Blaming Tea Party for S&P downgrade is like blaming Betty Ford Clinic for alcoholism

[teapartysamurai]

If the dems were so concerned why didt they raise taxes when they had control??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Because they never really controlled Congress. Not only do they need a majority in the House but also 60 seat in the Senate for control. The Democrats never had 60 seats in the Senate. Furthermore ever heard of the Blue Dog Democrats and what they stand for?

58 democrats and 2 liberal independents....for all intents and purpose you had 60 in the senate.

If you could shove obamacare down everone's throat, raising taxes would have been a day at Disneyland.
The Tea Party isn't to blame, it's all the politicians over the last decade who is to blame. They just couldn't stop using the credit card that had no credit limit. So stop your damn finger pointing.

Way to knock it out of the park!

 

[Modbert]

58 democrats and 2 liberal independents....for all intents and purpose you had 60 in the senate.

Did you just call Joe Lieberman a Liberal?

The same guy who strongly supports the Death Penalty and is one of the biggest advocates for the War in Iraq? The same guy who would likely want to see video games banned? The same guy who's not in favor of Gay Marriage? The same guy who supported DOMA and DADT originally? The same guy who was against a public option? The same guy who wants to criminalize flag desecration. The same guy who is one of the biggest defense hawks in Congress?

You gotta be kidding me.

Political positions of Joe Lieberman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Meister]

58 democrats and 2 liberal independents....for all intents and purpose you had 60 in the senate.

Did you just call Joe Lieberman a Liberal?

The same guy who strongly supports the Death Penalty and is one of the biggest advocates for the War in Iraq? The same guy who would likely want to see video games banned? The same guy who's not in favor of Gay Marriage? The same guy who supported DOMA and DADT originally? The same guy who was against a public option? The same guy who wants to criminalize flag desecration. The same guy who is one of the biggest defense hawks in Congress?

You gotta be kidding me.

Political positions of Joe Lieberman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When Lieberman caucused and voted along with democrats over 90% of the time then yes, I do call him a liberal. I know he's not liberal enough for you, but few are liberal enough for you, Modbert.

 

[Modbert]

When Lieberman caucused and voted along with democrats over 90% of the time then yes, I do call him a liberal. I know he's no liberal enough for you, but few are liberal enough for you, Modbert.

You're making the assumption it seems that the Democrats as a whole are Liberal. Just because it's a Democrat vote doesn't necessarily mean it's a Liberal vote.

Got a link to where he caucuses with the Democrats over 90% of the time?

 

[Meister]

When Lieberman caucused and voted along with democrats over 90% of the time then yes, I do call him a liberal. I know he's no liberal enough for you, but few are liberal enough for you, Modbert.

You're making the assumption it seems that the Democrats as a whole are Liberal. Just because it's a Democrat vote doesn't necessarily mean it's a Liberal vote.

Got a link to where he caucuses with the Democrats over 90% of the time?

Too easy, Modbert. I hope you accept the NY Times site as authentic....I mean it's not "Faux News".

Lieberman votes with the Democrats 90 percent of the time, but he has always been a Scoop Jackson Democrat who early on broke with his party on defense issues. In the 1990s, he challenged party orthodoxy on school choice, entitlement reform and the place of religion in public life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/opinion/21brooks.html

 

[Meister]

When Lieberman caucused and voted along with democrats over 90% of the time then yes, I do call him a liberal. I know he's no liberal enough for you, but few are liberal enough for you, Modbert.

You're making the assumption it seems that the Democrats as a whole are Liberal. Just because it's a Democrat vote doesn't necessarily mean it's a Liberal vote.

Got a link to where he caucuses with the Democrats over 90% of the time?

Oh...side note....there are enough liberal democrats who shoved obamacare down our throats, so......if the shoe fits, wear it.

 

[Modbert]

Oh...side note....there are enough liberal democrats who shoved obamacare down our throats, so......if the shoe fits, wear it.

Obamacare wasn't what the Liberal Democrats proposed.

There was a little thing called the public option that the Liberals wanted which was not even put on the table at any point in time.

 

[Meister]

Oh...side note....there are enough liberal democrats who shoved obamacare down our throats, so......if the shoe fits, wear it.

Obamacare wasn't what the Liberal Democrats proposed.

There was a little thing called the public option that the Liberals wanted which was not even put on the table at any point in time.

It WAS the liberals who wanted obamacare, Mod. Yes, it didn't go far enough for the socialists, but apparently it went far enough for the liberals because they passed it.

I hope you concede that Lieberman votes with the democrats 90% of the time.

 

[teapartysamurai]

58 democrats and 2 liberal independents....for all intents and purpose you had 60 in the senate.

Did you just call Joe Lieberman a Liberal?

The same guy who strongly supports the Death Penalty and is one of the biggest advocates for the War in Iraq? The same guy who would likely want to see video games banned? The same guy who's not in favor of Gay Marriage? The same guy who supported DOMA and DADT originally? The same guy who was against a public option? The same guy who wants to criminalize flag desecration. The same guy who is one of the biggest defense hawks in Congress?

You gotta be kidding me.

Political positions of Joe Lieberman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lieberman is a liberal. Daschle was pro-life. So was Gore until he found out abandoning it could get him the VP spot.

Just because he doesn't follow blindly doesn't much. He's hardly conservative.

He's still for high taxes and spending.

 

[teapartysamurai]

When Lieberman caucused and voted along with democrats over 90% of the time then yes, I do call him a liberal. I know he's no liberal enough for you, but few are liberal enough for you, Modbert.

You're making the assumption it seems that the Democrats as a whole are Liberal. Just because it's a Democrat vote doesn't necessarily mean it's a Liberal vote.

Got a link to where he caucuses with the Democrats over 90% of the time?

This is like Bass claiming that only conservatives aren't objective.

You just can't see what we see from the outside.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Oh...side note....there are enough liberal democrats who shoved obamacare down our throats, so......if the shoe fits, wear it.

Obamacare wasn't what the Liberal Democrats proposed.

There was a little thing called the public option that the Liberals wanted which was not even put on the table at any point in time.

Oh nice damn try.

IN OTHER WORDS, because you guys didn't get the whole enchilada in one fell swoop it isn't liberal????????

Liberals move in increments. If the can't get it in one vote they will try again.

Just because you are in denial, please don't expect the rest of us to follow you.

 

[Modbert]

It WAS the liberals who wanted obamacare, Mod. Yes, it didn't go far enough for the socialists, but apparently it went far enough for the liberals because they passed it.

I hope you concede that Lieberman votes with the democrats 90% of the time.

I'm still waiting for the link that Lieberman votes with the Democrats 90% of the time.

Furthermore, Liberals were the ones who wanted the public option. But we can go back and forth all day about that.

Point is that Lieberman is not a Liberal. He's even considered becoming a Republican at any times considering how often he caucuses with them.

 

[Meister]

It WAS the liberals who wanted obamacare, Mod. Yes, it didn't go far enough for the socialists, but apparently it went far enough for the liberals because they passed it.

I hope you concede that Lieberman votes with the democrats 90% of the time.

I'm still waiting for the link that Lieberman votes with the Democrats 90% of the time.

Furthermore, Liberals were the ones who wanted the public option. But we can go back and forth all day about that.

Point is that Lieberman is not a Liberal. He's even considered becoming a Republican at any times considering how often he caucuses with them.

Look at the last post on page 3, Mod....got it for you.

Show me a link where he's caucused with the repubs. and considered becoming a repub?

 

[Wacky Quacky]

Inept?

It's generally a bill that consists of one piece of paper.

The Tea Party chose to make this an issue about future spending.

Well, okay..if they are so concern about the debt..why no tax increases?

Cutting spending is just as bad as increasing taxes during a recovery.

And they don't seem to have a problem with cutting spending.

Because thats the root of the problem,SPENDING!!!

This not hard.Its a spending problem not a revenue problem.
will it be an easy pain free repair?? nope its going to be painful,for many,its unavoidable.
but blaming it on the group that the very least to do will bring us to where we are is well just stupid.

S&P Downgraded the US mostly because of the political theatrics, not the debt or deficit. S&P spelled out why they did what they did and it wasn't because of spending.

I hope all the tea-wonkers get voted out in 2012.

You're exactly right, they did it because of the political theater, because BOTH SIDES were acting like fucking children. BOTH SIDES!

I hope BOTH SIDES get voted out 2012.

And on another note, the Tea Party could not have created this crisis out of thin air. There needed to be something there as a base for them to go on. That something being a massive unsustainable trend in debt spending created by BOTH SIDES over the past 30 or so years.

 

[teapartysamurai]

It WAS the liberals who wanted obamacare, Mod. Yes, it didn't go far enough for the socialists, but apparently it went far enough for the liberals because they passed it.

I hope you concede that Lieberman votes with the democrats 90% of the time.

I'm still waiting for the link that Lieberman votes with the Democrats 90% of the time.

Furthermore, Liberals were the ones who wanted the public option. But we can go back and forth all day about that.

Point is that Lieberman is not a Liberal. He's even considered becoming a Republican at any times considering how often he caucuses with them.

Yeah, that's why he was GORE'S VP, because he's such a Republican!

Delusional!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Because thats the root of the problem,SPENDING!!!

This not hard.Its a spending problem not a revenue problem.
will it be an easy pain free repair?? nope its going to be painful,for many,its unavoidable.
but blaming it on the group that the very least to do will bring us to where we are is well just stupid.

S&P Downgraded the US mostly because of the political theatrics, not the debt or deficit. S&P spelled out why they did what they did and it wasn't because of spending.

I hope all the tea-wonkers get voted out in 2012.

You're exactly right, they did it because of the political theater, because BOTH SIDES were acting like fucking children. BOTH SIDES!

I hope BOTH SIDES get voted out 2012.

And on another note, the Tea Party could not have created this crisis out of thin air. There needed to be something there as a base for them to go on. That something being a massive unsustainable trend in debt spending created by BOTH SIDES over the past 30 or so years.

That is COMPLETE BS. As I already posted, political theater is nothing new to the budget, and I posted videos of the Democrats doing the same thing in 2005/6.

Nice try libs, but you are just trying to give cover to your bad president.

This downgrade happened because of Obama's OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Aw liberals can't take it when the truth hits them!

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[Stephanie]

LOL, because some article in the Washinton Compost says things with not a shred of evidence to back anything up. we are just suppose to take their word on it..

 

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[Stephanie]

LOL, because some article in the Washinton Compost says things with not a shred of evidence to back anything up. we are just suppose to take their word on it..

direct quotes you stupid fuck, but who cares, you have trouble coloring within the lines. you think its some evil liberal plot to control you.

SURE direct quotes..