Biases in International Health Care Rankings

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    If you can't get service, then the quality of service only SOME people gan get really doesn't much matter when evaluating the health care SYSTEM, now, does it?

    All one need to to determine the state of our health care SYSTEM is to measure our morbity and mortality statistics versus how much we pay for those outcomes.

    The US health care SYSTEM is a mess if one assumes that the purpose of a health care SYSTEM is to keep the people healthy.

    We spend 17% of our GDP on health care. Far more than any other nation on earth both in absolute values, in share of GDP, and in terms of per capita spending.

    Yet, our national mortality and morbity stats are terrible compared to nations which spend a far smaller share of the GDP on health care.

    Why?

    It surely isn't because (as neo-cons like to chant whenever this subject comes up) that we have "the best health care in the world"

    Some of us might have the best health care in the world.

    the vast majoirity of us have fairly lousy health care in comparison to most industrialized first world nations.
     
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    Bullshit.
     
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    editec Mr. Forgot-it-All

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    Such an logically insightful and well documented response as that is somewhat difficult to respond to.

    You wouldn't care to expand on that opinion, would you?
     
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    No offense edi, but I'm with RGS on this one.

    IMO, these stats you trumpet speak more to the fact that many Americans simply lead unhealthy lifestyles and have very little to do with the quality and access to medical treatement when required.
     
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    Your claims are not correct. Simple and straight forward. Nothing to expand on. Anyone in the US can and does get medical care even if they have no money.

    Our supposed ranking in the world is a joke and has been shown to be that joke by several threads on this board in the past.

    Get back to us when the entire world is graded exactly the same on every facet of the supposed medical world. That is not true now. Not even close.

    Yup our system is so flawed people PAY to fly here for medical care from countries that rank higher then us on these supposed independent rankings. They PAY for our medical services rather then get the "free" care in their own countries.

    For those without money there are numerous groups and methods to get seen or get money or get free services. And a hell of a lot of the "uninsured" are actually uninsured BY CHOICE.
     
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    Here's a tiny slice of reality that undermines the entire "ranking" propaganda.

    Any lower-middle class American (on up) that has health insurance through his employer, enjoys access to higher quality healthcare than his counterpart in any nation with socialize medicine.
     
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    Bingo! The fact that we rank 37th in live births per 1000 right ahead of Croatia shows that this unhealthy lifestyle begins inuteral too. I'm sick and tired of these infants who want everything given to them--try working.
     
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    Oh right, like the healthiness of the host has nothing to do with the devepment of the fetus. :cuckoo:
     
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    I'm sorry buddy. Life begins at conception and so should personal responsibility.
     

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