Blind faith in the Oligarchy is not patriotism

[Si modo]

Most people are "hot" about fixing healthcare because they wanted reforms to the system that would bring down costs. Instead they got Obamacare which will increase the cost of healthcare while lowering the quality of the care we receive.

Actually Obamacare will increase the costs of healthcare only for people that already had it. Sounds to me like this is the argument that 'nothing should change with healthcare because ill never see a doctor!'

Which is really saying 'I dont want to change healthcare because there isnt enough to go around and currently im recieving it'.

What a sad point of view, and we wonder why the muslims hate us.

Now im probably one of the strictest conservatives on this board, and I say we need to let health care return to the true market values by removing government tampering mechanisims and promoting hospital use of liability waivers on patients. That will lower healthcare costs rather quickly to what people can actually afford. If there is more demand then there is services then its time for investors to build more hospitals. This stuff is not rocket science, it just gets complicated when government starts throwing money at problems.

what the fuck do 'Muslims' have to do with the healthcare debate?

Answer... nothing. You're losing it.

SPELL CHECK

It's like watching Shaman on a B&W TV.

 

[peach174]

I find it very sad that I can place a well thought out artical that is nothing but honest and worth talking about and the only response I get is from one guy who doesn't even address the artical, instead makes a quick smart ass comment about the title.

Or I can start a thread with little to no thought behind it but make it left leaning at all and bam! 7 pages of insults and flat out stupid responses.

I think it shows the average IQ's of most of the 'regular posters' here.

And for the record, 200 years is nothing. China culture is over 5,000 years old. To suggest that we are the most successfull country in the world is a bit of an overstatement. Just because we hit a couple of technology leaps doesnt guarentee our position in the future.

One of those technological leaps was the invention of SPELL CHECK. You should consider it when you write these condescending posts of yours. You might seem less pretentious.

Conservative with regards to your signature and reapealing of obamacare. What plan do you support to replace obamacare with, or do you just want to take things back to the problems that we had before an attempt at fixing healthcare.

Most people are all hot about repealling Obamacare, but zilch so far as a reasonable alternative.

The majority of us wanted what Congress has.
Congress has an excellent health care plan.
We also wanted tort reform. The ability to keep your health care when you moved or changed your job.

 

[WatertheTree]

What, then, is the basis of all this? What has the United States actually been doing in the Middle East in the recent past?

• the shooting down of two Libyan planes in 1981

• the bombing of Lebanon in 1983 and 1984

• the bombing of Libya in 1986

• the bombing and sinking of an Iranian ship in 1987

• the shooting down of an Iranian passenger plane in 1988

• the shooting down of two more Libyan planes in 1989

• the massive bombing of the Iraqi people in 1991

• the continuing bombings and draconian sanctions against Iraq for the next 12 years

• the bombing of Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998

• the habitual support of Israel despite the routine devastation and torture it inflicts upon the Palestinian people

• the habitual condemnation of Palestinian resistance to this

• the abduction of “suspected terrorists” from Muslim countries, such as Malaysia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Albania, who were then taken to places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, where they were tortured

• the large military and hi-tech presence in Islam’s holiest land, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere in the Persian Gulf region

• the support of numerous undemocratic, authoritarian Middle East governments from the Shah of Iran to Mubarak of Egypt to the Saudi royal family

• the invasion, bombing and occupation of Afghanistan, 2001 to the present, and Iraq, 2003 to the present

• the bombings and continuous firing of missiles to assassinate individuals in Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, and Libya during the period of 2006-2011

It can’t be repeated or emphasized enough. The biggest lie of the “war on terrorism”, although weakening, is that the targets of America’s attacks have an irrational hatred of the United States and its way of life, based on religious and cultural misunderstandings and envy....

The crime of making Americans aware of their own history | Foreign Policy Journal

Time to air the dirty laundry.

Never mind the fact that this is about Jihadist's who want to take over the world and impose their very strict misinterpreted Islamic ideology and want Sharia law all around the world.
Who will kill anyone who will not conform to their laws.
This includes Jews, Christians and Muslims who will not accept there laws.

Would the Jihadist's want to 'take over the world' etc... if we were not doing the above???

We can aswer that question by looking at the rates of suicide bombings in Iraq. Since the withdraw of our troops began there is a clear and steady decline in the rate of suicide bombings. Before our occupation of Iraq began there was 0 suicide bombings in that country.

Clearly United States aggression fuels the hatred towards us.

 

[Oldstyle]

Conservative with regards to your signature and reapealing of obamacare. What plan do you support to replace obamacare with, or do you just want to take things back to the problems that we had before an attempt at fixing healthcare.

Most people are all hot about repealling Obamacare, but zilch so far as a reasonable alternative.

Most people are "hot" about fixing healthcare because they wanted reforms to the system that would bring down costs. Instead they got Obamacare which will increase the cost of healthcare while lowering the quality of the care we receive.

Actually Obamacare will increase the costs of healthcare only for people that already had it. Sounds to me like this is the argument that 'nothing should change with healthcare because ill never see a doctor!'

Which is really saying 'I dont want to change healthcare because there isnt enough to go around and currently im recieving it'.

What a sad point of view, and we wonder why the muslims hate us.

Now im probably one of the strictest conservatives on this board, and I say we need to let health care return to the true market values by removing government tampering mechanisims and promoting hospital use of liability waivers on patients. That will lower healthcare costs rather quickly to what people can actually afford. If there is more demand then there is services then its time for investors to build more hospitals. This stuff is not rocket science, it just gets complicated when government starts throwing money at problems.

The Muslims hate us because of our health care system? What are you smoking this morning, Water?

Look, what Americans overwhelmingly wanted was health care reform to lower their costs. Obamacare didn't even address costs...it was just a first step towards socialized medicine in the US. Now the people that actually foot the bill in this country will be paying more for health care and what they receive is about to be seriously downgraded. THAT is why they hate Obamacare.

 

[Si modo]

The crime of making Americans aware of their own history | Foreign Policy Journal

Time to air the dirty laundry.

Never mind the fact that this is about Jihadist's who want to take over the world and impose their very strict misinterpreted Islamic ideology and want Sharia law all around the world.
Who will kill anyone who will not conform to their laws.
This includes Jews, Christians and Muslims who will not accept there laws.

Would the Jihadist's want to 'take over the world' etc... if we were not doing the above???

We can aswer that question by looking at the rates of suicide bombings in Iraq. Since the withdraw of our troops began there is a clear and steady decline in the rate of suicide bombings. Before our occupation of Iraq began there was 0 suicide bombings in that country.

Clearly United States aggression fuels the hatred towards us.

Hey, hysterical-boy, why don't you provide a link for that. M'K?

Pulling stats out of your ass is not going to win arguments.

 

[WatertheTree]

One of those technological leaps was the invention of SPELL CHECK. You should consider it when you write these condescending posts of yours. You might seem less pretentious.

Conservative with regards to your signature and reapealing of obamacare. What plan do you support to replace obamacare with, or do you just want to take things back to the problems that we had before an attempt at fixing healthcare.

Most people are all hot about repealling Obamacare, but zilch so far as a reasonable alternative.

The majority of us wanted what Congress has.
Congress has an excellent health care plan.
We also wanted tort reform. The ability to keep your health care when you moved or changed your job.

No sir, the majority of us does not want tort reform. Atleast people who know what tort reform is. (erosion of civil liberties and dismissal of the bill of rights)

I agree, congress does have an excellent health care plan, and every citizen should enjoy the same.

 

[Si modo]

Conservative with regards to your signature and reapealing of obamacare. What plan do you support to replace obamacare with, or do you just want to take things back to the problems that we had before an attempt at fixing healthcare.

Most people are all hot about repealling Obamacare, but zilch so far as a reasonable alternative.

The majority of us wanted what Congress has.
Congress has an excellent health care plan.
We also wanted tort reform. The ability to keep your health care when you moved or changed your job.

No sir, the majority of us does not want tort reform. Atleast people who know what tort reform is. (erosion of civil liberties and dismissal of the bill of rights)

I agree, congress does have an excellent health care plan, and every citizen should enjoy the same.

So, it's cool to continue to line the pockets of litigation attorneys.

Alllllllllrighty, then.

 

[Rocko]

Most people are "hot" about fixing healthcare because they wanted reforms to the system that would bring down costs. Instead they got Obamacare which will increase the cost of healthcare while lowering the quality of the care we receive.

Actually Obamacare will increase the costs of healthcare only for people that already had it. Sounds to me like this is the argument that 'nothing should change with healthcare because ill never see a doctor!'

Which is really saying 'I dont want to change healthcare because there isnt enough to go around and currently im recieving it'.

What a sad point of view, and we wonder why the muslims hate us.

Now im probably one of the strictest conservatives on this board, and I say we need to let health care return to the true market values by removing government tampering mechanisims and promoting hospital use of liability waivers on patients. That will lower healthcare costs rather quickly to what people can actually afford. If there is more demand then there is services then its time for investors to build more hospitals. This stuff is not rocket science, it just gets complicated when government starts throwing money at problems.

what the fuck do 'Muslims' have to do with the healthcare debate?

Answer... nothing. You're losing it.

SPELL CHECK

Didn't you know the Taliban had the best health care system in the world?

WTT is right no wonder muslims hate us.

 

[Full-Auto]

What does get government out of the way mean?

6 words does not touch this problem.

Your insurance must pay by mandate many things that should be personal responsibility.

Womens contraceptives is the first to come to mind. Government paying for viagra comes in right behind that. These are just two very simple things in something very complex.

Do you think insurance would be cheaper if you had to pay for your doctor visit? Would you now go to the doctor for every hang nail or sniffles.

Well thats a silly question. We already know it would be cheaper. Thats why the market has provided different services for different prices. You can go buy that cheaper insurance right now.

Womens contraceptives will continue to be paid for by the government because of population control and the sound rejection of abortion by the population. I dont see to many people running around these days promoting an increase in the population.

Why are you making excuses for personal responsibility? How many employers offer catastrophic insurance as a choice. Does catastrophic insurance meet the federal requirements of coverage?

If you didnt like the answer, you didnt like it.

You seem the type ready to surrender. NEED A WHITE FLAG?

 

[Oldstyle]

And making a list of military actions that the US has taken over the past twenty years while totally ignoring the events that prompted most of those responses isn't going to fool anyone into thinking the US is the instigator in the Middle East. Would you like me to compile a list of that attacks that the other side has made? That list would take hours to read and you know it.

 

[Bfgrn]

One of those technological leaps was the invention of SPELL CHECK. You should consider it when you write these condescending posts of yours. You might seem less pretentious.

Conservative with regards to your signature and reapealing of obamacare. What plan do you support to replace obamacare with, or do you just want to take things back to the problems that we had before an attempt at fixing healthcare.

Most people are all hot about repealling Obamacare, but zilch so far as a reasonable alternative.

I'm perfectly happy with Ryan's alternative.

Also, you REALLY do need SPELL CHECK. If you want to be taken seriously on this board, spelling the same word incorrectly, twice, in different ways, in one post is simply not going to endear you to your fellow posters.

Spell check your phrase for the day:

anal retentive

 

[peach174]

Conservative with regards to your signature and reapealing of obamacare. What plan do you support to replace obamacare with, or do you just want to take things back to the problems that we had before an attempt at fixing healthcare.

Most people are all hot about repealling Obamacare, but zilch so far as a reasonable alternative.

The majority of us wanted what Congress has.
Congress has an excellent health care plan.
We also wanted tort reform. The ability to keep your health care when you moved or changed your job.

No sir, the majority of us does not want tort reform. Atleast people who know what tort reform is. (erosion of civil liberties and dismissal of the bill of rights)

I agree, congress does have an excellent health care plan, and every citizen should enjoy the same.

Tort is part of why the cost in health care is so high. When you have to do continual unnecessary tests to cover the possible law suits and the cost of the insurance that the Dr.'s have to pay. This is why so many Dr.s got out of being General Practitioners and went into specialty's.

 

[Ernie S.]

You want some Blind Faith? Here ya go[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUW1SGF7bR8&noredirect=1]Blind Faith - Can't Find My Way Home - 1969 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[WatertheTree]

Most people are "hot" about fixing healthcare because they wanted reforms to the system that would bring down costs. Instead they got Obamacare which will increase the cost of healthcare while lowering the quality of the care we receive.

Actually Obamacare will increase the costs of healthcare only for people that already had it. Sounds to me like this is the argument that 'nothing should change with healthcare because ill never see a doctor!'

Which is really saying 'I dont want to change healthcare because there isnt enough to go around and currently im recieving it'.

What a sad point of view, and we wonder why the muslims hate us.

Now im probably one of the strictest conservatives on this board, and I say we need to let health care return to the true market values by removing government tampering mechanisims and promoting hospital use of liability waivers on patients. That will lower healthcare costs rather quickly to what people can actually afford. If there is more demand then there is services then its time for investors to build more hospitals. This stuff is not rocket science, it just gets complicated when government starts throwing money at problems.

The Muslims hate us because of our health care system? What are you smoking this morning, Water?

Look, what Americans overwhelmingly wanted was health care reform to lower their costs. Obamacare didn't even address costs...it was just a first step towards socialized medicine in the US. Now the people that actually foot the bill in this country will be paying more for health care and what they receive is about to be seriously downgraded. THAT is why they hate Obamacare.

No they hate us because of this attitude people in power here have that one person is better then another person. The promotion of inequality is thier bone. Which is justified because clearly if they were not to stand up for themselves then western power would strip the entire middle east of all natural resources and leave the populations penniless. The Palestinian genocide would accelerate and isreal would be 'liberated' in a part of the world it doesnt belong. And we would have corporate lap dog dictators running every country.

I say the muslims are fighting for the same things we fought england for.

With Regards to the Ryan Health care plan, I think its a tiny step in the right direction, but no cigar. Instead of doing away with the bureaucracy he wants to change it. Instead of being concerned about the well being of the population he is concerned about he well being of insurance companies. (same as Obama, force people on government assistance to go buy private health insurance, this time on the governments tab)

I love how most 'conservatives' are always offering plans that SPEND MONEY and that are socialist to the core. Im sick and tired of the transfer of wealth system I am forced at gunpoint to participate in.

 

[Si modo]

Actually Obamacare will increase the costs of healthcare only for people that already had it. Sounds to me like this is the argument that 'nothing should change with healthcare because ill never see a doctor!'

Which is really saying 'I dont want to change healthcare because there isnt enough to go around and currently im recieving it'.

What a sad point of view, and we wonder why the muslims hate us.

Now im probably one of the strictest conservatives on this board, and I say we need to let health care return to the true market values by removing government tampering mechanisims and promoting hospital use of liability waivers on patients. That will lower healthcare costs rather quickly to what people can actually afford. If there is more demand then there is services then its time for investors to build more hospitals. This stuff is not rocket science, it just gets complicated when government starts throwing money at problems.

The Muslims hate us because of our health care system? What are you smoking this morning, Water?

Look, what Americans overwhelmingly wanted was health care reform to lower their costs. Obamacare didn't even address costs...it was just a first step towards socialized medicine in the US. Now the people that actually foot the bill in this country will be paying more for health care and what they receive is about to be seriously downgraded. THAT is why they hate Obamacare.

No they hate us because of this attitude people in power here have that one person is better then another person. The promotion of inequality is thier bone. Which is justified because clearly if they were not to stand up for themselves then western power would strip the entire middle east of all natural resources and leave the populations penniless. The Palestinian genocide would accelerate and isreal would be 'liberated' in a part of the world it doesnt belong. And we would have corporate lap dog dictators running every country.

I say the muslims are fighting for the same things we fought england for.

With Regards to the Ryan Health care plan, I think its a tiny step in the right direction, but no cigar. Instead of doing away with the bureaucracy he wants to change it. Instead of being concerned about the well being of the population he is concerned about he well being of insurance companies. (same as Obama, force people on government assistance to go buy private health insurance, this time on the governments tab)

I love how most 'conservatives' are always offering plans that SPEND MONEY and that are socialist to the core. Im sick and tired of the transfer of wealth system I am forced at gunpoint to participate in.

That is just too funny.

 

[Rocko]

Actually Obamacare will increase the costs of healthcare only for people that already had it. Sounds to me like this is the argument that 'nothing should change with healthcare because ill never see a doctor!'

Which is really saying 'I dont want to change healthcare because there isnt enough to go around and currently im recieving it'.

What a sad point of view, and we wonder why the muslims hate us.

Now im probably one of the strictest conservatives on this board, and I say we need to let health care return to the true market values by removing government tampering mechanisims and promoting hospital use of liability waivers on patients. That will lower healthcare costs rather quickly to what people can actually afford. If there is more demand then there is services then its time for investors to build more hospitals. This stuff is not rocket science, it just gets complicated when government starts throwing money at problems.

The Muslims hate us because of our health care system? What are you smoking this morning, Water?

Look, what Americans overwhelmingly wanted was health care reform to lower their costs. Obamacare didn't even address costs...it was just a first step towards socialized medicine in the US. Now the people that actually foot the bill in this country will be paying more for health care and what they receive is about to be seriously downgraded. THAT is why they hate Obamacare.

No they hate us because of this attitude people in power here have that one person is better then another person. The promotion of inequality is thier bone. Which is justified because clearly if they were not to stand up for themselves then western power would strip the entire middle east of all natural resources and leave the populations penniless. The Palestinian genocide would accelerate and isreal would be 'liberated' in a part of the world it doesnt belong. And we would have corporate lap dog dictators running every country.

I say the muslims are fighting for the same things we fought england for.

With Regards to the Ryan Health care plan, I think its a tiny step in the right direction, but no cigar. Instead of doing away with the bureaucracy he wants to change it. Instead of being concerned about the well being of the population he is concerned about he well being of insurance companies. (same as Obama, force people on government assistance to go buy private health insurance, this time on the governments tab)

I love how most 'conservatives' are always offering plans that SPEND MONEY and that are socialist to the core. Im sick and tired of the transfer of wealth system I am forced at gunpoint to participate in.

that was deep

 

[Conservative]

The Muslims hate us because of our health care system? What are you smoking this morning, Water?

Look, what Americans overwhelmingly wanted was health care reform to lower their costs. Obamacare didn't even address costs...it was just a first step towards socialized medicine in the US. Now the people that actually foot the bill in this country will be paying more for health care and what they receive is about to be seriously downgraded. THAT is why they hate Obamacare.

No they hate us because of this attitude people in power here have that one person is better then another person. The promotion of inequality is thier bone. Which is justified because clearly if they were not to stand up for themselves then western power would strip the entire middle east of all natural resources and leave the populations penniless. The Palestinian genocide would accelerate and isreal would be 'liberated' in a part of the world it doesnt belong. And we would have corporate lap dog dictators running every country.

I say the muslims are fighting for the same things we fought england for.

With Regards to the Ryan Health care plan, I think its a tiny step in the right direction, but no cigar. Instead of doing away with the bureaucracy he wants to change it. Instead of being concerned about the well being of the population he is concerned about he well being of insurance companies. (same as Obama, force people on government assistance to go buy private health insurance, this time on the governments tab)

I love how most 'conservatives' are always offering plans that SPEND MONEY and that are socialist to the core. Im sick and tired of the transfer of wealth system I am forced at gunpoint to participate in.

that was deep

a deep pile of something, anyway.

 

[WatertheTree]

The majority of us wanted what Congress has.
Congress has an excellent health care plan.
We also wanted tort reform. The ability to keep your health care when you moved or changed your job.

No sir, the majority of us does not want tort reform. Atleast people who know what tort reform is. (erosion of civil liberties and dismissal of the bill of rights)

I agree, congress does have an excellent health care plan, and every citizen should enjoy the same.

Tort is part of why the cost in health care is so high. When you have to do continual unnecessary tests to cover the possible law suits and the cost of the insurance that the Dr.'s have to pay. This is why so many Dr.s got out of being General Practitioners and went into specialty's.

So instead of liability waivers (a simple signature of consumers when they arrive for services) you advocate a federal mandate and special privileges for certain individuals that gives them freedom from restitution and nullifys any consequences for substandard services or blunders.

Im sorry but in a free country the population has the right to due process. If we are wronged we have the right for a jury of our peers to sort out the mess, not for government mandate. Do you even like freedom??

This idea that we can solve the burocracy with more burocracy must come to an end. People demand freedom and we will get it. Its the hospitals choice not to have liability waivers and cheaper prices. Its the consumers choice to pay more for guarantee's. It most certianly is not the governments role to decide matters of civil nature via blanket mandate. This is the kind of shit a fucking king would decree.

Nothing will get better untill things get worse enough for average people to start paying attention, educating themselves, using critical thinking skills, and taking an active role in democracy.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Blind faith in the Oligarchy is not patriotism

Ya' gotta understand.

Teabaggers have spent a LIFEtime making-every-effort to hang-out with the rich-kid....as-if it would boost the Teabaggers' personal-stock. (Can you imagine such desperation?)

Presently, they (actually) believe the 1%ers/high-roller$ will allow the Teabaggers' entry into the 1%ers/high-roller$ private-little-club.

I'm guessin' most Teabaggers are huge fans o'.......

 

[Dot Com]

Yay! Mob rule!

Yeah, that's smart.

Good point. I don't much care for the t- party either