Biggest Traitor in US History

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    I would argue that Robert E. Lee was for the following reasons:

    1. He rejected his US citizenship in order to join a rogue terrorist nation(little known fact, he lived out the remainder of his years on parole and never was given his citizenship back during his lifetime).

    2. He burned American flags and fought under a terrorist nation's flag.

    3. He fought to preserve the evil institution of chattel slavery and was a HUGE proponent of slavery.

    4. He murdered hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, more than Hitler, OBL, and Saddam combined.

    5. He encouraged and led hundreds of thousands of former Americans to join a rogue nation and fight for that nation against the USA.


    IF anyone can name a bigger traitor with evidence attached, I would welcome it.
     
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    You're a regular piece of work. he was nowhere near a traitor to his nation as you are factual history without a spin on it.

    He could not be a traitor to a country he renounced his citizenship to. I'll bet you need a cool, soothing ointment after THAT one.
     
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    After the war no one was considered a traitor. So end of story.
     
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    By his standard all the Founding Fathers were traitors to our mother country in that they fomented rebellion against it and broke away by force of arms with a terrorist army.

    This is just some knucklehead trying to stir up some shit.
     
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    Benedict Arnold, I think.

    He sold out his nation because he was angry with Continental Congress for not giving him a higher rank.

    Robert E. Lee did committ treason, but I think his motives were not venal.
     
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    The difference between treason and revolution is generally who wins the war. Had the founding fathers lost, they WOULD have been traitors and hung by the Bits.
     
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    I thought he set his own slaves free. The notion 'treason' is not a useful one: you don't love people because you're told to, or feel loyalty to a state you don't want to belong to.

    The believers in US Independence had been defended by a great deal of cash from British taxpayers and by the blood of British soldiers, but with the French and their allies defeated, why should they contribute to that cost? Obviously they were selfish and ungrateful, but how would it help to call them traitors to a King they didn't support? In the same way, all manner of Irishmen were hanged as 'traitors' over the years, though they'd sworn no oaths to the kings and queens of England - which would go for that Joyce for whom, I think, a contributor here names himself - an American citizen hanged as a traitor to Britain, 'Lord Haw-Haw'.

    One of my ancestors, incidentally, was one of the biggest traitors in Welsh history, from one point of view. From mine, he supported those he liked and what he believed in, though I think he was wrong. Is 'traitor' really a useful term?
     
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    True enough.

    Treason, much like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

    By calling Robert E. Lee a traitor, I am, of course, announcing my own opinion about that unfortuntate decicion of the South to declare war on the Republic.

    By suggesting that his treason was not motivated for venal reasons, I am seeking to mitigate the nature of his treason, too.

    I cannot say the same thing for ALL the leaders, generals or participants who fought for the South.

    But I think he was a honorable man who did something dishonorable for all the right reasons... as he saw them.

    It is NOT a black and white world.

    It behooves us ALL to remember that fact.
     
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    Well the Brits did consider the seperationists as traitors.
     
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    It had more to do then rank. At the battle of Albany HE won the battle but Gates took the credit. Gates did that else where as well on a routine bases. Benedict got real pissed when Washington snubbed him though.

    Doesn't change the fact he was a traitor and one of the worst, but claiming he just did it for a star is not true.
     

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