Big Government Built This Country

Londoner

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If the today's GOP was in charge during the postwar years, you would never have had the Hoover Dam or the great hydroelectric power projects conducted by Tennessee Valley Authority; you would never have had the BIG GOVERNMENT Interstate Project or the BIG GOVERNMENT Space Program (which was responsible the 80s consumer electronics boom). All these things were born of Big Government; all of them required massive spending; and all of them created the foundation for a 1/2 century of economic growth.

Ask a Talk Radio Republican if the Southwest in its current form would even exist without the Hoover Dam, and they will stare at you blankly.

Ask a Talk Radio Republican what enabled the southeastern United States to have the cheapest electricity costs in the 50s and 60s, and how postwar infrastructure projects lead to unprecedented economic growth from Tennessee to Georgia, and they will stare at you blankly.

Ask a Talk Radio Republican who harnessed the power and water of the Colorado and what that meant for economic growth in the desert southwest and California, and they will stare at you blankly. ["Wait a minute Jethro, I thought water come from God"]

Ask a Talk Radio Republican how the Big Government interstate system enabled the trucking industry to ship goods all across the country, thus creating an explosion of economic activity that would have otherwise been impossible, and they will stare at you blankly.

Ask a Talk Radio Republican how the Big Government Erie Canal project put cities like Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, and Utica on the map, and they will stare at you blankly.

Ask a Talk Radio Republican how the Big Government Space Program made America the world leader in consumer electronics, and they will stare at you blankly. [Ask them who enabled the private profits of GE or Lockhead Martin, or any company that depends on roads and electrical grids and water and government research and government subsidies and military intervention RE global resource markets, and they will stare at you blankly. Corporations have been parasites on Big Government and the tax payer since the beginning. Their current war on government is based on the fact that they don't want to acknowledge their massive debt to society]

Do you know what happened once Reagan and Movement Conservatism took over the country in 1980? They said government couldn't do anything. [I'm surprised Reagan didn't doctor the history books to say the moon landing never happened because Big Government can't do anything]. Once Reagan convinced America that Government couldn't do anything, we stopped all the big projects that made this the Greatest Nation in history. No more Hoover Dams, no more grand infrastructure projects that put whole regions on the map. When Carter said we needed to build a moonshot around alternative energy to avoid getting bankrupted in the middle east -- bankrupted by the $5 gallon; bankrupted by having to stabilize places like Iraq and Afghanistan -- Reagan convinced the nation that the Government who defeated the Nazis wasn't fit to run a laundromat. Sorry Mr. Reagan, but Big Government put a man on the moon and lead the greatest manufacturing boom in history (see WWII war manufacturing, the largest government spending program in history, which laid the foundation for America's most sustained economic growth during the 50s and 60s) -- meaning: we could have gotten out of the middle east, but we chose to listen to a president who was funded by big oil, a president who chose to enrich special interests at the expense of future generations. We gave up on trying to solve big problems as a nation. Instead, we trusted the market, which chose to swindle the nation with CDOs, Swaps, and Derivatives rather than invest in the real economy. We got punk'd.

America swallowed poison in 1980 when it traded the Government who built the Hoover Dam for the government who trusted corporations to follow greed into whatever corrupt enclave yielded the highest short term profits. Who knew they would loot the treasury (by taking systemic criminal risk), and then use their loot to convince a generation of Conservatives that they stood for freedom.

Republican Voters know not what they do.
 
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If the today's GOP was in charge during the postwar years, you would never have had the Hoover Dam or the great hydroelectric power projects conducted by Tennessee Valley Authority
This shows what a completely ignorant, imbecile CLOD you are. This was PRE WAR, done in the 30s during the Great Depression.

Idiot stick.
 
If the today's GOP was in charge during the postwar years, you would never have had the Hoover Dam or the great hydroelectric power projects conducted by Tennessee Valley Authority
This shows what a completely ignorant, imbecile CLOD you are. This was PRE WAR, done in the 30s during the Great Depression.

Idiot stick.

Do you think Big Government has ever done anything good for this country? Do you think the current anti-government hysteria ignores, say, the relationship between the Space Program and the development of technologies vital to the private sector?
 
If the today's GOP was in charge during the postwar years, you would never have had the Hoover Dam or the great hydroelectric power projects conducted by Tennessee Valley Authority
This shows what a completely ignorant, imbecile CLOD you are. This was PRE WAR, done in the 30s during the Great Depression.

Idiot stick.

~blah blah blah~
You can't get the most basic facts straight, therefore anything coming from you is suspect. Because you are a willfully ignorant, sloppy, stupid dolt.
 
If the today's GOP was in charge during the postwar years, you would never have had the Hoover Dam or the great hydroelectric power projects conducted by Tennessee Valley Authority
This shows what a completely ignorant, imbecile CLOD you are. This was PRE WAR, done in the 30s during the Great Depression.

Idiot stick.

Planning began in 1922, so post WWI, eh?
 
If the today's GOP was in charge during the postwar years, you would never have had the Hoover Dam or the great hydroelectric power projects conducted by Tennessee Valley Authority
This shows what a completely ignorant, imbecile CLOD you are. This was PRE WAR, done in the 30s during the Great Depression.

Idiot stick.

Planning began in 1922, so post WWI, eh?
:lol::lol::lol:

Like that's what the dolt is referencing. :lmao:

Hell, EVERYTHING is "postwar" if you wanna count let's say, the Revolutionary War? :rofl:
 
That you can't get even the most basic facts straight shows you are intellectually lazy, careless, sloppy and stupid. This also explains why you're a "big government" dupe.
 
The real Glaring Error in the OP's paean to the Joys of Big Government is that we'll never know to what better use the money and manpower could have been spent if left to the private sector.

If Big Government spending were the Salvation of Humanity, the Stimulus Bill and two years of deficit spending would have sent job creation through the roof...but, you know...
 
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Holy Smokes. That is some BIG GOVERMENT worshipping and some real bullshit in the OPs post.

If Republicans had been in charge you WOULDN'T OF HAD Hoover Dam..

And all of them required MASSIVE SPENDING, so I guess the Big Government went out back and PICKED all that money off their magic MONEY TREE.?

And then we get into ALL Republican staring blankly when you ask them a question.

and the rest is blaa blaa blaa..and now I go put on my boots, the chit just got deep.
 
Big government has taxpayers to thank for their largess. Remember that.

Exactly. We win when our tax dollars go to a project which provides utilities which expand the size and productivity of the nation. We lose when a political party tries to erase history in order to protect the interests of a small group of tax payers. This nation required a moonshot around conservation and alternative energy in the 70s, but it was lied to by a party which had been captured by big oil. This party convinced Americans that an "energy moonshot" was impossible because Big Government was too incompetent. Rather than being honest about the amazing accomplishments of Big Government, they lied in order to protect special interests.

We are now lying in the bed they made.
 
I'd like a link to a credible source for that.
 
You want a totally unfettered. unrestricted and especially, unopposed nanny to powder your butt, feed you gruel and tuck you into a rucksack at night.

Move to fucking CHINA! They have that there!
 
Big government has taxpayers to thank for their largess. Remember that.

Exactly. We win when our tax dollars go to a project which provides utilities which expand the size and productivity of the nation. We lose when a political party tries to erase history in order to protect the interests of a small group of tax payers. This nation required a moonshot around conservation and alternative energy in the 70s, but it was lied to by a party which had been captured by big oil. This party convinced Americans that an "energy moonshot" was impossible because Big Government was too incompetent. Rather than being honest about the amazing accomplishments of Big Government, they lied in order to protect special interests.

We are now lying in the bed they made.

oh brother. The PEOPLE of this country came up with the ideas, inventions, MONEY to make it what it is. Your dumb Big Government was the reason is pure bullshit and rather pathetic. But hey, you could probably convince SOME people of it.
 
Let's oppose the big government idea for a moment with facts not angry bumper sticker name calling.

The affordable automobile was created by business not created by big government.

The transcontinental railroad was created by VERY BIG government.

Interesting though, can't even build a stupid baseball stadium with capitalism anymore though....
 
If Big Government spending were the Salvation of Humanity, the Stimulus Bill and two years of deficit spending would have sent job creation through the roof...but, you know...

Who said anything about salvation??? Government does some things well, and other things poorly. The anti-government hysteria promoted by Movement Conservatism lacks credibility because it under-reports the accomplishments of Big Government. It does this to lower the tax burden on the interests which have captured it, not because government can't do anything well.

As for the stimulus. That was a trojan horse of tax cuts, and it was mostly used to keep the states running. It was also far too timid because Obama is weak. The Great Depression didn't end until the greatest government spending project in history- war spending for WWII, which stimulated multi-decade growth in manufacturing.

It's insane to occupy any extreme, i.e., "government can do everything", or, "government can do nothing". The Reagan Revolution devolved into the extreme position that government can do nothing. This lead to a bipartisan 30 year hollowing out of government agencies, leading to the capture of one regulatory body after another. Consequently, the fox was watching the hen house when AIG, Lehman, Goldman, and Bear burned trillions in a derivatives ponzi scheme. My point: the Right has convinced a vocal minority of talk radio listeners that government should have no regulatory function. This extreme position contributed to the financial destruction of the country.

I am suggesting that we need some balance because most talk radio republicans are not told about the major role Big Government had in building modern America. Perhaps if they knew, the public debate would not be clogged with such unproductive extremes.
 
ah so we get into the meat of this spew.

It's all about BASHING all Republicans.
I am suggesting that we need some balance because most talk radio republicans do not think government had any role in building modern America. Perhaps if they knew, the public debate would not be clogged with such unproductive extremes.

in his words, ALL REPUBLICAN are stupid and can't see anything for themselves.

screw that crap.
 
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If the today's GOP was in charge during the postwar years, you would never have had the Hoover Dam or the great hydroelectric power projects conducted by Tennessee Valley Authority; you would never have had the BIG GOVERNMENT Interstate Project or the BIG GOVERNMENT Space Program (which was responsible the 80s consumer electronics boom). All these things were born of Big Government; all of them required massive spending; and all of them created the foundation for a 1/2 century of economic growth.

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Wow!

How about we cherry pick some facts and hang them on whatever tree we wish wherever we think think they might sparkle.

Eisenhower thought the Autobahn was a good defense network and wanted that sort of thing in the USA to move military assets where needed in times of need. The Interstate System was born.

Kennedy thought that a rocket to attack Russia strong enough to be launched from the USA and carry MIRV's was a good idea so we had to "land a man on the moon and return him safely to Earth..."

Those old Jupiter Rockets in Turkey that triggered the Cuban Missile Crisis just weren't doing it for him.

The TVA and the Hoover Dam were Roosevelt projects. They hardly built the country, though. When did Bugsy decide a Las Vegas Casino might be a good idea? When did Chaplin decide the Little Tramp was an amusing charachter? If you're looking for people who built the Southwest, you might want to look to the private sector.

If you're looking for who built up Tennessee, then government is probably your answer. Tennessee is responsible for 1.72% of the US GDP. They rank at 21st among the states.

One might suppose with all that help they'd be near the top IF YOUR THESIS WAS RIGHT.
 
Right. And in your own words you may now point out anything the US federal government does on time and under budget.
Please. Look, government has a role in the essential functions of the country. Other than that it is in the way, out of control and unresponsive to the taxpayers.
What you point out in your C&P is an era long gone.
Your socialist utopia is right through that door. Go now ,please.
 

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