't her or my father's viewpoint on it at all.
I agree. I have a cousin who was born blind due to a birth defect. His parents never put restrictions on him and gave him a great deal of support and encouragement while he was growing up. He always enjoyed participating in the Special Olympics as a runner and was totally into health and fitness.
Grew up to be a therapist and now owns his own fitness and wellness business. I'm not sure why society wants to write off people like this due to a physical defect?
These are people, not "mistakes"
Why would anyone want a child that would grow up to be a prick? It takes all kinds. You are not better than a DS person. You might think you are but you ain't.
When did I ever say I was better than anyone?
I asked why would anyone want a child with birth defects.
If there is an option for early genetic testing then why not get tested and see if a child will be healthy? And if it won't be healthy, why not terminate as early as possible?
Why not? Because it's a human being.... who knows what that human being will achieve once it comes into the world. I dislike this obsession with 'perfect', I like flaws. Flaws make us human.
I don't consider DS to be 'defective', it is just different. There is nothing bad about different. Perhaps because I actually know DS people, that I am more informed as to what DS means. To me, they are just people.
