black african civilization prior to european colonalization and racist stereotypes

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    i just recently started using this forum and was worried about the tales people chat of no black civilizations or nations prior to european contact. and i wanted to correct that. i also wanted to say something about the belief that savage blacks captured savage blacks and sold them to whites. i recently asked my great grand dad, who showed me some writings by an african ruler in the oyo empire in western nigeria. apparantly he was worried that the british where selling guns to another black nation the dahomey and that because the oyo empires attempts to replicate the rifles where unsuccessful they needed to trade more with the english.

    unfortunately gold was not what the english wanted but slaves. in most african society prior to european colonialism. slavery was only used on people who commited grievious criminal acts and prisoners of war. and the slaves could work their way out to freedom, they could also have children who where free and their relatives could buy their freedom. some black nations like the nri kingdom even outlawed slavery and any slave that set foot on their land wes free. u see slavery in west africa was seen as being more humane than executing someone for murder as spilling blood was often seen as taboo. and they where many laws concerning the treatment of slaves. but when white people arrived the game changed because of guns. u see guns gave a nation advantages and when whites sold it to a particular black kingdom other kingdoms where afraid they would be dis advantaged and also sought after guns. at first gold and spices and cloth was enough for europeans, but with the discovery of gold and spices in north and south america, slaves where needed to covert these resources. and the only thing blacks had to trade where slaves for guns. so as a result blacks started selling their criminals into slavery thinking the same rules of slavery applied to whites, but we all know now that was different. so the slave raids only started when the kingdoms ran out of criminals and then started raiding other kingdoms and sometimes going to all out war just for slaves to get more guns. why more guns u say what did they need them for. well many people have forgotten that for centuries black africans have been resisting arab muslim invaders who wanted to forcefully enslave and convert them and needed every edge they could get get guns was to sell slaves and thus a vicious circle began. of course they where blacks who sold their own people out simply fo profit, but in what culture or race has such people not existed. i apologise to west african descendants of the slavery diaspora. and now i will list west african civilizations, which black people in america can take pride in.

    from what i can tell the nok civilization is west africas oldest as it started in 1000bc and from what i can tell it started up isolated as they where no advanced cultural influences nearby. i still dont understand why when ancient africa is potrayed on tv is always mud huts. i mean the where walled cites roads, written languages , science, universities like in ancient timbuktu. some had flags and constitutions. an some where even democratic. so why are they not mentioned. mind u these links are only from west africa they are many more in central east and southern africa


    west african
    Mali Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Kingdom of Nri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Songhai Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Ashanti Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Ghana Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Kanem-Bornu Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Sokoto Caliphate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Benin Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Oyo Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Dahomey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Wolof Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Nok culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Hausa Kingdoms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Wassoulou Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    central africa

    Kingdom of Kongo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Kingdom of Ndongo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Kingdom of Lunda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Kingdom of Zimbabwe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Kingdom of Mapungubwe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Kingdom of Mutapa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Rozwi Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    east africa

    Aksumite Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Kingdom of Kerma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Kingdom of Kush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Meroë - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Kingdom of Makuria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Nobatia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Alodia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Land of Punt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    southern africa

    Zulu Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Sakalava - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Bantu expansion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    ps to add egypt was not a black civilization but nubia was. ancient egyptians where a mixture of nubians, and berbers, the only time it could have been described as a black kingdom was the time nubian kings conquered and ruled over it. present day egyptians are a result of arab, turkish, roman, and greek invaders.

    my question is why does the media in general still insist on not showing ancient african cities, roads and politics except maybe some tiny villages whenever they want to represent ancient africa
     
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    Ancient Egypt was indeed a black civilization in its origins, only later did outsiders start to significantly mix with Ancient Egyptians, other than that your post was great.
     
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    Egypt was NOT a Black nation. Learn some History.
     
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    The founders of Ancient Egypt were black Africans, don't set yourself up for a classic beatdown from the Bass, you have no knowledge on this subject, I have a message board and nearly 10 years of of study and knowledge, heres a little taste for you to snack on, then ask yourself do you want to continue:

    "The question of the genetic origins of ancient Egyptians, particularly those during the Dynastic period, is relevant to the current study. Modern interpretations of Egyptian state formation propose an indigenous origin of the Dynastic civilization (Hassan, 1988). Early Egyptologists considered Upper and Lower Egyptians to be genetically distinct populations, and viewed the Dynastic period as characterized by a conquest of Upper Egypt by the Lower Egyptians. More recent interpretations contend that Egyptians from the south actually expanded into the northern regions during the Dynastic state unification (Hassan, 1988; Savage, 2001), and that the Predynastic populations of Upper and Lower Egypt are morphologically distinct from one another, but not sufficiently distinct to consider either non-indigenous (Zakrzewski, 2007). The Predynastic populations studied here, from Naqada and Badari, are both Upper Egyptian samples, while the Dynastic Egyptian sample (Tarkhan) is from Lower Egypt. The Dynastic Nubian sample is from Upper Nubia (Kerma). Previous analyses of cranial variation found the Badari and Early Predynastic Egyptians to be more similar to other African groups than to Mediterranean or European populations (Keita, 1990; Zakrzewski, 2002). In addition, the Badarians have been described as near the centroid of cranial and dental variation among Predynastic and Dynastic populations studied (Irish, 2006; Zakrzewski, 2007). This suggests that, at least through the Early Dynastic period, the inhabitants of the Nile valley were a continuous population of local origin, and no major migration or replacement events occurred during this time.

    Studies of cranial morphology also support the use of a Nubian (Kerma) population for a comparison of the Dynastic period, as this group is likely to be more closely genetically related to the early Nile valley inhabitants than would be the Late Dynastic Egyptians, who likely experienced significant mixing with other Mediterranean populations (Zakrzewski, 2002). A craniometric study found the Naqada and Kerma populations to be morphologically similar (Keita, 1990). Given these and other prior studies suggesting continuity (Berry et al., 1967; Berry and Berry, 1972), and the lack of archaeological evidence of major migration or population replacement during the Neolithic transition in the Nile valley, we may cautiously interpret the dental health changes over time as primarily due to ecological, subsistence, and demographic changes experienced throughout the Nile valley region."



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    AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 134:520–528 (2007)
    Dental Indicators of Health and Stress in Early Egyptian
    and Nubian Agriculturalists: A Difficult Transition and
    Gradual Recovery
     
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    No Egyptologist believes that Negro/Nubian/black Africans had anything to do with the Egypt of antiquity. The ancient Egyptians would have big parades that featured exotic beasts and black Africans... so, you can see what they thought of them.

    But hey, let's assume that blacks had twice the history they claim to have. Let's assume they invented the fucking microchip.

    Why can't they seem to reproduce that today? What's stopping them?
     
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    when you call it empire instead of village its like Jay-Z calling his company Rockefeller records instead of ugly brotha from the projects records.

    if you homeys are so advanced how come you rap about European cars and not African horse carts ? stay true to your roots ! :lol:

    All i hear in your so-called music is bentley this or bentley that. Bentley is owned by VolksWagen. VolksWagen was created by Hitler's order. It was designed for Hitler by Porsche who also built tanks for Hitler. Of course Hitler himself rode in a Mercedes.

    If you hate us so much why do you try to be like us ? You know i have a mexican neighbor and he drives essentially an undercover police car - a black impala ( only with rims ). You can tell just from the car he drives how much time he spends in prison.
     
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    I know, it's funny... most of what blacks love, they'd never be able to make on their own:

    Stereo equipment
    Booming bass for the car
    Rims
    European luxury goods

    I mean, seriously... just imagine a bunch of blacks getting together and saying, "Well, gentlemen, we do love the rims. So it looks like, now that we've gotten rid of whitey, that we'll have to build a metal forge to make them."
     
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    You're ignorant and as usual post no sources, I already posted evidence and you still refuse to acknowledge, white racialists don't have hi IQs I guess.
     
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    Damn, William.... you are one seriously stupid person. I'm curious to know how you got to be so dumb. Is it a deliberate choice?
     
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    There's damned little ever shown about "ancient Africa".

    Except, of course, for ancient Egypt.

    And that nation obviously was both a Black and non-Black African nation depending on what dynasty you're studying in its milleniums long history.
     

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