Birth of the People's Party

[editec]

The Official Site of the People's Party

LOL

That site's a real scream OB.

Thanks for the link.

 

[georgephillip]

"Are Americans beginning to awake to the fact that our economy now delivers a larger share of total income to the very top than at any time in living memory?

"That big corporations are making more money and creating more jobs abroad than in the United States?

"That this concentration of income and wealth has so corrupted politics that corporations can extort whatever they want from the government — tax breaks, loan guarantees, subsidies — while the super-rich can take most of their income as capital gains (taxed at 15 percent), and the rest at the lowest top rate in 25 years?

"And that because of this our kids are crowded into classrooms, our streets and highways and bridges are falling apart, and our healthcare bills are out of control?"

The Tea Party focuses its anger like a laser on "government" when actually the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.

Global class war from Cairo to Madison to Ohio, Indiana and beyond is building.

Get ready to rumble...

There's already two populist puppet parties for state worshiping booboise in place, the GOPers and the Dems. Your wish has been granted.

Booboise?

How much of the blame for our current economic crisis is the state responsible for?

What about big business (Wall Street, in particular)?

Richest 5% of Americans?

"This three-way hegemonic alliance is now proceeding to utilize the suddenly and vastly increased state debt to shift the cost of the crisis onto the mass of people.

"First, its members depict enlarged state debt as costing too much in state outlays for interest and repayment (threatening what the state can do for people in the future).

"Second, they insist that therefore 'there is no choice but to' cut public payrolls and services and raise taxes (in combinations depending on what voter constituencies will allow).

"In Europe this hegemonic maneuver is called 'austerity' and is operated by national governments.

"In the United States it is so far more a task of states and municipalities whose preferred words are 'budget crisis' and 'fiscal responsibility,' although the federal version is coming in the form of social security and Medicare reductions."

Do you think there's a snowball's chance in Cairo of US conservatives voting against ALL Republicans AND Democrats in 2012?

 

[California Girl]

Whatever side you're on, George..... I'll be on the opposite.

 

[georgephillip]

I just find the supporters of the actions of Gov. Walker in Wisconsin the most fascinating displays of denial, willful ignorance and insipid stubborness.

Paul Krugman seems to agree

"Here’s a thought: maybe Madison, Wis., isn’t Cairo after all. Maybe it’s Baghdad — specifically, Baghdad in 2003, when the Bush administration put Iraq under the rule of officials chosen for loyalty and political reliability rather than experience and competence."

"As many readers may recall, the results were spectacular — in a bad way.

"Instead of focusing on the urgent problems of a shattered economy and society, which would soon descend into a murderous civil war, those Bush appointees were obsessed with imposing a conservative ideological vision.

"Indeed, with looters still prowling the streets of Baghdad, L. Paul Bremer, the American viceroy, told a Washington Post reporter that one of his top priorities was to 'corporatize and privatize state-owned enterprises' — Mr. Bremer’s words, not the reporter’s — and to 'wean people from the idea the state supports everything.'”

Scott Walker doesn't appear to be as smart as L. Paul Bremer or Ronald Reagan, but his loyalty to corporate America is at least as strong.

Chains break first in their weakest links?

Shock Doctrine,

Poor Krugman, he's another dying Commie who no one takes seriously.

Are you taking Wisconsin seriously?

"What’s happening in Wisconsin is, instead, a power grab — an attempt to exploit the fiscal crisis to destroy the last major counterweight to the political power of corporations and the wealthy.

"And the power grab goes beyond union-busting. The bill in question is 144 pages long, and there are some extraordinary things hidden deep inside.

"For example, the bill includes language that would allow officials appointed by the governor to make sweeping cuts in health coverage for low-income families without having to go through the normal legislative process."

"And then there’s this: 'Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state-owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state.

"'Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).'"

Are the conservatives you know in favor of allowing Walker or any politician to sell off public assets without taking bids to anyone he/she chooses?

Isn't that what dying communists in Russia did?

 

[georgephillip]

That's funny.
We say the same thing about you Obama supporters.

What do you say about those who say Walker and Obama are two sides of the same golden coin?

I'd say they ARE CRAZY and funny as shit.

"...I discovered that the term conservative harkens back to a day when conservatives were monarchists who considered democracy a threat to social order..."

Stop being afraid of the future.

From Buccaneers to...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

what do you do after one of these rallies, look around and say "well, that was awesome,
we really showed the world this time, that we're not really just a bunch of crackpots in olive drab jumpsuits".

you might really turn the corner this time marxie, just gotta get the message out ! rock the vote trotsky !!!

30% to 40% of eligible US voters often don't bother casting a ballot because they don't see anything worth voting FOR.

Maybe they can be convinced to vote AGAINST Republicans AND Democrats in 2012?

Anti-Vote 2.0

wow....shrouding laziness & ignorance with activism....how creative.



Do the Teabaggers know you're hijacking their trip?????



​

 

[georgephillip]

Whatever side you're on, George..... I'll be on the opposite.

'Sorry to hear that, CG.

I was confusing you with a winner.

 

[georgephillip]

what do you do after one of these rallies, look around and say "well, that was awesome,
we really showed the world this time, that we're not really just a bunch of crackpots in olive drab jumpsuits".

you might really turn the corner this time marxie, just gotta get the message out ! rock the vote trotsky !!!

30% to 40% of eligible US voters often don't bother casting a ballot because they don't see anything worth voting FOR.

Maybe they can be convinced to vote AGAINST Republicans AND Democrats in 2012?

Anti-Vote 2.0

wow....shrouding laziness & ignorance with activism....how creative.



Do the Teabaggers know you're hijacking their trip?????



​

Was that a real LORD addressing US populists?

I'm thinking some of us need to start asking what's REAL?

 

[California Girl]

Whatever side you're on, George..... I'll be on the opposite.

'Sorry to hear that, CG.

I was confusing you with a winner.

I can understand that. I, on the other hand, had you pegged as a loser the day you joined. I was right. Therefore, I'm a winner.

 

[washamericom]

what do you do after one of these rallies, look around and say "well, that was awesome,
we really showed the world this time, that we're not really just a bunch of crackpots in olive drab jumpsuits".

you might really turn the corner this time marxie, just gotta get the message out ! rock the vote trotsky !!!

30% to 40% of eligible US voters often don't bother casting a ballot because they don't see anything worth voting FOR.

Maybe they can be convinced to vote AGAINST Republicans AND Democrats in 2012?

Anti-Vote 2.0

so you are hoping to get the fat lazy unregistered uninformed apethetic couch potato vote to propel you to the aquisition of u.s. power ?

i think you may have something here !

i have to tell you though trotsky, you always take the time to post a contructive, if not always cogent argument to each of the overwhelming (in numbers) opposition opinions you encounter.

that is more than i can say for the liberals and some of the conservative liberals on the board., who sometimes argue "oh yeah stupyhead !"

 

[editec]

Not even one attempt to seriously discuss the issue like growups

Not much but the usual group of character assassinating trolls.

There's the state of poltical intercourse in America, folks.

 

[kiwiman127]

I see no one will address the facts i posted about the decades long flat wages of the working class and the definite redistribution of wealth upwards. This isn't the first time this has happened. I have posted facts with links addressing this and not once has anyone offered a factual rebuttal or even an attempt at a rebuttal. All I see are lame responses laced with talking points, or no response at all. I guess the lack of intelligent responses says it all. People have nothing to back up their devotion to the upwards redistribution but what has been fed to them over the years, which they willfully sucked in.

 

[washamericom]

I see no one will address the facts i posted about the decades long flat wages of the working class and the definite redistribution of wealth upwards. This isn't the first time this has happened. I have posted facts with links addressing this and not once has anyone offered a factual rebuttal or even an attempt at a rebuttal. All I see are lame responses laced with talking points, or no response at all. I guess the lack of intelligent responses says it all. People have nothing to back up their devotion to the upwards redistribution but what has been fed to them over the years, which they willfully sucked in.

oh yeah stupyhead ?!!

seriously... lighten up francis, we're just trying to have a little fun. i gave credit to trotsky for hanging in there. but if we don't care for socialism, that's our choice.
it's a free country, i don't like the "progress" of obama reid and pelosi.

 

[taichiliberal]

I just find the supporters of the actions of Gov. Walker in Wisconsin the most fascinating displays of denial, willful ignorance and insipid stubborness.

That's funny.
We say the same thing about you Obama supporters.

Well Stephanie, when you can provide proof that Obama pushed through legislation to deny workers the right to collectively bargain regarding their pensions and benefits, or to sell PUBLIC UTILITIES to private corporations/companies, you'll have a legitimate reason to be fascinated. If not, then you're just proving my point.

 

[taichiliberal]

Paul Krugman seems to agree

"Here’s a thought: maybe Madison, Wis., isn’t Cairo after all. Maybe it’s Baghdad — specifically, Baghdad in 2003, when the Bush administration put Iraq under the rule of officials chosen for loyalty and political reliability rather than experience and competence."

"As many readers may recall, the results were spectacular — in a bad way.

"Instead of focusing on the urgent problems of a shattered economy and society, which would soon descend into a murderous civil war, those Bush appointees were obsessed with imposing a conservative ideological vision.

"Indeed, with looters still prowling the streets of Baghdad, L. Paul Bremer, the American viceroy, told a Washington Post reporter that one of his top priorities was to 'corporatize and privatize state-owned enterprises' — Mr. Bremer’s words, not the reporter’s — and to 'wean people from the idea the state supports everything.'”

Scott Walker doesn't appear to be as smart as L. Paul Bremer or Ronald Reagan, but his loyalty to corporate America is at least as strong.

Chains break first in their weakest links?

Shock Doctrine,

Poor Krugman, he's another dying Commie who no one takes seriously.

Are you taking Wisconsin seriously?

"What’s happening in Wisconsin is, instead, a power grab — an attempt to exploit the fiscal crisis to destroy the last major counterweight to the political power of corporations and the wealthy.

"And the power grab goes beyond union-busting. The bill in question is 144 pages long, and there are some extraordinary things hidden deep inside.

"For example, the bill includes language that would allow officials appointed by the governor to make sweeping cuts in health coverage for low-income families without having to go through the normal legislative process."

"And then there’s this: 'Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state-owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state.

"'Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).'"

Are the conservatives you know in favor of allowing Walker or any politician to sell off public assets without taking bids to anyone he/she chooses?

Isn't that what dying communists in Russia did?

Facts and the logic that's derived from them are like sunlight to a vampire for folk like Stephanie, WashAmerican and California Girl

 

[georgephillip]

Not even one attempt to seriously discuss the issue like growups

Not much but the usual group of character assassinating trolls.

There's the state of poltical intercourse in America, folks.

Have you heard about Kelly?

"Then along came Kelley McDaniel of Portland (Maine) -- No. 48 on the day's speaker list.

"She's a part-time librarian at King Middle School -- and a very good one at that.

"She drove to Augusta with her 11-year-old daughter, Aedin, in tow because Aedin is on King Middle School's debate team, loves politics and dutifully met her mother's condition that she write a letter to each of her teachers explaining why listening to her mom testify at a state budget hearing was at least as important as a day in school..."

Aedin listened as her mother educated the budget committee on moral and economic choice:

"She talked about how, over there, the budget contains $200 million in tax cuts -- including an expansion of the estate-tax exemption from $1 million to $2 million -- that largely would benefit Mainers who aren't exactly scraping to get by.

"And how, over here, that loss of state revenue is more than offset by $413 million in various curtailments on benefits earned by retired state workers -- many of whom, like McDaniel has at King Middle for the past 11 years, served long and nobly in Maine's public schools.

"Observed McDaniel, 'I don't understand the rationale for this proposal.'

"She said she doesn't buy the idea that the tax cuts, putting significantly more money back into the pockets (or portfolios) of Maine's wealthy, will stimulate the economy...

"I don't think it's a moral decision, because taking money from people who don't have much money and giving it to people who have more money than the people you took it from seems, well, greedy," she said. 'Greed is frowned upon in every major world religion -- and I don't think agnostics and atheists look too kindly upon it, either.'

"She wondered aloud, 'Is this about a quid pro quo? A gift from elected officials to wealthy people who have donated, or will donate, to election and re-election campaigns?'"

"'It's not economically sound. It's not morally sound. And I think you know that,' she said. "I would be embarrassed to support something so ludicrous -- taking from the poor to give to the rich.'"

Not a problem for Republicans AND Democrats from Maine to Maui, apparently.

Maine Librarian's...

 

[washamericom]

government employee and collective bargaining are redundant

 

[georgephillip]

what do you do after one of these rallies, look around and say "well, that was awesome,
we really showed the world this time, that we're not really just a bunch of crackpots in olive drab jumpsuits".

you might really turn the corner this time marxie, just gotta get the message out ! rock the vote trotsky !!!

30% to 40% of eligible US voters often don't bother casting a ballot because they don't see anything worth voting FOR.

Maybe they can be convinced to vote AGAINST Republicans AND Democrats in 2012?

Anti-Vote 2.0

so you are hoping to get the fat lazy unregistered uninformed apethetic couch potato vote to propel you to the aquisition of u.s. power ?

i think you may have something here !

i have to tell you though trotsky, you always take the time to post a contructive, if not always cogent argument to each of the overwhelming (in numbers) opposition opinions you encounter.

that is more than i can say for the liberals and some of the conservative liberals on the board., who sometimes argue "oh yeah stupyhead !"

I think many of us across the political dial are underestimating the potential for hive intelligence/communication that the internet offers.

It's equally amazing for me to discover political insights I would never have seen from people I couldn't spend five minutes with in the same room (and vice versa, I'm sure) while learning to navigate the endless array of research/opinion/propaganda that cyberspace offers.

When I compare what I've learned in the last 15 years with what I learned in the preceding decade-and-a-half, it seems more like comparing two different lifetimes.

If I last another 15, I suspect it will seem more like three or four different lives.

And then it gets really interesting.

 

[Wicked Jester]

I suppose we will see just how much of a mood the people are in for these whiny assed lefties and their calls for REVOLOTION.

With gas prices rising, food prices rising, 10% unemployment.

They might be in for a bit of shock.

I want to know why these friggin' Moonbats have to take their sorry, anti-american asses up to a tourist mecca like Hollywood and Vine, where the small businesses in that area are already taking a hit, and ruining the day of tourists, to protest about shit that nobody but the looniest of the loons give a shit about.

And that's exactly what will happen......The tourists are going to have their experience ruined. Businesses who rely on those tourists will undoubtedly lose business. And all that these protester loons will accomplish, is to make themselves look like a bunch of crazy idiots.

It's insanity.

 

[The T]

"Are Americans beginning to awake to the fact that our economy now delivers a larger share of total income to the very top than at any time in living memory?

"That big corporations are making more money and creating more jobs abroad than in the United States?

"That this concentration of income and wealth has so corrupted politics that corporations can extort whatever they want from the government — tax breaks, loan guarantees, subsidies — while the super-rich can take most of their income as capital gains (taxed at 15 percent), and the rest at the lowest top rate in 25 years?

"And that because of this our kids are crowded into classrooms, our streets and highways and bridges are falling apart, and our healthcare bills are out of control?"

The Tea Party focuses its anger like a laser on "government" when actually the state is one-third of an axis of evil along with big business and the richest 5% of the population.

Global class war from Cairo to Madison to Ohio, Indiana and beyond is building.

Get ready to rumble...

The only burning question I have for you is why are you anti-capitalist? Anti- Economic Liberty?

*YOU* take it from there...and spare us the Socialist Centralized Gubmint Class Warfare bullsqueeze and control over people conducting COMMERCE