Black republicans...who are they really?

[kaz]

Yesterday, a heated "debate" (well, as much of a debate that can be had in this mostly right wing forum) was had about one poster's friend who, as a liberal, spoke about a right wing friend who claimed that a good part of the hatred toward Obama was based on race.

I do NOT believe that opposition toward Obama is wholly based on race.....however, to deny that some racism does not exist toward Obama's presidency, would be equally naive.

So, what would make someone who is black and relatively intelligent, embrace the GOP platform that is often enmeshed in policies that are not for the betterment of the black voting bloc?

I am reminded of a passage in Milton's Paradise Lost where Lucifer explains why he chose to defy God's wishes (and PLEASE, I do not mean even remotely to equate a black republican to the devil......but the analogy is still sound.) ........Anyway, through Milton's prose, Lucifer explains that he would rather be a "king in hell" than just one of many other angel standing beside the throne of God.

What I'm getting at is that for SOME blacks who have chosen to embrace right wing policies may do so because the notoriety gained by such a stance is much more self serving than to be one of the vast majority of blacks who side with the left ideology. In other words, if you want to get on the FOX channels or the Rush radio talk shows, your chances are vastly improved if you claim that you are an arch conservative AND black.

Black Republicans are blacks who are courageous enough to stand up to the racist vitriol of the left who think they must be forced to stay on the Democrat plantation or be destroyed

 

[kaz]

I do NOT believe that opposition toward Obama is wholly based on race.....however, to deny that some racism does not exist toward Obama's presidency, would be equally naive

Treating a black like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Tom Daschle, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton? That is so racist. Blacks are your pets, they can't be treated like they are white, they can't handle that.

You are seriously a racist. Come to terms with your hate

 

[nat4900]

gnorant does not mean stupid. Look it up in the dictionary. Ignorant means uneducated on something.

What party thinks the blacks are too stupid? Who supports affirmative action? Who is constantly whining about the black plight in this country as if they can't participate in achievement and success? What party stated that blacks were too stupid to obtain an ID for voting?

Semantics aside......Whether you want to admit it or not, labeling the vast majority of an American race "ignorant" is tantamount to labeling them stupid.....But, keep digging that hole.

 

[kaz]

gnorant does not mean stupid. Look it up in the dictionary. Ignorant means uneducated on something.

What party thinks the blacks are too stupid? Who supports affirmative action? Who is constantly whining about the black plight in this country as if they can't participate in achievement and success? What party stated that blacks were too stupid to obtain an ID for voting?

Semantics aside......Whether you want to admit it or not, labeling the vast majority of an American race "ignorant" is tantamount to labeling them stupid.....But, keep digging that hole.

Imagine treating a black man like everyone else, that is so racist. Idiot

 

[Wyatt earp]

None of you right wingers have addressed the intent of the O/P....All you've done.....as usual.....is bitched and moaned about Obama ad nauseum......

Get over it......you know, if he could run.....he'd be elected again.

What's to address shit for brains? All you are saying is the left has so many attention whore blacks that some are switching right for publicity..

Which just lowered the bar for your dumb ass theorys.


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[amrchaos]

gnorant does not mean stupid. Look it up in the dictionary. Ignorant means uneducated on something.

What party thinks the blacks are too stupid? Who supports affirmative action? Who is constantly whining about the black plight in this country as if they can't participate in achievement and success? What party stated that blacks were too stupid to obtain an ID for voting?

Semantics aside......Whether you want to admit it or not, labeling the vast majority of an American race "ignorant" is tantamount to labeling them stupid.....But, keep digging that hole.

Something to point out:

Most blacks are social conservatives!

Consider that as you seek an answer

(by the way, blacks that vote Republican are not necessarily doing that to become famous. )

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Semantics aside......Whether you want to admit it or not, labeling the vast majority of an American race "ignorant" is tantamount to labeling them stupid.....But, keep digging that hole.

Careful......careful.....your public education is showing again.

We are all ignorant of something. I'm ignorant at sports even though my city just won the NBA championship. Some are ignorant at home or auto repair. Others may be ignorant to poetry or finances. But we are all ignorant of something.

That being said, politics and issues is generally not a subject blacks are interested in. And by interested, I mean well studied on the subjects.

They are no more "stupid" than anybody else ignorant of other things. People have different interests is all. Exceptions to the rule? Always.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

no. ignorant does not mean stupid. but more often than not there is a link..... as you prove every day.

you should also probably go look up "poll tax" before you spew about people being too "Stupid" to obtain an ID.

you're welcome.

Another ignorant one. Can you please explain the relationship between a poll tax and voter ID? Most states that have Voter ID will provide one for free if you don't have the finances to purchase one. But white liberals are telling us blacks are not smart enough to get an ID. Liberals are the ones saying Voter ID is racist, as if somehow it only affects black people for SOME reason.

 

[nat4900]

(by the way, blacks that vote Republican are not necessarily doing that to become famous. )

Never stated that "blacks who vote republican...are looking to be famous...".....Actually I stated that those blacks who spew (not just vote) republican policies as helping the black community....THOSE are looking for some notoriety. See the difference?

 

[Correll]

Yesterday, a heated "debate" (well, as much of a debate that can be had in this mostly right wing forum) was had about one poster's friend who, as a liberal, spoke about a right wing friend who claimed that a good part of the hatred toward Obama was based on race.

I do NOT believe that opposition toward Obama is wholly based on race.....however, to deny that some racism does not exist toward Obama's presidency, would be equally naive.

So, what would make someone who is black and relatively intelligent, embrace the GOP platform that is often enmeshed in policies that are not for the betterment of the black voting bloc?

I am reminded of a passage in Milton's Paradise Lost where Lucifer explains why he chose to defy God's wishes (and PLEASE, I do not mean even remotely to equate a black republican to the devil......but the analogy is still sound.) ........Anyway, through Milton's prose, Lucifer explains that he would rather be a "king in hell" than just one of many other angel standing beside the throne of God.

What I'm getting at is that for SOME blacks who have chosen to embrace right wing policies may do so because the notoriety gained by such a stance is much more self serving than to be one of the vast majority of blacks who side with the left ideology. In other words, if you want to get on the FOX channels or the Rush radio talk shows, your chances are vastly improved if you claim that you are an arch conservative AND black.

And here we see a lib who CANNOT EVEN ENTERTAIN the possibility that someone else might have a legitimate difference of opinion on political matters.


And these are the fools who consider US to be intolerant?

Liberals: All the self awareness of a turnip.

 

[nat4900]

That being said, politics and issues is generally not a subject blacks are interested in. And by interested, I mean well studied on the subjects.

The implication there is that right wingers are much more "well-versed" in political issues...which is bullshit as witnessed by the caliber of intellectual discourse on this RIGHT WING forum....Actually, all your ilk is really concerned about is clutching your guns and bibles and deriding anyone who is not white, heterosexual (supposedly), or an evangelical.

 

[Crixus]

Don't have to. People in jail don't get to vote. That and hood rats don't vote until the bus comes and gets them.

The above........a PERFECT example of the tacit racism that exists among many right wingers......Thank you, sort of......

The above, the perfect excample of a liberal who would keep an entire race in poverty so an elite few can stay in power. The above is a perfect excample of a modern day slave owner or a typical Democrat if you want

 

[nat4900]

And here we see a lib who CANNOT EVEN ENTERTAIN the possibility that someone else might have a legitimate difference of opinion on political matters.


And these are the fools who consider US to be intolerant?

Liberals: All the self awareness of a turnip.

As usual, you missed the point (which is expected from slow-witted right wingers)......ANYONE who follows policies that are contrary to their race or ethnicity's best interests must be doing so for self-aggrandizement and not from strong convictions.

Proof of that is how minorities have voted since they were allowed to have a vote..l.that is, unless you and your ilk "think" that minorities are simply ignorant or stupid.

 

[beagle9]

Yesterday, a heated "debate" (well, as much of a debate that can be had in this mostly right wing forum) was had about one poster's friend who, as a liberal, spoke about a right wing friend who claimed that a good part of the hatred toward Obama was based on race.

I do NOT believe that opposition toward Obama is wholly based on race.....however, to deny that some racism does not exist toward Obama's presidency, would be equally naive.

So, what would make someone who is black and relatively intelligent, embrace the GOP platform that is often enmeshed in policies that are not for the betterment of the black voting bloc?

I am reminded of a passage in Milton's Paradise Lost where Lucifer explains why he chose to defy God's wishes (and PLEASE, I do not mean even remotely to equate a black republican to the devil......but the analogy is still sound.) ........Anyway, through Milton's prose, Lucifer explains that he would rather be a "king in hell" than just one of many other angel standing beside the throne of God.

What I'm getting at is that for SOME blacks who have chosen to embrace right wing policies may do so because the notoriety gained by such a stance is much more self serving than to be one of the vast majority of blacks who side with the left ideology. In other words, if you want to get on the FOX channels or the Rush radio talk shows, your chances are vastly improved if you claim that you are an arch conservative AND black.

Wait.....there seems to be this idea that all black people live in the ghetto, they are all in prison, they all live in poverty, they all dropped out of school, and they all think alike and therefore need the Democrats............because they all look alike. That's pretty racist. Two off the top of my head and one cup of coffee: Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice.

Even if you stood back and said....the black guy is on Fox for his 15 minutes of fame, it is absolutely no different from the former attorney turned porn star turned serious news-ish wannabe white chic. Ok. Neither of them is a representation of the whole. If not one then the other is a strange world view. It's very black and white.

Why is it so hard for this country to recognize there are rich black people, middle class black people, and poor black people. There are black people with a range of educational levels. They come from a range of backgrounds. There is division.......just like white people. Independent thinking really screws with people's melons.

. Their are blacks who can't stand the thought of any black person gaining in this nation, and then separating themselves from the so called struggle. The struggle calls for all blacks regardless of their characters, educational levels, opinions, and other to remain as a tight but group in order to someday defeat their supposed arch enemy whitey. If to much of a split occurs, then they lose according to the thinking of those who require that blacks who are successful, must remain loyal to the struggle until they say otherwise. If blacks refuse the order, then they are considered as traitors and sell out's. What frustrates whites about all this that is talked about, is that they (the whites) seperate themselves from whites who would drag them down in life or cause terrible things to come upon them, and when they see blacks who do the same things then they are encouraged by them in that they would look into the character of their brother and sister, and then judge them based upon that, and not overlook it because they are black.

Gates and West wrote a book back in 1996 that stated they encountered the same issue and their answer (and I'm paraphrasing here) was: get bent.

. What did "get bent" mean ?

 

[nat4900]

The above, the perfect excample of a liberal who would keep an entire race in poverty so an elite few can stay in power. The above is a perfect excample of a modern day slave owner or a typical Democrat if you want

Stupid, moronic retort......

Blacks well know WHO has championed raising the minimum wage, WHO has championed housing rights, WHO has championed voting rights, WHO has championed anti-discrimination in hiring rights, etc.

....and sure as hell it was NOT right wingers....and sane folks know it.

 

[Correll]

And here we see a lib who CANNOT EVEN ENTERTAIN the possibility that someone else might have a legitimate difference of opinion on political matters.


And these are the fools who consider US to be intolerant?

Liberals: All the self awareness of a turnip.

As usual, you missed the point (which is expected from slow-witted right wingers)......ANYONE who follows policies that are contrary to their race or ethnicity's best interests must be doing so for self-aggrandizement and not from strong convictions.

Proof of that is how minorities have voted since they were allowed to have a vote..l.that is, unless you and your ilk "think" that minorities are simply ignorant or stupid.

No, as usual YOU missed the point that you are incapable of entertaining the thought that other people might have a different opinion on what is in the best interests of their race's or ethnicity's best interests.

Even after I explained it to you.

Your mind is closed. You are completely intolerant.

 

[Correll]

The above, the perfect excample of a liberal who would keep an entire race in poverty so an elite few can stay in power. The above is a perfect excample of a modern day slave owner or a typical Democrat if you want

Stupid, moronic retort......

Blacks well know WHO has championed raising the minimum wage, WHO has championed housing rights, WHO has championed voting rights, WHO has championed anti-discrimination in hiring rights, etc.

....and sure as hell it was NOT right wingers....and sane folks know it.

Some blacks know who is in favor of millions of black abortions every year.

Some blacks realize that more competition from HIspanics is not in their best interests.

Some blacks realize that their interests are tied up with the fate of America and vote for the party that cares about that somewhat.

Some blacks realize that they are the biggest victims of crime and vote for the party that is against crime.

 

[nat4900]

Some blacks know who is in favor of millions of black abortions every year.

Some blacks realize that more competition from HIspanics is not in their best interests.

Some blacks realize that their interests are tied up with the fate of America and vote for the party that cares about that somewhat.

Some blacks realize that they are the biggest victims of crime and vote for the party that is against crime.

For some, not even realizing how stupid they are (like you) makes their stupidity even more pronounced....

What you are stating above (in your fucked up way) is that ONLY right wingers are against crime and ONLY right wingers care for the fate of a better America.....

All this while proposing to MINIMIZE black voters' rights......MINIMIZE the housing rights of minorities, and MAXIMIZE the division between blacks and Hispanics.......THAT IS YOUR PARTY, not mine...and blacks well know it no matter how you try to cover it up.....Want proof???? See how minorities have voted for decades.

 

[beagle9]

And here we see a lib who CANNOT EVEN ENTERTAIN the possibility that someone else might have a legitimate difference of opinion on political matters.


And these are the fools who consider US to be intolerant?

Liberals: All the self awareness of a turnip.

As usual, you missed the point (which is expected from slow-witted right wingers)......ANYONE who follows policies that are contrary to their race or ethnicity's best interests must be doing so for self-aggrandizement and not from strong convictions.

Proof of that is how minorities have voted since they were allowed to have a vote..l.that is, unless you and your ilk "think" that minorities are simply ignorant or stupid.

. You just gave credence to my post here with a post like that. So if a split occurs until the struggle is deemed officially over by certain members of the group, then the group must rally to lay waist to those they see as traitors to the struggle (i.e. black Republicans/conservatives). Herman Cain was a victim of this concept or unspoken rule, as well as maybe Bill Cosby after his outspokenness or accountability called for amongst the so called black community, and the many, many more that have been attacked after their traitorous exodus from the so called struggle where they had gone in pursuit of the American Dream. Barack Obama has been looked at as a member of the struggle, and he was to do everything he could for the struggle or be seen as a traitor to those in the struggle also. What is the end game of the struggle ? What will finally satisfy those blacks who consider themselves leaders of the struggle ? Can they ever be satisfied, and can blacks ever free themselves from the chains and binders that are placed upon them by those blacks who feel that they must give their lives to the struggle or be seen as traitors, sell out's, uncle Tom's/Tomasena's ?

 

[kaz]

Some blacks know who is in favor of millions of black abortions every year.

Some blacks realize that more competition from HIspanics is not in their best interests.

Some blacks realize that their interests are tied up with the fate of America and vote for the party that cares about that somewhat.

Some blacks realize that they are the biggest victims of crime and vote for the party that is against crime.

For some, not even realizing how stupid they are (like you) makes their stupidity even more pronounced....

What you are stating above (in your fucked up way) is that ONLY right wingers are against crime and ONLY right wingers care for the fate of a better America.....

All this while proposing to MINIMIZE black voters' rights......MINIMIZE the housing rights of minorities, and MAXIMIZE the division between blacks and Hispanics.......THAT IS YOUR PARTY, not mine...and blacks well know it no matter how you try to cover it up.....Want proof???? See how minorities have voted for decades.

Some darkie can't get an ID, right Archie Bunker? You talking about stupid when you think blacks can't be held to the same standard as whites is classic