Black Mob Attacks White Family

Akron Beacon Report

So, if the situation were reversed and 50 whites attacked a black family yelling, "This is a White World. This Our World," exactly how many seconds would it take the police to decide it was a hate crime?

This is EXACTLY why there shouldn't be hate crime laws, they will never be enforced equally. Jillian, if you're out there, this is precisely what I was talking about in the hate crime thread.

 

Crimes against another human is hate in the purist form and it should all be dealt with equally.

 

Hi, TE... I see what you're saying. But honestly? I think this is EXACTLY why there should be hate crime laws.

And I think these teens should already be charged under those laws. And if they're found guilty, I'd hope their hatred gets them as much time as I'd want to see a group of white attackers get if it were reversed.

 

I understand. But my problem is with the practical not the normative. I might agree that people that commit violent crime against other people because they are trying to foment division between factions of this country should be punished to a greater extent, but look at the practical side. Here you have prosecutor in Akron, OH with a large African-American community. Do you really think he has the stones to place the Hate Crime card on a group of Black teens?

If he does that and he's a Democrat, he can kiss his career in the prosecutor's office goodbye and any political aspirations he might have as well. The blacks in the state party with ensure he gets no further support.

If he's a republican, well that's not very likely is it....

So, if it isn't tried as a hate crime, what message does that send to the victims and others who are similarly situated? Doesn't it send the same message to them as it has to blacks for years? This is an unfair system and when something like this happens, you can be sure that you'll get shit on.

The justice system relies on people believing there is equal justice under the law. It is bad enough that one group feels they can't depend on the system, to exacerbate that by creating a larger group seems unwise.

Hate crime laws are a tool, but if the tool can't be used fairly, we shouldn't have it at all.

 

Attack June 27. Today July 9. Wonder how long it's gonna take them to decide?

 

If he has a strong black community, I think they'd understand that they don't want to be sullied by association with scum like this. I would suspect they would WANT them marginalized and punished, same as I did when Yusuf Hawkins was murdered for simply being in Bay Ridge.

I hope you're wrong.

if it's tried as a hate crime, it tells the victim that society rejects hatred based on what a person is born.

And I think the tool CAN and should be used fairly.

 

Or such attacks -- from any direction -- and the resulting tangles of politics and prosecution could be dealt with by simply allowing different racial groups to go their own ways.

Right, right... it's crazy, it'll never work, blah blah blah. But would it really? Isn't it really this "togetherteid," as Fred Reed calls it, more absurd and difficult-to-administer? Shouldn't some form of racial separation be on the table? Who benefits from the forced togetherness, anyway? After centuries of this thing NOT FUCKNG WORKING, what's it going to take for us all to consider a new path? They say insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. That's pretty much our approach to race relations in America. Isn't it time to at least THINK about new approaches, ones that would work to the betterment of ALL groups?

 

I agree about the strong black community part, if he has one, they'll probably be on the right side. Having said that, this 50 person gang didn't come from nowhere. This is an indicator of serious problems in the community.

Well, I will watch this prosecutor's actions because if he charges these kids with hate crimes he's got cast iron balls the size of the state. But, as you say, if we are to have hate crime laws, they should, indeed MUST, be used fairly.

 

Wasn't that what Malcolm X wanted too?

 

Simply put, this is a hate crime, and they should be charged as such.

It doesn't matter if they were white, black, green, or orange.

I agree with you Tech when you say this is an indicator of serious problems in the community but would go further in saying it's an indicator of serious problems in the United States.

The single boiling point in Race relations at the moment is Barack Obama. If he were to be shot, and killed by a white guy in the "Birthers" movement then expect what happened when MLK Jr. died by one hundred fold.