Birth of the People's Party

[georgephillip]

I see no one will address the facts i posted about the decades long flat wages of the working class and the definite redistribution of wealth upwards. This isn't the first time this has happened. I have posted facts with links addressing this and not once has anyone offered a factual rebuttal or even an attempt at a rebuttal. All I see are lame responses laced with talking points, or no response at all. I guess the lack of intelligent responses says it all. People have nothing to back up their devotion to the upwards redistribution but what has been fed to them over the years, which they willfully sucked in.

In another recent thread there was an argument made that inequality has been vastly exaggerated over the last few years.

"...Christian Broda and John Romalis find that 'the relative prices of low-quality products that are consumed disproportionately by low-income consumers have been falling over this period.

"'This fact implies that measured against the prices of products that poorer consumers actually buy, their "real" incomes have been rising steadily...'"

There's no doubt in my mind about stagnant wages since I've been working since the mid 60s and remember when a single minimum wage job paid the rent on a brand new one-bedroom apartment with enough left over to maintain a six year-old car.

I haven't been able to afford a car or one bedroom apartment of any age since 1995 and it's only getting worse.

In 2008 I thought that if our economy crashes again there would be universal condemnation of those responsible; however, when (not if) the US economy crashes again, I'm pretty sure the immigrants and school teachers will get the blame.

Willful ignorance and blind obedience to "legitimate" authority seem to be taking hold of a greater percentage of the US electorate with each passing news cycle.

About the only thing lacking is a highly charismatic politician on the right like Reagan, for example, and the last functional threads of US democracy vanish from the page of time.

 

[georgephillip]

government employee and collective bargaining are redundant

"In which sense?

1. Superfluous; exceeding what is necessary.
2. Repetitive or needlessly wordy.
3. (chiefly UK) Dismissed from employment because no longer needed.
4. (chiefly computing) Duplicating or able to duplicate the function of another component of a system, providing back-up in the event the other component fails."

 

[georgephillip]

I suppose we will see just how much of a mood the people are in for these whiny assed lefties and their calls for REVOLOTION.

With gas prices rising, food prices rising, 10% unemployment.

They might be in for a bit of shock.

I want to know why these friggin' Moonbats have to take their sorry, anti-american asses up to a tourist mecca like Hollywood and Vine, where the small businesses in that area are already taking a hit, and ruining the day of tourists, to protest about shit that nobody but the looniest of the loons give a shit about.

And that's exactly what will happen......The tourists are going to have their experience ruined. Businesses who rely on those tourists will undoubtedly lose business. And all that these protester loons will accomplish, is to make themselves look like a bunch of crazy idiots.

It's insanity.

Some of us think it's insane to kill other people's children for money.

Most Americans (Moonbats and others) opposed the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. A majority of Americans today oppose the killing of Afghanistan's children for money.

At what point do you begin to suspect war really is a real racket?

When you're offered money to kill American children?

It's coming, Jester. Sure as death and taxes.
If you won't do it, Blackwater (Xe) will.

As far as Hollywood/Mecca's concerned, it's just as likely local businesses lost more money during Oscar's lockdown when all the rich and famous stars spent more on hair and wardrobe for one night than many Iraqis and Afghanis will see in their entire all-to-short lifetimes.

The rich and famous have called the shots for thousands of years on this rock.

That works until it doesn't.

That time could be rapidly approaching.

When it arrives many of today's rich and famous will discover it is not always someone else's child who dies in class war.

And that is exactly what will happen if war is not taxed into extinction first.

 

[The T]

I suppose we will see just how much of a mood the people are in for these whiny assed lefties and their calls for REVOLOTION.

With gas prices rising, food prices rising, 10% unemployment.

They might be in for a bit of shock.

I want to know why these friggin' Moonbats have to take their sorry, anti-american asses up to a tourist mecca like Hollywood and Vine, where the small businesses in that area are already taking a hit, and ruining the day of tourists, to protest about shit that nobody but the looniest of the loons give a shit about.

And that's exactly what will happen......The tourists are going to have their experience ruined. Businesses who rely on those tourists will undoubtedly lose business. And all that these protester loons will accomplish, is to make themselves look like a bunch of crazy idiots.

It's insanity.

Some of us think it's insane to kill other people's children for money.

Most Americans (Moonbats and others) opposed the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. A majority of Americans today oppose the killing of Afghanistan's children for money.

At what point do you begin to suspect war really is a real racket?

When you're offered money to kill American children?

It's coming, Jester. Sure as death and taxes.
If you won't do it, Blackwater (Xe) will.

As far as Hollywood/Mecca's concerned, it's just as likely local businesses lost more money during Oscar's lockdown when all the rich and famous stars spent more on hair and wardrobe for one night than many Iraqis and Afghanis will see in their entire all-to-short lifetimes.

The rich and famous have called the shots for thousands of years on this rock.

That works until it doesn't.

That time could be rapidly approaching.

When it arrives many of today's rich and famous will discover it is not always someone else's child who dies in class war.

And that is exactly what will happen if war is not taxed into extinction first.

Then why the generational THEFT by the Statists? Why are the Statists robbing the futures of Children by placing them in slavery to pay off debt before they are even BORN?

 

[georgephillip]

"Are Americans beginning to awake to the fact that our economy now delivers a larger share of total income to the very top than at any time in living memory?

"That big corporations are making more money and creating more jobs abroad than in the United States?

"That this concentration of income and wealth has so corrupted politics that corporations can extort whatever they want from the government — tax breaks, loan guarantees, subsidies — while the super-rich can take most of their income as capital gains (taxed at 15 percent), and the rest at the lowest top rate in 25 years?

"And that because of this our kids are crowded into classrooms, our streets and highways and bridges are falling apart, and our healthcare bills are out of control?"

The Tea Party focuses its anger like a laser on "government" when actually the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.

Global class war from Cairo to Madison to Ohio, Indiana and beyond is building.

Get ready to rumble...

The only burning question I have for you is why are you anti-capitalist? Anti- Economic Liberty?

*YOU* take it from there...and spare us the Socialist Centralized Gubmint Class Warfare bullsqueeze and control over people conducting COMMERCE

If government doesn't establish rules for controlling commerce, who does?

Goldman Sachs?

For as long as "government" has existed on this planet, it's prime directive has been to socialize cost and privatize profit for a select few.

No government has ever done it better than US Republicans AND Democrats UNITED in service to Wall Street.

If capitalism is a system that requires infinite growth existing on a planet of finite resources, it too will work until it doesn't. Should that prove to be the case governments around the world will fall like those we're watching in the Middle East today.

Will that enhance liberty of any kind?

Or will it enhance Goldman Sachs and other private centralized power structures?

 

[The Gadfly]

Paul Krugman seems to agree

"Here’s a thought: maybe Madison, Wis., isn’t Cairo after all. Maybe it’s Baghdad — specifically, Baghdad in 2003, when the Bush administration put Iraq under the rule of officials chosen for loyalty and political reliability rather than experience and competence."

"As many readers may recall, the results were spectacular — in a bad way.

"Instead of focusing on the urgent problems of a shattered economy and society, which would soon descend into a murderous civil war, those Bush appointees were obsessed with imposing a conservative ideological vision.

"Indeed, with looters still prowling the streets of Baghdad, L. Paul Bremer, the American viceroy, told a Washington Post reporter that one of his top priorities was to 'corporatize and privatize state-owned enterprises' — Mr. Bremer’s words, not the reporter’s — and to 'wean people from the idea the state supports everything.'”

Scott Walker doesn't appear to be as smart as L. Paul Bremer or Ronald Reagan, but his loyalty to corporate America is at least as strong.

Chains break first in their weakest links?

Shock Doctrine,

Poor Krugman, he's another dying Commie who no one takes seriously.

Are you taking Wisconsin seriously?

"What’s happening in Wisconsin is, instead, a power grab — an attempt to exploit the fiscal crisis to destroy the last major counterweight to the political power of corporations and the wealthy.

"And the power grab goes beyond union-busting. The bill in question is 144 pages long, and there are some extraordinary things hidden deep inside.

"For example, the bill includes language that would allow officials appointed by the governor to make sweeping cuts in health coverage for low-income families without having to go through the normal legislative process."

"And then there’s this: 'Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state-owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state.

"'Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).'"

Are the conservatives you know in favor of allowing Walker or any politician to sell off public assets without taking bids to anyone he/she chooses?

Isn't that what dying communists in Russia did?

Ah, ha! NOW, I understand what's behind this Trotskyite drivel! One more butt-hurt liberal, crying because his precious union got busted! Oh my God, the sky is gonna fall! The poor workers will all starve! Oh, the humanity, think of the children.....and just you wait, you evil conservatives, we're gonna make you pay at the polls for this, and if that doesn't work, we'll....we'll...we'll start a violent revolt against you, that's what we'll do! That about sum it up, George?

I haven't seen a bunch of libbies implode like this, since the election of 2004, when a bunch of you declared this republic officially dead, and threatened to leave (of course, virtually none of you actually did). Of course, the sky didn't fall after all, and just two years later, you got to watch conservatives do essentially the same, after the election of Obama. Of course, your side learned nothing from what the other side had done some years back with one-party rule, so it proceeded to make the same mistake (enact a purely partisan, ideological agenda) and pay the same price (how'd you like the mid-term elections?). This is just the latest smackdown in this little partisan game of reprisal and counter-reprisal that's marked American politics over the last twenty years. You lost a political fight. Get over it (isn't that what you told conservatives to do, when the shoe was on the other foot?).

 

[The T]

"Are Americans beginning to awake to the fact that our economy now delivers a larger share of total income to the very top than at any time in living memory?

"That big corporations are making more money and creating more jobs abroad than in the United States?

"That this concentration of income and wealth has so corrupted politics that corporations can extort whatever they want from the government — tax breaks, loan guarantees, subsidies — while the super-rich can take most of their income as capital gains (taxed at 15 percent), and the rest at the lowest top rate in 25 years?

"And that because of this our kids are crowded into classrooms, our streets and highways and bridges are falling apart, and our healthcare bills are out of control?"

The Tea Party focuses its anger like a laser on "government" when actually the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.

Global class war from Cairo to Madison to Ohio, Indiana and beyond is building.

Get ready to rumble...

The only burning question I have for you is why are you anti-capitalist? Anti- Economic Liberty?

*YOU* take it from there...and spare us the Socialist Centralized Gubmint Class Warfare bullsqueeze and control over people conducting COMMERCE

If government doesn't establish rules for controlling commerce, who does?

Goldman Sachs?

For as long as "government" has existed on this planet, it's prime directive has been to socialize cost and privatize profit for a select few.

No government has ever done it better than US Republicans AND Democrats UNITED in service to Wall Street.

If capitalism is a system that requires infinite growth existing on a planet of finite resources, it too will work until it doesn't. Should that prove to be the case governments around the world will fall like those we're watching in the Middle East today.

Will that enhance liberty of any kind?

Or will it enhance Goldman Sachs and other private centralized power structures?

The only thing Gubmint is allowed to do is control Commerce for collection of taxes for gubmint to function...and at the same time? Make sure that Liberty is unimpeded...economic or otherwise.

Got it ACE? You're still stuck on stupid as to Class Warfare...And it's a horrible stigma...rid yourself of it immediately.

 

[georgephillip]

I want to know why these friggin' Moonbats have to take their sorry, anti-american asses up to a tourist mecca like Hollywood and Vine, where the small businesses in that area are already taking a hit, and ruining the day of tourists, to protest about shit that nobody but the looniest of the loons give a shit about.

And that's exactly what will happen......The tourists are going to have their experience ruined. Businesses who rely on those tourists will undoubtedly lose business. And all that these protester loons will accomplish, is to make themselves look like a bunch of crazy idiots.

It's insanity.

Some of us think it's insane to kill other people's children for money.

Most Americans (Moonbats and others) opposed the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. A majority of Americans today oppose the killing of Afghanistan's children for money.

At what point do you begin to suspect war really is a real racket?

When you're offered money to kill American children?

It's coming, Jester. Sure as death and taxes.
If you won't do it, Blackwater (Xe) will.

As far as Hollywood/Mecca's concerned, it's just as likely local businesses lost more money during Oscar's lockdown when all the rich and famous stars spent more on hair and wardrobe for one night than many Iraqis and Afghanis will see in their entire all-to-short lifetimes.

The rich and famous have called the shots for thousands of years on this rock.

That works until it doesn't.

That time could be rapidly approaching.

When it arrives many of today's rich and famous will discover it is not always someone else's child who dies in class war.

And that is exactly what will happen if war is not taxed into extinction first.

Then why the generational THEFT by the Statists? Why are the Statists robbing the futures of Children by placing them in slavery to pay off debt before they are even BORN?

Which of the following are "statist"?

Big Business
The State
The richest 5% of the population

We agree about generational theft, but the stolen money seems to be flowing in only one direction.

My argument is that the theft results from an alliance between the three groups, but virtually all the populist rage in the country is being directed solely at government.

"Business and the rich insisted on (and the federal government complied with) corporate bailouts costing huge sums of public money.

"The state borrowed that money rather than taxing big business and the richest 5 percent of citizens.

"Indeed, it borrowed a good deal of the money from big business and the rich who had funds to lend because 1) those funds had not been taxed, and 2) the depressed global economy offered less attractive alternatives for those funds."

Richard D. Wolff

 

[frazzledgear]

Damn those Obama tax cuts for the rich!

"It gets worse.

" Congressional economists estimate that extending the tax cuts to the top 2 per cent will cost $700 to $750 billion over the next decade or so"Something must give –"

Schoolteachers or Wall Street bankers?

Whose side are you on?

I seriously had to stop reading this crap with this sentence. What you really mean is "NOT raising taxes on the wealthiest is estimated to cost ...." Except the only problem is it can't COST something that was never government's in the first place!! Government never had that money so it didn't COST government jackshit. What it really means is government already SPENT IT anyway. Does that work for you as a legitimate complaint because it doesn't work for me. Its like saying you are expecting a raise next year so you spent it this year and its not YOUR fault that you were a stupid idiot who counted chickens that weren't even eggs yet and spent something YOU NEVER HAD AT ALL. You make exactly what you made the previous year so what you are really complaining about is NOT getting something you never had in the first place! So its not COSTING government a fucking thing to NOT raise taxes. It means NOT getting money they never had in the first place which has the same impact on government this year as it did last year! People like YOU act like that money BELONGS to government first and government will decide how much it will LET people have. WRONG BUBBA -its OUR money FIRST at all times and WE THE PEOPLE decide how much government will get. NOT the other way around. And guess what -the PEOPLE have said the problem is NOT that we aren't soaking the rich and stealing enough of what they earned and owned. The problem is our FUCKING OUT OF CONTROL GOVERNMENT that insists on spending money no one has even earned yet and is planning on sticking the bill to people who aren't even been born yet!

Unless we put a stop to government SPENDING money it doesn't have -in less than ten years the US will owe more money than all the world's currency ....COMBINED. Not taxing the rich enough did NOT cause that and it will not fix it either. Pretending government is supposed to be everything to everyone and it can be done without bankrupting a nation is what did it! The proper role of government is NOT to make life "fair". That can't be done without making life unfair for someone else and usually with far worse consequences for more people. The proper role of government is NOT to "take care" of you either. That's YOUR fucking job -so do it and quit insisting someone else take responsibility for your life, your mistakes and your poor decisions. And quit wallowing in useless class envy which will not put one dime in your pocket. Taking 40% of what someone has earned is IMMORAL and disgusting.

You obviously still haven't figured out what Europe is learning the hard way -and I guarantee the so-called "congressional economists" always assume and is PROVABLY false. Those "economists" are REQUIRED to come up with answers based ONLY on the information they are given and may NOT use any other even if they know for a fact the underlying assumptions they are being handed is FALSE. That is a sneaky provision Congress wrote in to bolster their LIES to the public -like the cost of Obamacare. Must be news to you but these "economists" MUST assume that regardless of how much taxes are raised on them, that the wealthy will not change their behavior and will still go on MAKING as much money in spite of receiving no benefit by doing so any longer. Wrong -and provably and REPEATEDLY proven to be wrong. You and I have to go on earning as much regardless of how high our taxes are because a much higher percentage of our income goes to make ends meet. But that isn't true of the wealthy who require a smaller percentage of their income to make ends meet and WILL NOT continue earning that same kind of money when government confiscates it because they receive no benefit by putting in the effort to earn it. A fact. Counting on that money anyway results in what you see government doing now -counting on chickens that aren't even eggs yet and then will insist the problem is we STILL don't have high enough taxes and its not that THEY spend money that doesn't exist. Except after the wealthy stop bothering to earn it at all, they will come after the next class and raise THEIR taxes. This is the same old pattern and its been done over and over and over with the same results.

It takes guts to stand up and admit the problem is our government and NOT that we just don't pay enough in taxes -because the people who are insisting taxes just aren't high enough are INVARIABLY those who are on the bottom half as parasites on the other half. And like the spoiled ADOLESCENTS they really are who fear adulthood and avoid taking responsibility for their own lives -they are louder, more shrill and throw temper tantrums they like to call "demonstrations" to show how PASSIONATE they are about their demands. Demonizing the half that is being parasited only makes sense to a liberal. I'm a grown up though.

 

[georgephillip]

Poor Krugman, he's another dying Commie who no one takes seriously.

Are you taking Wisconsin seriously?

"What’s happening in Wisconsin is, instead, a power grab — an attempt to exploit the fiscal crisis to destroy the last major counterweight to the political power of corporations and the wealthy.

"And the power grab goes beyond union-busting. The bill in question is 144 pages long, and there are some extraordinary things hidden deep inside.

"For example, the bill includes language that would allow officials appointed by the governor to make sweeping cuts in health coverage for low-income families without having to go through the normal legislative process."

"And then there’s this: 'Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state-owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state.

"'Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).'"

Are the conservatives you know in favor of allowing Walker or any politician to sell off public assets without taking bids to anyone he/she chooses?

Isn't that what dying communists in Russia did?

Ah, ha! NOW, I understand what's behind this Trotskyite drivel! One more butt-hurt liberal, crying because his precious union got busted! Oh my God, the sky is gonna fall! The poor workers will all starve! Oh, the humanity, think of the children.....and just you wait, you evil conservatives, we're gonna make you pay at the polls for this, and if that doesn't work, we'll....we'll...we'll start a violent revolt against you, that's what we'll do! That about sum it up, George?

I haven't seen a bunch of libbies implode like this, since the election of 2004, when a bunch of you declared this republic officially dead, and threatened to leave (of course, virtually none of you actually did). Of course, the sky didn't fall after all, and just two years later, you got to watch conservatives do essentially the same, after the election of Obama. Of course, your side learned nothing from what the other side had done some years back with one-party rule, so it proceeded to make the same mistake (enact a purely partisan, ideological agenda) and pay the same price (how'd you like the mid-term elections?). This is just the latest smackdown in this little partisan game of reprisal and counter-reprisal that's marked American politics over the last twenty years. You lost a political fight. Get over it (isn't that what you told conservatives to do, when the shoe was on the other foot?).

Do you agree?

"U.S. corporations are sitting on $2 trillion in cash -- trillion, not billion. The same people who shipped millions of jobs overseas, caused the financial crisis, and pay themselves multimillion-dollar bonuses every year are now sitting on a mountain of cash.

"Yet both state and local governments feel the need to give them more tax cuts.

"To what end?

"So they can create more profits and sit on bigger piles of cash, so they can play monopoly as they buy each other out, or so they can give themselves even bigger bonuses?

"There is no indication that they are interested in doing anything to spur the economy."

The Crisis is...

Have you noticed over the last decade how Republicans AND Democrats have taken turns covering up for corporations who do nothing to spur the economy?

 

[Wicked Jester]

Some of us think it's insane to kill other people's children for money.

Most Americans (Moonbats and others) opposed the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. A majority of Americans today oppose the killing of Afghanistan's children for money.

At what point do you begin to suspect war really is a real racket?

When you're offered money to kill American children?

It's coming, Jester. Sure as death and taxes.
If you won't do it, Blackwater (Xe) will.

As far as Hollywood/Mecca's concerned, it's just as likely local businesses lost more money during Oscar's lockdown when all the rich and famous stars spent more on hair and wardrobe for one night than many Iraqis and Afghanis will see in their entire all-to-short lifetimes.

The rich and famous have called the shots for thousands of years on this rock.

That works until it doesn't.

That time could be rapidly approaching.

When it arrives many of today's rich and famous will discover it is not always someone else's child who dies in class war.

And that is exactly what will happen if war is not taxed into extinction first.

Then why the generational THEFT by the Statists? Why are the Statists robbing the futures of Children by placing them in slavery to pay off debt before they are even BORN?

Which of the following are "statist"?

Big Business
The State
The richest 5% of the population

We agree about generational theft, but the stolen money seems to be flowing in only one direction.

My argument is that the theft results from an alliance between the three groups, but virtually all the populist rage in the country is being directed solely at government.

"Business and the rich insisted on (and the federal government complied with) corporate bailouts costing huge sums of public money.

"The state borrowed that money rather than taxing big business and the richest 5 percent of citizens.

"Indeed, it borrowed a good deal of the money from big business and the rich who had funds to lend because 1) those funds had not been taxed, and 2) the depressed global economy offered less attractive alternatives for those funds."

Richard D. Wolff

George, just do yourself a favor, go move to China. It's where you belong.

You can have your personality and identity stripped from you. Dress like everybody else. Get shoved in a factory and worked for 15 hours a day for what amounts to next to nothing. Live in a fuckin' shithole with a bunch of nameless, faceless, equally miserable people........That's where you belong. It's what you obviously yearn for so, GO!

Just think, you'll have free healthcare. Recreation time a few hours a week, in between working like a dog and trying to get some sleep. You'll get all the rice, bugs, and whatever weird shit they can drudge from the ocean to eat, 'cause hey, they eat some weird shit in that paradise....And, every once in a while when you get the urge to speak out about anything in your life, you can have a few government goons come visit ya' for a lil' re-education session. Fire up some tea there, George. 'cause their visit is most definitely gonna be a party!

Sounds like a hoot, eh, buddy?

 

[georgephillip]

The only burning question I have for you is why are you anti-capitalist? Anti- Economic Liberty?

*YOU* take it from there...and spare us the Socialist Centralized Gubmint Class Warfare bullsqueeze and control over people conducting COMMERCE

If government doesn't establish rules for controlling commerce, who does?

Goldman Sachs?

For as long as "government" has existed on this planet, it's prime directive has been to socialize cost and privatize profit for a select few.

No government has ever done it better than US Republicans AND Democrats UNITED in service to Wall Street.

If capitalism is a system that requires infinite growth existing on a planet of finite resources, it too will work until it doesn't. Should that prove to be the case governments around the world will fall like those we're watching in the Middle East today.

Will that enhance liberty of any kind?

Or will it enhance Goldman Sachs and other private centralized power structures?

The only thing Gubmint is allowed to do is control Commerce for collection of taxes for gubmint to function...and at the same time? Make sure that Liberty is unimpeded...economic or otherwise.

Got it ACE? You're still stuck on stupid as to Class Warfare...And it's a horrible stigma...rid yourself of it immediately.

When government borrowed trillions of dollars to cover Wall Street's gambling losses it made a choice. There was another option on the table that required impeding Goldman Sach's economic liberty to loot and pillage.

Instead of borrowing from rich individuals and corporations (and China), our government could have chosen to tax the richest 5% of US citizens and US Corporations, currently sitting on $2 trillion in cash.

Where is the shared sacrifice?

The richest 1% have increased their share of national wealth by nearly 2 percentage points during the last two years. Why are you defending those who have caused and profited from our current economic misery?

You and I were both born into a state of class war.
That's where private fortunes were born.
Why are you stuck on the wrong side?
Why?

 

[georgephillip]

Damn those Obama tax cuts for the rich!

"It gets worse.

" Congressional economists estimate that extending the tax cuts to the top 2 per cent will cost $700 to $750 billion over the next decade or so"Something must give –"

Schoolteachers or Wall Street bankers?

Whose side are you on?

I seriously had to stop reading this crap with this sentence. What you really mean is "NOT raising taxes on the wealthiest is estimated to cost ...." Except the only problem is it can't COST something that was never government's in the first place!! Government never had that money so it didn't COST government jackshit. What it really means is government already SPENT IT anyway. Does that work for you as a legitimate complaint because it doesn't work for me. Its like saying you are expecting a raise next year so you spent it this year and its not YOUR fault that you were a stupid idiot who counted chickens that weren't even eggs yet and spent something YOU NEVER HAD AT ALL. You make exactly what you made the previous year so what you are really complaining about is NOT getting something you never had in the first place! So its not COSTING government a fucking thing to NOT raise taxes. It means NOT getting money they never had in the first place which has the same impact on government this year as it did last year! People like YOU act like that money BELONGS to government first and government will decide how much it will LET people have. WRONG BUBBA -its OUR money FIRST at all times and WE THE PEOPLE decide how much government will get. NOT the other way around. And guess what -the PEOPLE have said the problem is NOT that we aren't soaking the rich and stealing enough of what they earned and owned. The problem is our FUCKING OUT OF CONTROL GOVERNMENT that insists on spending money no one has even earned yet and is planning on sticking the bill to people who aren't even been born yet!

Unless we put a stop to government SPENDING money it doesn't have -in less than ten years the US will owe more money than all the world's currency ....COMBINED. Not taxing the rich enough did NOT cause that and it will not fix it either. Pretending government is supposed to be everything to everyone and it can be done without bankrupting a nation is what did it! The proper role of government is NOT to make life "fair". That can't be done without making life unfair for someone else and usually with far worse consequences for more people. The proper role of government is NOT to "take care" of you either. That's YOUR fucking job -so do it and quit insisting someone else take responsibility for your life, your mistakes and your poor decisions. And quit wallowing in useless class envy which will not put one dime in your pocket. Taking 40% of what someone has earned is IMMORAL and disgusting.

You obviously still haven't figured out what Europe is learning the hard way -and I guarantee the so-called "congressional economists" always assume and is PROVABLY false. Those "economists" are REQUIRED to come up with answers based ONLY on the information they are given and may NOT use any other even if they know for a fact the underlying assumptions they are being handed is FALSE. That is a sneaky provision Congress wrote in to bolster their LIES to the public -like the cost of Obamacare. Must be news to you but these "economists" MUST assume that regardless of how much taxes are raised on them, that the wealthy will not change their behavior and will still go on MAKING as much money in spite of receiving no benefit by doing so any longer. Wrong -and provably and REPEATEDLY proven to be wrong. You and I have to go on earning as much regardless of how high our taxes are because a much higher percentage of our income goes to make ends meet. But that isn't true of the wealthy who require a smaller percentage of their income to make ends meet and WILL NOT continue earning that same kind of money when government confiscates it because they receive no benefit by putting in the effort to earn it. A fact. Counting on that money anyway results in what you see government doing now -counting on chickens that aren't even eggs yet and then will insist the problem is we STILL don't have high enough taxes and its not that THEY spend money that doesn't exist. Except after the wealthy stop bothering to earn it at all, they will come after the next class and raise THEIR taxes. This is the same old pattern and its been done over and over and over with the same results.

It takes guts to stand up and admit the problem is our government and NOT that we just don't pay enough in taxes -because the people who are insisting taxes just aren't high enough are INVARIABLY those who are on the bottom half as parasites on the other half. And like the spoiled ADOLESCENTS they really are who fear adulthood and avoid taking responsibility for their own lives -they are louder, more shrill and throw temper tantrums they like to call "demonstrations" to show how PASSIONATE they are about their demands. Demonizing the half that is being parasited only makes sense to a liberal. I'm a grown up though.

If I pledge to buy your house for $1 million payable at $100,000 per month and stop paying after three months, how much money have I COST you that you never had in the first place?

In 1979 there was a social contract in this country requiring the rich and corporations to pay taxes at higher rates than those we see today. National income was shared among all Americans to a much greater extent than it is today.

Since 1979 ten percent of national income has shifted to the top one percent of the population.

This has not happened because the richest 1% woke up one morning and decided to work harder. It has happened because both Republicans AND Democrats derive most of their campaign funds from the richest 1% of voters.

Your whining about taking responsibility for your own life reminds me of Ronald Reagan:

"In 1980 Ronald Reagan told the biggest lie ever perpetuated on the American public.

"He condemned Jimmy Carter for running a $40 billion deficit, and then told everyone he could cut taxes and balance the budget. Voodoo economics -- that’s what George H.W. Bush called Reagan’s economic plan. He was right, and by the mid ’80s the budget deficit had ballooned to over $200 billion.

"Of course it was the rich who walked away with virtually all of the Reagan tax cuts. During the last 25 years the Republicans have doubled down over and over again, giving more and more tax cuts to the rich.

"While the rich have gotten incredibly wealthy, the poor have gotten poorer. It is a reverse Robin Hood economy where we take from the poor and give to the rich.

"It has been the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of our country -- the 400 richest have more than the 155 million poorest."

Why would anyone defend an economic system where 400 have more wealth than 155 million?

The Crisis is...

 

[georgephillip]

Then why the generational THEFT by the Statists? Why are the Statists robbing the futures of Children by placing them in slavery to pay off debt before they are even BORN?

Which of the following are "statist"?

Big Business
The State
The richest 5% of the population

We agree about generational theft, but the stolen money seems to be flowing in only one direction.

My argument is that the theft results from an alliance between the three groups, but virtually all the populist rage in the country is being directed solely at government.

"Business and the rich insisted on (and the federal government complied with) corporate bailouts costing huge sums of public money.

"The state borrowed that money rather than taxing big business and the richest 5 percent of citizens.

"Indeed, it borrowed a good deal of the money from big business and the rich who had funds to lend because 1) those funds had not been taxed, and 2) the depressed global economy offered less attractive alternatives for those funds."

Richard D. Wolff

George, just do yourself a favor, go move to China. It's where you belong.

You can have your personality and identity stripped from you. Dress like everybody else. Get shoved in a factory and worked for 15 hours a day for what amounts to next to nothing. Live in a fuckin' shithole with a bunch of nameless, faceless, equally miserable people........That's where you belong. It's what you obviously yearn for so, GO!

Just think, you'll have free healthcare. Recreation time a few hours a week, in between working like a dog and trying to get some sleep. You'll get all the rice, bugs, and whatever weird shit they can drudge from the ocean to eat, 'cause hey, they eat some weird shit in that paradise....And, every once in a while when you get the urge to speak out about anything in your life, you can have a few government goons come visit ya' for a lil' re-education session. Fire up some tea there, George. 'cause their visit is most definitely gonna be a party!

Sounds like a hoot, eh, buddy?

Do you think capitalism has enhanced human rights in China?

Substitute the word "authoritarian" for "conservative" in the following phrase then tell me if it reminds you of anyone you know:

"the term conservative harkens back to a day when conservatives were monarchists who considered democracy a threat to social order..."

Pat Buchanan seems to share some of the monarchists' concerns, particularly in regards the recent "democratic upheavals" in the Middle East.

There's no need to move to China, Jester.
The Capitalists are bringing China here.
Conservatives are their goons.
Are you and Pat proud?

 

[georgephillip]

"Are Americans beginning to awake to the fact that our economy now delivers a larger share of total income to the very top than at any time in living memory?

"That big corporations are making more money and creating more jobs abroad than in the United States?

"That this concentration of income and wealth has so corrupted politics that corporations can extort whatever they want from the government — tax breaks, loan guarantees, subsidies — while the super-rich can take most of their income as capital gains (taxed at 15 percent), and the rest at the lowest top rate in 25 years?

"And that because of this our kids are crowded into classrooms, our streets and highways and bridges are falling apart, and our healthcare bills are out of control?"

The Tea Party focuses its anger like a laser on "government" when actually the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.

Global class war from Cairo to Madison to Ohio, Indiana and beyond is building.

Get ready to rumble...

People's Party Update 3/12/11

"The People’s Party is growing across America — and the actions of Scott Walker and his Republican colleagues are giving it even greater momentum. So are the actions of congressional Republicans who are using the threat of a government shutdown to strong-arm their way in Washington.

"The American public may be divided over many things but we stand united behind our democratic process and the rule of law. And we reject coups in whatever form they occur."

 

[JamesMorrison]

"Are Americans beginning to awake to the fact that our economy now delivers a larger share of total income to the very top than at any time in living memory?

"That big corporations are making more money and creating more jobs abroad than in the United States?

"That this concentration of income and wealth has so corrupted politics that corporations can extort whatever they want from the government — tax breaks, loan guarantees, subsidies — while the super-rich can take most of their income as capital gains (taxed at 15 percent), and the rest at the lowest top rate in 25 years?

"And that because of this our kids are crowded into classrooms, our streets and highways and bridges are falling apart, and our healthcare bills are out of control?"

The Tea Party focuses its anger like a laser on "government" when actually the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.

Global class war from Cairo to Madison to Ohio, Indiana and beyond is building.

Get ready to rumble...

Well, well the collectivist left leaning Michael Moore Followers are now suggesting class war with the emphasis on war. Regarding Michael Moore’s millions, will such a war contain echoes of Robespierre’s fate?

Apparently the conservatives are winning and the left, that favors compromise when it advances their cause and legislative absenteeism when all else fails, now devolves into intimidation and the promotion of outright violence when necessary to further their 'liberalism' as we seen here:

Wisconsin Republican state senators receive chilling email death threat - Yahoo! News

and here:



Contrast this with any 'Tea Party' demonstrations before and after the passage of Obamacare and you see the vast difference between 'Free speech' leftist style and that demonstrated by conservatives.

As to "the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.", Doesn't the Tea Party's goal of smaller government, less regulation, and greater individual liberty work to disable, if not eliminate entirely, such a coalition?

Further, the left's and unionist's noise in WI is, on the whole, irrelevant. Here's the math. According to the USBLS 11.9% of the total American labor force is unionized; of that 36.2% is public sector unions which means that only 4.3% of all workers are public sector union members. Given 100% of workers pay taxes and even assuming all union members will vote for Dems in 2012 that leaves over 88% of taxpayers watching the left's representatives' antics in Madison that inform that 88% that they want them to pay for their overly generous benefits and salaries. Should we add in those voters who have been unemployed for the last 18-24 months to that figure that may feel something other than sympathy for the government workers? Further, the ranks of independents, that now decide elections and are not likely to be union workers, have swelled at the expense of those of the liberals (now only 20%) and are increasingly siding with fiscal conservatives.

The narrative that is increasingly recognized by voters is that both the federal and state governments have no money, they are broke. Those politicians that are associated with the anarchists in Madison do so at their own electoral peril, including President Obama. The class war thing will no longer work.

Rumble implies a toe to toe manly face off. Let’s face it, the left prefers to bully not rumble.

JM

 

[georgephillip]

While manly conservatives prefer killing Afghani children for profit?

America isn't broke.
Just ask Michael Moore:

"Contrary to what those in power would like you to believe so that you'll give up your pension, cut your wages, and settle for the life your great-grandparents had, America is not broke.

"Not by a long shot. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks and the portfolios of the uber-rich.

"Today just 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined.

"Let me say that again. 400 obscenely rich people, most of whom benefited in some way from the multi-trillion dollar taxpayer 'bailout' of 2008, now have more loot, stock and property than the assets of 155 million Americans combined."

Rasmussen has Walker currently losing support for his assault of collective bargaining.

"A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Wisconsin Voters finds that just 34% Strongly Approve of the job he is doing, while 48% Strongly Disapprove.

"Overall, including those who somewhat approve or disapprove, the new Republican governor earns positive reviews from 43% and negative reviews from 57% of voters statewide.

Possibly Walker and other conservatives are showing their true historical color (bright yellow) and reverting to their original loyalty to the monarchists fear of democracy?

 

[taichiliberal]

Here's a fascinating bit of convoluted logic and hypocrisy regarding Wisconsin:

First Walker stated that banning unions from collectively bargaining on their benefits and pensions was vital to fixing the fiscal crisis.

The unions CONCEDED to the Mayor's proposed bill that required increases in contributions to the benefits and pensions. The Mayor REJECTED this because the concession did not include his ban.

Then, to circumnavigate the Dem Senators who are staying out of state to delay/prevent passing of this bill....the Mayor and Republican controlled Congress/Senate REMOVE from the fiscal bill the requirement to ban collective bargaining on union benefits and pensions, and pass it as law in another form.

So in effect, this action by the Wisconsin Mayor and his Republican allies acknowledges that banning unions from collectively bargaining on their benefits and pensions HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WISONSIN'S FISCAL CRISIS.

But somehow, I'm sure our local neocon parrots will spin and squawk like dervishes to justify this Tamminy Hall like action.

 

[georgephillip]

Wisconsin's governor seems to confuse himself with the Gipper

"Republican state senators have circumvented the need for a quorum vote on Scott Walker's budget bill by leaving out the fiscal clauses and passing the new laws curbing collective bargaining rights for state and public employees.

"This dubious tactical manoeuvre strips away the pretence that Walker and his GOP allies have hitherto maintained that the legislative package was necessary to close the state's budget deficit: Walker's objective is, as protesters in Madison have argued all along, to break the last vestige of organised labour strength in the US – the power of public sector workers to organise and negotiate collectively.

"Stated or not, Walker's ambition is to complete what Ronald Reagan began 30 years ago.

It is interesting Oregon has had a much different political experience over the last two years, enacting measures that raise taxes on corporations and households earning more than $250,000 per year.

IMHO, the 1000 gorilla laughing in the corner is North Dakota

State owned banks would solve budget problems from Maine to Maui; however, Republicans AND Democrats would sell their own children before taking on Wall Street banks.

 

[Wicked Jester]

While manly conservatives prefer killing Afghani children for profit?

America isn't broke.
Just ask Michael Moore:

"Contrary to what those in power would like you to believe so that you'll give up your pension, cut your wages, and settle for the life your great-grandparents had, America is not broke.

"Not by a long shot. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks and the portfolios of the uber-rich.

"Today just 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined.

"Let me say that again. 400 obscenely rich people, most of whom benefited in some way from the multi-trillion dollar taxpayer 'bailout' of 2008, now have more loot, stock and property than the assets of 155 million Americans combined."

Rasmussen has Walker currently losing support for his assault of collective bargaining.

"A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Wisconsin Voters finds that just 34% Strongly Approve of the job he is doing, while 48% Strongly Disapprove.

"Overall, including those who somewhat approve or disapprove, the new Republican governor earns positive reviews from 43% and negative reviews from 57% of voters statewide.

Possibly Walker and other conservatives are showing their true historical color (bright yellow) and reverting to their original loyalty to the monarchists fear of democracy?

How many showed up to your lil' stupiditypalooza today, George?

And don't lie, because I already know!



Have ya' figured out yet that we are a center right society, that only laughs at you fools?