Bill Maher Gets Owned

[daveman]

depotoo beat you to it...

Have you comprehended it yet?

Yeah... It's why I said what I did. Feel free to look back. It's the post directly before yours that says the same thing yours does. *shrugs*

My apologies.

 

[daveman]

Odd, I've never seen you bitch about the Koch brothers, or any republican Senators doing the same.

Because they're not being flaming hypocrites.

Gore wants YOU to change the way you live -- but he doesn't have to.

 

[daveman]

But it's so important to some Americans to support those oil companies.

You can move to Brazil and live in poverty if you like. No one's stopping you.

When cons run out of answers, or just can't answer, they just resort to "why don't you move there".

Funny -- I was going to say the same thing about leftists who blame oil companies.

The reason Brazil uses less oil per capita is because the poverty rate in Brazil is much, much higher.

The oil companies have nothing to do with the US using more oil per capita. Our wealth does.

 

[daveman]

1. This video is from two years ago.
2. Maher oversold it a bit, but his general point was right. A significant amount of Brazil's fuel comes from domestic ethanol.

"Oversold it a bit"?

He was wrong. It's okay; you can say it. You won't burst into flames. I promise.

He wasn't though, Brazil achieved full oil independence. They had plenty of their own, and they, more than any other country, reduced their use even of that.

Do try to keep up.

Did you even watch the video? He didn't say Brazil reduced their imports to zero. He said Brazil got off oil by switching to ethanol.

He was wrong.

 

[Mac1958]

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Maher's often funny, but he's a hateful little man. I remember him once saying, with a straight face, that "liberals are more open-minded."

No, seriously, I heard him say that.

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[daveman]

GDP = Brazil about 25% of the US.
Oil Consumption = 13% of what the US uses.

So... Essentially Brazil is damn near twice as efficient with it's oil use?

And what causes that "efficiency"?

Poverty.

List of countries by vehicles per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US has 812 motor vehicles per 1000 people.

Brazil has 259 motor vehicles per 1000 people.

Is that what you want for the US?

More and better public transportation? HELL yes!

I have no problem with that. But I see the larger point still escapes you:

Brazil has far fewer cars than the US not due to public transportation, but because fewer people can afford cars.

Is that what you want for the US?

 

[daveman]

You can move to Brazil and live in poverty if you like. No one's stopping you.

When cons run out of answers, or just can't answer, they just resort to "why don't you move there".

You don't have to move, PJ, just give up you and your families vehicles in the name of conservation. No? You lead the way for America....the journey begins with that first step.

Not gonna happen. He's more an "idea" man.

 

[depotoo]

GDP = Brazil about 25% of the US.
Oil Consumption = 13% of what the US uses.

So... Essentially Brazil is damn near twice as efficient with it's oil use?

But it's so important to some Americans to support those oil companies.

Yeah... It bothers me that Americans in general have a hard time looking to see what other countries do that might actually be helpful to us.

Don't get me wrong... This is a bullshit topic and a shitty ass way to make cheaper gas as per the video... ( We subsidize corn farmers for ethanol ) But it's obvious that they have some other things going on that perhaps we should look at.

They are number #6 in the world in consumption, even with only 254 of every thousand having cars, and an average temperature of 72-79. We are almost 4 times the cars, and average temp is 20 degrees lower, needing much more heating oil, unless you wish to people to get sick from the cold, they produce a fourth of the product we do domestically, thus less cost, and they make a fourth of what we average in pay, thus less to spend. So, in actuality, if anyone is doing it right, we are, as we are using less than 4 times what they do. Mayb they need to learn some lessons from us.

If you don't think that makes a difference, then let me sell ya a bridge in the desert, m'kay?

 

[daveman]

When cons run out of answers, or just can't answer, they just resort to "why don't you move there".

You don't have to move, PJ, just give up you and your families vehicles in the name of conservation. No? You lead the way for America....the journey begins with that first step.

You first. Build your own plumbing, pipes to clean water, your own septic system, figure out your own electricity, enforce your own contracts, protect your own property, drive your own code blue ass to the hospital, don't get mad if they don't take you, educate your children, figure out for your damned self if your meds are safe, don't EVER eat at a restaurant (you should take your chances the dishwasher doesn't have hep C, it shouldn't be guaranteed), and blaze your and your customer's own trail to your place of work / business.

You'd have a point if Meister had ever advocated the elimination of all government.

Can you post a link where he's done that? No?

Then that's a mighty fine strawman you knocked down.

 

[daveman]

Gore only made his home green when the code laws allowed him to. He'd been trying to the whole time.

How fucked up that someone would have to seek a zoning change to install solar panels. One would have to wonder what agenda would be behind the prohibition of such.

Barb, I'm sure there are links to back up what you stated, but, I'm not buying his excuse. His electric bills were posted years ago, he could have cut back on the huge amount of electricity he used, but he didn't.

Why should he have to more than anyone else? There are SO many contributors to global climate change, and the biggest of those are industrial / commercial.

Do you remember the SmokyBear PDAs, the Indian pollution PDAs?

"Only YOU" can prevent...

Well, it turns out those individualized blamefests had collective solutions, and corporate sponsors at both ends, which is why corporate responsibility was never brought up in campaigns, and while individual responsibility was applied to community problems that needed a collective response and corporate responsibility, and ONLY made possible through regulation, to fix.

Great excuse for Gore's hypocrisy.

 

[FJO]

Eh?

Brazil... Population: 196 million. Uses about 2.5 billion barrels a day of oil
United States: 310 billion. Uses about 18.5 billion barrels a day of oil

Now... that's just quick numbers. It could very well be true that Bill Maher was "owned" as it were. But just saying it and looking at the general numbers suggests that whatever Brazil is doing is... Working. o.0

Since you are so ready with statistics in order to put America in a bad light, find appropriate data to compare the number of cars owned, the number of miles of highways those cars are driven on, for starters. Then find data and compare how much oil Brazil uses for home heating in its severely cold tropical climate.

And while you are at it, provide data as to how much it costs to convert corn, bamboo or whatever into fuel.

Then go ahead and award yourself a medal for being the undisputed champion of comparing apples to oranges.

 

[FJO]

Eh?

Brazil... Population: 196 million. Uses about 2.5 billion barrels a day of oil
United States: 310 billion. Uses about 18.5 billion barrels a day of oil

Now... that's just quick numbers. It could very well be true that Bill Maher was "owned" as it were. But just saying it and looking at the general numbers suggests that whatever Brazil is doing is... Working. o.0

all those figures should be millions, not billions. But yes - Brazil is doing a lot of things right. Their politicians put the country ahead of their individual parties, and they do not deny science.

Since most of Brazil still lives in the Stone Age they don't even have an idea about science.

 

[FJO]

Quoting francoHFW:

"Brazil and the United States lead the industrial production of ethanol fuel,"

If Brazil wants to be remembered as one of the greatest waster of food by turning it into fuel (at greater cost than it's worth) let them be proud of it.

But the United States should not be part of a politically correct and expensive and idiotic movement that only a fool could love.

 

[FJO]

Eh?

Brazil... Population: 196 million. Uses about 2.5 billion barrels a day of oil
United States: 310 billion. Uses about 18.5 billion barrels a day of oil

Now... that's just quick numbers. It could very well be true that Bill Maher was "owned" as it were. But just saying it and looking at the general numbers suggests that whatever Brazil is doing is... Working. o.0

all those figures should be millions, not billions. But yes - Brazil is doing a lot of things right. Their politicians put the country ahead of their individual parties, and they do not deny science.

Oh... shit... My badd... You're right. Got it right once out of four tries. I rep you. Thank ye.

That post damaged your already shaky credibility.

But, at least you had the decency to apologize.

 

[daveman]

Gore only made his home green when the code laws allowed him to. He'd been trying to the whole time.

How fucked up that someone would have to seek a zoning change to install solar panels. One would have to wonder what agenda would be behind the prohibition of such.

Barb, I'm sure there are links to back up what you stated, but, I'm not buying his excuse. His electric bills were posted years ago, he could have cut back on the huge amount of electricity he used, but he didn't.

Kreider, June 16: The Gores’ home is certified by the US Green Building Council as a Gold LEED certified home for retrofitted homes. As part of the LEED certification process, they upgraded their windows, lighting, appliances and insulation, among other items in and around the home [...] The residence is powered with a geothermal system as well as 33-solar panels. The Gores also participate in the "Green PowerSwitch" program offered by their utility [company].

The residence is not powered by geothermal -- it's heated and cooled by geothermal.

 

[daveman]

There is X amount of dollars. The question is where it should be spent. You think I may be a socialist. You might be right, but I think there's a better solution than the zero sum game that you propose, and I happen to think that WHAT you propose is reprehensible.

If you're a socialist, yes, you would feel that way towards me, and to be honest.....I'm proud of that. The question isn't where it should be spent any longer, that ship has left the port. You wanting to take this great nation down I find to be reprehensible. Sixteen trillion in debt and counting? Several states leaning toward bankruptcies.....and there you are wanting more, and wanting my money to do it. I don't mind paying for my fair share, but, I don't want to pay for your fair share either.

Fuck you. Your money, for the most of it, is paid to the military industrial complex and corporate welfare. The infinitesimal amount spent on programs for the poor amounts to what is taken from the general fund for pizza.

I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.

-- Thomas Sowell

Can you explain that, Barb? Why do you think you're not greedy?

 

[daveman]

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Maher's often funny, but he's a hateful little man. I remember him once saying, with a straight face, that "liberals are more open-minded."

No, seriously, I heard him say that.

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Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.

-- William F. Buckley

 

[Shelzin]

all those figures should be millions, not billions. But yes - Brazil is doing a lot of things right. Their politicians put the country ahead of their individual parties, and they do not deny science.

Oh... shit... My badd... You're right. Got it right once out of four tries. I rep you. Thank ye.

That post damaged your already shaky credibility.

Ok.

But, at least you had the decency to apologize.

*laughs* I didn't apologize. I thanked someone for correcting one of my mistakes. Apology != Appreciation

You're one of those idiots who thinks Obama apologized too aren't you?

 

[FJO]

GDP = Brazil about 25% of the US.
Oil Consumption = 13% of what the US uses.

So... Essentially Brazil is damn near twice as efficient with it's oil use?

And what causes that "efficiency"?

Poverty.

List of countries by vehicles per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US has 812 motor vehicles per 1000 people.

Brazil has 259 motor vehicles per 1000 people.

Is that what you want for the US?

More and better public transportation? HELL yes!

Try to do your weekly grocery shopping using public transportation.

You will:

1. Carry one bag at a time, risking mugging.
2. Carry several bags, get hernia and still risk mugging.

Or:

Use your car, once, no hernia no mugging.

I know this is silly, but the merits of public transportation are grossly overrated. Just like Brazil's oil independence.

 

[FJO]

Oh... shit... My badd... You're right. Got it right once out of four tries. I rep you. Thank ye.

That post damaged your already shaky credibility.

Ok.

But, at least you had the decency to apologize.

*laughs* I didn't apologize. I thanked someone for correcting one of my mistakes. Apology != Appreciation

You're one of those idiots who thinks Obama apologized too aren't you?

I called you decent, so in return you call me idiot.
You are a liberal, aren't you?