Bin Laden's Strategy...?

[Mr.Fitnah]

Olin Institute for Strategic Studies

 

[Godboy]

Putting aside who's fighting for what (OBL beats rummy on that too), as a warrior, rummy's a douche (he never fought) and OBL's a battle tested war hero.

A war hero? For implementing a campaign of death against innocent civilians? What are you, a terrorist sympathiser? You insult true war heroes! Those who gave their lives so you can spout your drivel freely.

I can't stand Bin Laden. Nothing would please me more then his death.

But she has a point. He fought in Afghanistan. He actually won a battle or two against the Soviets.

Thats not a point dumbass. Who gives a shit if hes fought in battle, it doesnt mean he should be admired in any way. The arguement thats being made against Rummy, could be made against the pope or Jesus himself and it would be just as irrellevent.

 

[hipeter924]

Its amazing to see how a person can miscalculate when figuring out what outcome will result from a certain action. I guess this is what happened to the Japanese when they thought Pearl Harbor plus one big naval battle would force the US to negotiate their new hegemony in the Pacific, Or when Saddam thought the western world would allow his annexing of Kuiwait with only a mild protest.

Bin Laden's man goal has always been the conquest of Saudi Arabia, and control of Mecca and Medina. His opposition is the House of Saud, and by exentsion the USA who backs them. (Europe as well.) He knows that the US would never support a coup lead by him, and Saudi has no military really to speak of, he knows he would be eating a Tomahawk misslle the second he exposed himself after a coup.

So he has to remove the US a player in the region. Lets forget about Israel for a moment. For Bin Laden, Jews play the same role as they did to Nazis in WWII, a good cover enemy but not the real enemy.

So Bin laden has to get the US out of SA. How to go about it? Normal conquest will not work, as he saw in the first gulf war. So what has to be done is force american opinion against being in the region. For that he looks to several strikes, such as the Lebanon Embassy bombing and Mogadishu in Somalia. From these he determines a strike on americans in large numbers would make them leave due to public pressure (it worked in those two cases.) Of course he ignores other events that didnt result in us leaving (bombing the crap out of libya comes to mind) but in his mindset he has a plan.

here is where ego comes into play. No one has struck the US on its own soil. He wants to be the first. In his mind a strike this significant will force us to run with our tails between our legs. At this point we are out of the region, and he can run his SA coup at his leisure.

to some degree u r good

But narrow minded. The US will not leave Saudi Arabia and the UAE (and other essential oil suppliers), nor will it stop supporting Israel or fighting against Islamists in Pakistan, American public opinion would not waiver, in fact by increasing the attacks, and threatening the destruction of the US and the west as well as creating fear he is only making is position worse.

We just need a few more 9/11's across the world (which will happen definitely) and the left (including Chomsky and Moore) will be relegated to a corner with a D cap on their head (where they belong right now), and the terrorists will scare and anger America and other western nations enough to start a real war, that means the end of Islam in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, it will be replaced by a secular world with Atheists and Christians and Jews, and Buddhists, and Hindu's, and Muslims living in peace. Sounds great, keep killing westerners and finally people will get off their asses and do something about it. Really the whole 'death to America', 'death to Israel' thing isn't helping Osama reduce his enemies, its making even more.

 

[mdn2000]

1- who smart than who ? Rumsfeld or Bin laden ?

the one who asnwer this can be another Einstein .

Rumsfeld was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives from Illinois in 1962. He would also go to win re-election in 1964, 1966, and 1968, nobody liked him, Rumsfeld opposed spending, everyone hated him. That makes Rumsfeld okay in my book, to be young and fight against old school political spending, a prophet, opposed spending, who would of thought Rumsfeld idea of smaller government made sense.

 

[mdn2000]

Its amazing to see how a person can miscalculate when figuring out what outcome will result from a certain action. I guess this is what happened to the Japanese when they thought Pearl Harbor plus one big naval battle would force the US to negotiate their new hegemony in the Pacific, Or when Saddam thought the western world would allow his annexing of Kuiwait with only a mild protest.

Bin Laden's man goal has always been the conquest of Saudi Arabia, and control of Mecca and Medina. His opposition is the House of Saud, and by exentsion the USA who backs them. (Europe as well.) He knows that the US would never support a coup lead by him, and Saudi has no military really to speak of, he knows he would be eating a Tomahawk misslle the second he exposed himself after a coup.

So he has to remove the US a player in the region. Lets forget about Israel for a moment. For Bin Laden, Jews play the same role as they did to Nazis in WWII, a good cover enemy but not the real enemy.

So Bin laden has to get the US out of SA. How to go about it? Normal conquest will not work, as he saw in the first gulf war. So what has to be done is force american opinion against being in the region. For that he looks to several strikes, such as the Lebanon Embassy bombing and Mogadishu in Somalia. From these he determines a strike on americans in large numbers would make them leave due to public pressure (it worked in those two cases.) Of course he ignores other events that didnt result in us leaving (bombing the crap out of libya comes to mind) but in his mindset he has a plan.

here is where ego comes into play. No one has struck the US on its own soil. He wants to be the first. In his mind a strike this significant will force us to run with our tails between our legs. At this point we are out of the region, and he can run his SA coup at his leisure.

to some degree u r good

But narrow minded. The US will not leave Saudi Arabia and the UAE (and other essential oil suppliers), nor will it stop supporting Israel or fighting against Islamists in Pakistan, American public opinion would not waiver, in fact by increasing the attacks, and threatening the destruction of the US and the west as well as creating fear he is only making is position worse.

We just need a few more 9/11's across the world (which will happen definitely) and the left (including Chomsky and Moore) will be relegated to a corner with a D cap on their head (where they belong right now), and the terrorists will scare and anger America and other western nations enough to start a real war, that means the end of Islam in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, it will be replaced by a secular world with Atheists and Christians and Jews, and Buddhists, and Hindu's, and Muslims living in peace. Sounds great, keep killing westerners and finally people will get off their asses and do something about it. Really the whole 'death to America', 'death to Israel' thing isn't helping Osama reduce his enemies, its making even more.

Never leave Saudi Arabia, your kidding, Obama will, Obama bows to no man.

 

[martybegan]

Its amazing to see how a person can miscalculate when figuring out what outcome will result from a certain action. I guess this is what happened to the Japanese when they thought Pearl Harbor plus one big naval battle would force the US to negotiate their new hegemony in the Pacific, Or when Saddam thought the western world would allow his annexing of Kuiwait with only a mild protest.

Bin Laden's man goal has always been the conquest of Saudi Arabia, and control of Mecca and Medina. His opposition is the House of Saud, and by exentsion the USA who backs them. (Europe as well.) He knows that the US would never support a coup lead by him, and Saudi has no military really to speak of, he knows he would be eating a Tomahawk misslle the second he exposed himself after a coup.

So he has to remove the US a player in the region. Lets forget about Israel for a moment. For Bin Laden, Jews play the same role as they did to Nazis in WWII, a good cover enemy but not the real enemy.

So Bin laden has to get the US out of SA. How to go about it? Normal conquest will not work, as he saw in the first gulf war. So what has to be done is force american opinion against being in the region. For that he looks to several strikes, such as the Lebanon Embassy bombing and Mogadishu in Somalia. From these he determines a strike on americans in large numbers would make them leave due to public pressure (it worked in those two cases.) Of course he ignores other events that didnt result in us leaving (bombing the crap out of libya comes to mind) but in his mindset he has a plan.

here is where ego comes into play. No one has struck the US on its own soil. He wants to be the first. In his mind a strike this significant will force us to run with our tails between our legs. At this point we are out of the region, and he can run his SA coup at his leisure.

to some degree u r good

But narrow minded. The US will not leave Saudi Arabia and the UAE (and other essential oil suppliers), nor will it stop supporting Israel or fighting against Islamists in Pakistan, American public opinion would not waiver, in fact by increasing the attacks, and threatening the destruction of the US and the west as well as creating fear he is only making is position worse.

We just need a few more 9/11's across the world (which will happen definitely) and the left (including Chomsky and Moore) will be relegated to a corner with a D cap on their head (where they belong right now), and the terrorists will scare and anger America and other western nations enough to start a real war, that means the end of Islam in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, it will be replaced by a secular world with Atheists and Christians and Jews, and Buddhists, and Hindu's, and Muslims living in peace. Sounds great, keep killing westerners and finally people will get off their asses and do something about it. Really the whole 'death to America', 'death to Israel' thing isn't helping Osama reduce his enemies, its making even more.

Please remember that all I am trying to do is to figure out his motivations, not that I beleive his strategy will work. This is what he beleived would happen, and he was wrong.

you scenario depends on these nations having the moral will to say enough is enough. I'm not sure that is the case anymore.

 

[hipeter924]

to some degree u r good

But narrow minded. The US will not leave Saudi Arabia and the UAE (and other essential oil suppliers), nor will it stop supporting Israel or fighting against Islamists in Pakistan, American public opinion would not waiver, in fact by increasing the attacks, and threatening the destruction of the US and the west as well as creating fear he is only making is position worse.

We just need a few more 9/11's across the world (which will happen definitely) and the left (including Chomsky and Moore) will be relegated to a corner with a D cap on their head (where they belong right now), and the terrorists will scare and anger America and other western nations enough to start a real war, that means the end of Islam in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, it will be replaced by a secular world with Atheists and Christians and Jews, and Buddhists, and Hindu's, and Muslims living in peace. Sounds great, keep killing westerners and finally people will get off their asses and do something about it. Really the whole 'death to America', 'death to Israel' thing isn't helping Osama reduce his enemies, its making even more.

Never leave Saudi Arabia, your kidding, Obama will, Obama bows to no man.

The above post of mine was built upon the concept of America and the west being as crippled as was mentioned by martybegan's post.

 

[hipeter924]

to some degree u r good

But narrow minded. The US will not leave Saudi Arabia and the UAE (and other essential oil suppliers), nor will it stop supporting Israel or fighting against Islamists in Pakistan, American public opinion would not waiver, in fact by increasing the attacks, and threatening the destruction of the US and the west as well as creating fear he is only making is position worse.

We just need a few more 9/11's across the world (which will happen definitely) and the left (including Chomsky and Moore) will be relegated to a corner with a D cap on their head (where they belong right now), and the terrorists will scare and anger America and other western nations enough to start a real war, that means the end of Islam in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, it will be replaced by a secular world with Atheists and Christians and Jews, and Buddhists, and Hindu's, and Muslims living in peace. Sounds great, keep killing westerners and finally people will get off their asses and do something about it. Really the whole 'death to America', 'death to Israel' thing isn't helping Osama reduce his enemies, its making even more.

Please remember that all I am trying to do is to figure out his motivations, not that I beleive his strategy will work. This is what he beleived would happen, and he was wrong.

you scenario depends on these nations having the moral will to say enough is enough. I'm not sure that is the case anymore.

Most do not, this is true. I already believe that Islamic conquest of Europe is inevitable and if not that then a new rise of Fascism and Extreme Nationalism in Europe is inevitable, both of which are already rearing their ugly heads. If the west survives, then we will have a few small European nations, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea and Singapore, the last three having western influence despite having eastern culture, as for the exodus of intellectuals, technology and money from Europe to the Asia-Pacific region (the only place whose economy is really still booming)...it has already begun. As for the end of western culture, even if every nation fell...there would always be places for westerners to escape to, including: China, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, South Korea and South America.

 

[FrankZapper]

But narrow minded. The US will not leave Saudi Arabia and the UAE (and other essential oil suppliers), nor will it stop supporting Israel or fighting against Islamists in Pakistan, American public opinion would not waiver, in fact by increasing the attacks, and threatening the destruction of the US and the west as well as creating fear he is only making is position worse.

We just need a few more 9/11's across the world (which will happen definitely) and the left (including Chomsky and Moore) will be relegated to a corner with a D cap on their head (where they belong right now), and the terrorists will scare and anger America and other western nations enough to start a real war, that means the end of Islam in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, it will be replaced by a secular world with Atheists and Christians and Jews, and Buddhists, and Hindu's, and Muslims living in peace. Sounds great, keep killing westerners and finally people will get off their asses and do something about it. Really the whole 'death to America', 'death to Israel' thing isn't helping Osama reduce his enemies, its making even more.

Please remember that all I am trying to do is to figure out his motivations, not that I beleive his strategy will work. This is what he beleived would happen, and he was wrong.

you scenario depends on these nations having the moral will to say enough is enough. I'm not sure that is the case anymore.

Most do not, this is true. I already believe that Islamic conquest of Europe is inevitable and if not that then a new rise of Fascism and Extreme Nationalism in Europe is inevitable, both of which are already rearing their ugly heads. If the west survives, then we will have a few small European nations, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea and Singapore, the last three having western influence despite having eastern culture, as for the exodus of intellectuals, technology and money from Europe to the Asia-Pacific region (the only place whose economy is really still booming)...it has already begun. As for the end of western culture, even if every nation fell...there would always be places for westerners to escape to, including: China, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, South Korea and South America.

The race war has started, whites and blacks against browns. Good thing the yellows know what it's like to be nuked and are behaving themselves for now.

 

[deserter]

Its amazing to see how a person can miscalculate when figuring out what outcome will result from a certain action. I guess this is what happened to the Japanese when they thought Pearl Harbor plus one big naval battle would force the US to negotiate their new hegemony in the Pacific, Or when Saddam thought the western world would allow his annexing of Kuiwait with only a mild protest.

Bin Laden's man goal has always been the conquest of Saudi Arabia, and control of Mecca and Medina. His opposition is the House of Saud, and by exentsion the USA who backs them. (Europe as well.) He knows that the US would never support a coup lead by him, and Saudi has no military really to speak of, he knows he would be eating a Tomahawk misslle the second he exposed himself after a coup.

So he has to remove the US a player in the region. Lets forget about Israel for a moment. For Bin Laden, Jews play the same role as they did to Nazis in WWII, a good cover enemy but not the real enemy.

So Bin laden has to get the US out of SA. How to go about it? Normal conquest will not work, as he saw in the first gulf war. So what has to be done is force american opinion against being in the region. For that he looks to several strikes, such as the Lebanon Embassy bombing and Mogadishu in Somalia. From these he determines a strike on americans in large numbers would make them leave due to public pressure (it worked in those two cases.) Of course he ignores other events that didnt result in us leaving (bombing the crap out of libya comes to mind) but in his mindset he has a plan.

here is where ego comes into play. No one has struck the US on its own soil. He wants to be the first. In his mind a strike this significant will force us to run with our tails between our legs. At this point we are out of the region, and he can run his SA coup at his leisure.

to some degree u r good

But narrow minded. The US will not leave Saudi Arabia and the UAE (and other essential oil suppliers), nor will it stop supporting Israel or fighting against Islamists in Pakistan, American public opinion would not waiver, in fact by increasing the attacks, and threatening the destruction of the US and the west as well as creating fear he is only making is position worse.

We just need a few more 9/11's across the world (which will happen definitely) and the left (including Chomsky and Moore) will be relegated to a corner with a D cap on their head (where they belong right now), and the terrorists will scare and anger America and other western nations enough to start a real war, that means the end of Islam in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, it will be replaced by a secular world with Atheists and Christians and Jews, and Buddhists, and Hindu's, and Muslims living in peace. Sounds great, keep killing westerners and finally people will get off their asses and do something about it. Really the whole 'death to America', 'death to Israel' thing isn't helping Osama reduce his enemies, its making even more.

BULLSHIT,

we're able to defened ourselves , lands and beliefs and people who think as you will

bring doom to their hall culture ?

if I approved some of your words in the last post ,,that ain't mean to show me your back !

 

[hipeter924]

to some degree u r good

But narrow minded. The US will not leave Saudi Arabia and the UAE (and other essential oil suppliers), nor will it stop supporting Israel or fighting against Islamists in Pakistan, American public opinion would not waiver, in fact by increasing the attacks, and threatening the destruction of the US and the west as well as creating fear he is only making is position worse.

We just need a few more 9/11's across the world (which will happen definitely) and the left (including Chomsky and Moore) will be relegated to a corner with a D cap on their head (where they belong right now), and the terrorists will scare and anger America and other western nations enough to start a real war, that means the end of Islam in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, it will be replaced by a secular world with Atheists and Christians and Jews, and Buddhists, and Hindu's, and Muslims living in peace. Sounds great, keep killing westerners and finally people will get off their asses and do something about it. Really the whole 'death to America', 'death to Israel' thing isn't helping Osama reduce his enemies, its making even more.

BULLSHIT,

we're able to defened ourselves , lands and beliefs and people who think as you will

bring doom to their hall culture ?

if I approved some of your words in the last post ,,that ain't mean to show me your back !

If you want the reason why I think we are at war that's been pretty clear all along.

If the west wants a relative peace with the Islamic world it would have to stop spreading its religion and ideas in the Islamic world, legitimize sharia law within the Islamic world, leave all Islamic nations, and stop interfering in the Islamic world...that means leaving Israel to largely defend itself, and putting a halt to funding it.

But alternatively the west can isolate itself, if we allow Muslims to do whatever they like and not interfere, we could probably get Muslims to agree to our conditions of life in the west, so long as us non-Muslims agree to the Islamic world's conditions of life (that being Sharia Law), especially the special taxes and agree to conscription of non Muslims into the Islamic armies in the Islamic world.

As for me....well I think we should fight each other, as I want Islam to lose, and fade away, just as much as you want Allah to be the one true god and for Islam to shape and rule the world. Islam is the enemy of western civilization, and what I believe are important human rights, if I had to choose between Islam and what I have now then I bullet to the head would be the preferable alternative.

You can hate the west, but not all its people, if you study your own history you will find people like Saladin, equally in the west you find good leaders and bad ones, human kindness and dignity transcends religion and culture. I don't hate Muslims, they are simply my enemy, and if you win then I probably would convert to Islam, or die for a failed belief. That's life, you don't always get what you want, but you can try.

 

[FrankZapper]

As for me....well I think we should fight each other, as I want Islam to lose, and fade away

What kind of a douchebag thinks that by fighting islam, it'll fade away. Buddy, a bigger douche you could not be.

 

[hipeter924]

As for me....well I think we should fight each other, as I want Islam to lose, and fade away

What kind of a douchebag thinks that by fighting islam, it'll fade away. Buddy, a bigger douche you could not be.

A fight isn't just guns, it's words, pictures and how you run society. How is drawing offensive cartoons of Mohammad, criticizing Islam and the Koran, as well as trying to get people to abandon Islam not fighting Islam? You think fights are only with guns and swords? Hell no. Every time you put forth your declaration of human rights or allow women to wear clothes which offend Muslims, you are fighting Islam.

 

[FrankZapper]

As for me....well I think we should fight each other, as I want Islam to lose, and fade away

What kind of a douchebag thinks that by fighting islam, it'll fade away. Buddy, a bigger douche you could not be.

A fight isn't just guns, it's words, pictures and how you run society. How is drawing offensive cartoons of Mohammad, criticizing Islam and the Koran, as well as trying to get people to abandon Islam not fighting Islam? You think fights are only with guns and swords? Hell no. Every time you put forth your declaration of human rights or allow women to wear clothes which offend Muslims, you are fighting Islam.

Just as long as muslims haven't heard the old saying: sticks and stones...

Seriously, you think by badmouthing islam, muslims are going to say: you know, maybe he's right, we should abandon islam? Man, are you dumb.

 

[Marc39]

What kind of a douchebag thinks that by fighting islam, it'll fade away. Buddy, a bigger douche you could not be.

A fight isn't just guns, it's words, pictures and how you run society. How is drawing offensive cartoons of Mohammad, criticizing Islam and the Koran, as well as trying to get people to abandon Islam not fighting Islam? You think fights are only with guns and swords? Hell no. Every time you put forth your declaration of human rights or allow women to wear clothes which offend Muslims, you are fighting Islam.

Just as long as muslims haven't heard the old saying: sticks and stones...

Seriously, you think by badmouthing islam, muslims are going to say: you know, maybe he's right, we should abandon islam? Man, are you dumb.

Muslims are too brainwashed to recognize they follow a murderous cult invented by an illiterate pedophile killer.

 

[hipeter924]

What kind of a douchebag thinks that by fighting islam, it'll fade away. Buddy, a bigger douche you could not be.

A fight isn't just guns, it's words, pictures and how you run society. How is drawing offensive cartoons of Mohammad, criticizing Islam and the Koran, as well as trying to get people to abandon Islam not fighting Islam? You think fights are only with guns and swords? Hell no. Every time you put forth your declaration of human rights or allow women to wear clothes which offend Muslims, you are fighting Islam.

Just as long as muslims haven't heard the old saying: sticks and stones...

Seriously, you think by badmouthing islam, muslims are going to say: you know, maybe he's right, we should abandon islam? Man, are you dumb.

They do abandon Islam, there are many Muslims turned christian, or who abandon their faith altogether and become Atheist.

 

[deserter]

But narrow minded. The US will not leave Saudi Arabia and the UAE (and other essential oil suppliers), nor will it stop supporting Israel or fighting against Islamists in Pakistan, American public opinion would not waiver, in fact by increasing the attacks, and threatening the destruction of the US and the west as well as creating fear he is only making is position worse.

We just need a few more 9/11's across the world (which will happen definitely) and the left (including Chomsky and Moore) will be relegated to a corner with a D cap on their head (where they belong right now), and the terrorists will scare and anger America and other western nations enough to start a real war, that means the end of Islam in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, it will be replaced by a secular world with Atheists and Christians and Jews, and Buddhists, and Hindu's, and Muslims living in peace. Sounds great, keep killing westerners and finally people will get off their asses and do something about it. Really the whole 'death to America', 'death to Israel' thing isn't helping Osama reduce his enemies, its making even more.

BULLSHIT,

we're able to defened ourselves , lands and beliefs and people who think as you will

bring doom to their hall culture ?

if I approved some of your words in the last post ,,that ain't mean to show me your back !

If you want the reason why I think we are at war that's been pretty clear all along.

If the west wants a relative peace with the Islamic world it would have to stop spreading its religion and ideas in the Islamic world, legitimize sharia law within the Islamic world, leave all Islamic nations, and stop interfering in the Islamic world...that means leaving Israel to largely defend itself, and putting a halt to funding it.

But alternatively the west can isolate itself, if we allow Muslims to do whatever they like and not interfere, we could probably get Muslims to agree to our conditions of life in the west, so long as us non-Muslims agree to the Islamic world's conditions of life (that being Sharia Law), especially the special taxes and agree to conscription of non Muslims into the Islamic armies in the Islamic world.

As for me....well I think we should fight each other, as I want Islam to lose, and fade away, just as much as you want Allah to be the one true god and for Islam to shape and rule the world. Islam is the enemy of western civilization, and what I believe are important human rights, if I had to choose between Islam and what I have now then I bullet to the head would be the preferable alternative.

You can hate the west, but not all its people, if you study your own history you will find people like Saladin, equally in the west you find good leaders and bad ones, human kindness and dignity transcends religion and culture. I don't hate Muslims, they are simply my enemy, and if you win then I probably would convert to Islam, or die for a failed belief. That's life, you don't always get what you want, but you can try.

if this isn't a contradiction ? then I'll never find it !

 

[FrankZapper]

Bin Laden's Strategy...? is totally working.

 

[hipeter924]

BULLSHIT,

we're able to defened ourselves , lands and beliefs and people who think as you will

bring doom to their hall culture ?

if I approved some of your words in the last post ,,that ain't mean to show me your back !

If you want the reason why I think we are at war that's been pretty clear all along.

If the west wants a relative peace with the Islamic world it would have to stop spreading its religion and ideas in the Islamic world, legitimize sharia law within the Islamic world, leave all Islamic nations, and stop interfering in the Islamic world...that means leaving Israel to largely defend itself, and putting a halt to funding it.

But alternatively the west can isolate itself, if we allow Muslims to do whatever they like and not interfere, we could probably get Muslims to agree to our conditions of life in the west, so long as us non-Muslims agree to the Islamic world's conditions of life (that being Sharia Law), especially the special taxes and agree to conscription of non Muslims into the Islamic armies in the Islamic world.

As for me....well I think we should fight each other, as I want Islam to lose, and fade away, just as much as you want Allah to be the one true god and for Islam to shape and rule the world. Islam is the enemy of western civilization, and what I believe are important human rights, if I had to choose between Islam and what I have now then I bullet to the head would be the preferable alternative.

You can hate the west, but not all its people, if you study your own history you will find people like Saladin, equally in the west you find good leaders and bad ones, human kindness and dignity transcends religion and culture. I don't hate Muslims, they are simply my enemy, and if you win then I probably would convert to Islam, or die for a failed belief. That's life, you don't always get what you want, but you can try.

if this isn't a contradiction ? then I'll never find it !

What's a contradiction? The fact I would rather be dead than a Muslim, or that I can't rule out what I would do if I am ever faced with defeat.