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I truly liked Buckley, but he is wrong on this. Frank, provide the link for this, please, so we can make sure you are not lying again.
I truly liked Buckley, but he is wrong on this. Frank, provide the link for this, please, so we can make sure you are not lying again.
William F. Buckley Jr. on Edward R. Murrow, Sen. Joe McCarthy, and Good Night, and Good Luck on National Review Online
" He made the point that there wasn’t anybody in the world you couldn’t demolish by doing to him what Murrow did to McCarthy. If there were five million feet of film on St. Francis of Assisi, you could probably find a shot of him running away naked from his father’s house (he did), and Ed Murrow could prove he was an exhibitionist and a poseur (he affected to talk to the birds!)."
That help any, Jakey?
I truly liked Buckley, but he is wrong on this. Frank, provide the link for this, please, so we can make sure you are not lying again.
William F. Buckley Jr. on Edward R. Murrow, Sen. Joe McCarthy, and Good Night, and Good Luck on National Review Online
" He made the point that there wasnt anybody in the world you couldnt demolish by doing to him what Murrow did to McCarthy. If there were five million feet of film on St. Francis of Assisi, you could probably find a shot of him running away naked from his fathers house (he did), and Ed Murrow could prove he was an exhibitionist and a poseur (he affected to talk to the birds!)."
That help any, Jakey?
It does. Thanks for the cite. "If that happens, Ill probably say what is correct, namely that my own study of McCarthy ended with his activity in September 1953, that his fight with the Army, which was what the fracas was about in 1954 which got him censured, and which loosed Edward R. Murrow was something else, that McCarthy had thrown restraint to one side, that he was deep in booze in those days and did some flatly inexcusable things, for instance his attack on General Ralph Zwicker. "
"But, if pressed, Id have recalled that the current movie makes a heroine out of Annie Lee Moss, the black code clerk allegedly mistaken by McCarthy for another Annie Lee Moss, who was indeed a member of the Communist Party. Never mind, what mattered in the current production was melodrama, and orderly thought bars chiasmic effects: McCarthy smeared the opposition/The opposition smeared McCarthy."
Does that help focus Buckley better of Joe McCarthy, Frank?
Since McCarthy is being sited again by Progressives its time to revisit how correct he was in his warning that key people at State and the White House were Communist spies
Since McCarthy is being sited again by Progressives its time to revisit how correct he was in his warning that key people at State and the White House were Communist spies
Are they moving his grave?
"my own study of McCarthy ended with his activity in September 1953 [...] his fight with the Army, which was what the fracas was about in 1954 which got him censured[/I][/B]"
"the current movie makes a heroine out of Annie Lee Moss, the black code clerk allegedly mistaken by McCarthy for another Annie Lee Moss, who was indeed a member of the Communist Party."[/I][/B]
Since McCarthy is being sited again by Progressives its time to revisit how correct he was in his warning that key people at State and the White House were Communist spies
Are they moving his grave?
"my own study of McCarthy ended with his activity in September 1953 [...] his fight with the Army, which was what the fracas was about in 1954 which got him censured[/I][/B]"
Since Buckley admitted that his study of McCarthy ended in 1953, it's understandable that he was somewhat fuzzy on the events of '54. What got McCarthy censured was not the Army's charges, which were found by the Mundt panel to be baseless, but his refusal to cooperate with the Gillette committee, a completely separate matter.
"the current movie makes a heroine out of Annie Lee Moss, the black code clerk allegedly mistaken by McCarthy for another Annie Lee Moss, who was indeed a member of the Communist Party."[/I][/B]
It should perhaps be noted that this mistaken-identity thesis, floated by Senate Democrats, trumpeted by Murrow, and regurgitated by Clooney, was phony from the get-go. As the Subversive Activities Control Board revealed in 1958 (once McCarthy was safely dead), the Pentagon code clerk Annie Lee Moss was indeed a member of the Communist Party of Washington, DC, just as FBI undercover operative Mary Markward had testified before the McCarthy subcommittee. But Senate Democrats were perfectly aware of this while they were playing the mistaken-identity gambit, as the FBI had shared a copy of the party's membership roster with Sen Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA). See Blacklisted by History, p. 534, for a photographic reproduction of the FBI report.
Buckley was not confused on the events of 1954, and you are misrepresenting them.
fight with the Army [...] got him censured
The FBI made a report, but no objective confirmation of this thesis of "knowingly" mistaken democrats can be connected to the Senate democrats.
"I then told the Senator that in addition to the Mary Markward testimony, we had secured through confidential sources access to an examination of membership records of the Communist Party of the District of Columbia in May of 1944, that these reflected the name of Annie Lee Moss of 72 R Street."
"Senator Jackson stated that this certainly was enough for him and that there could be no doubt about Annie Lee Moss's Communist Party affiliations."
SYMINGTON: Do you know anybody else in this town named Moss? Have you ever looked up a telephone number -- are there any Mosses in Washington besides you?
MOSS: Yes, sir, there are three Annie Lee Mosses.
JACKSON: Will you state that again?
MOSS: There were three Annie Lee Mosses.
Show us where the Senate "democrats" had been notified of the report.
Show us where Jackson "knew better."
That is no proof of anything. No "proof" exists of Jackson knowing better. Nothing, period.
So let's try again.
Show us where the Senate "democrats" had been notified of the report. Show us where Jackson "knew better."
You are lacking big time.
Show us where the Senate "democrats" had been notified of the report.
Jackson was the junior Democrat on the McCarthy subcommittee. He was delegated by the minority to be briefed by the FBI on behalf of subcommittee Democrats. Either he shared this information with McClellan and Symington, or he withheld it. Neither option makes Jackson look very good. But for anyone familiar with the Senate, your implication that Jackson withheld this information from fellow Democrats on the subcommittee strains credibility. Yet if true, it makes Jackson look even worse.
Show us where Jackson "knew better."
Jackson was informed by the FBI that the Communist Party of Washington, DC had listed Annie Lee Moss not just as a member, and subscriber to the Daily Worker, but as a Group Captain for registration. He was also informed that her address was "72 R Street," the same address Moss later testified was her own.
Jackson himself declared the information he obtained from the FBI to be convincing. Later, when Moss slipped up and confirmed the address the FBI had given Jackson, there could be no doubt.
It was on the basis of the exact same FBI evidence Jackson had -- and no other -- that the Subversive Activities Control Board found publicly in 1958 that Annie Lee Moss was a Communist Party member.
If you are still able to find reasonable doubt, you are of course entitled to your opinion. Historians who have examined recently available evidence, however, have generally come to the opposite opinion. See, for example, Arthur Herman, Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator, or Andrea Freeman, The Strange Career of Annie Lee Moss: Rethinking Race, Gender, and McCarthyism.
Thank you, Mark, for explaining clearly. I am still not convinced of your overall attempt at rehabilitating JM but this makes one think more about what the Dems were up to.
