The sketchy unreliable performance of wind and solar as Grid Energy Sources could be overcome by applying to applications that made more sense. Trying to manage and plan backups on the grid for these renewables has proven to be costly and inefficient. The Thread "1st Priority" http://www.usmessageboard.com/856374-post1.html -- got me thinking about HOW they could be put to uses that were NOT time critical but truly solved some energy intensive problems. In that thread the poster suggested Desalinization Plants as an application for renewables. Any time you can identify an energy intensive -- non-grid-tied application that does NOT require CONSTANT 24/7/365 power and where the product is STORED (like fresh water) that's a technological winner! Right now, wind and solar would NOT play a huge roll in developing an Electric Vehicle fleet because of their spikey delivery of power. But Fuel Cells are a mature technology and the PROMISE of running them cleanly on Hydrogen COULD BE MET -- if the Hydrogen factories were powered from wind and solar. Right now -- fuel cells suffer from a bait and switch problem where they are played up as cleanly running on hydrogen and producing only water vapor as a by-product. But in reality -- most large fuels are running on NAT GAS -- a fossil fuel and there is not a source of hydrogen for general transportation because of the price of electricity to produce it. Put the hydrogen factories in locations OPTIMUM for using local wind or local solar or both. And suddenly -- we got an option for transportation energy. Same opportunity for water system pumps. LARGE urban useage of power required to move clean water around. THIS -- as an isolated system might even work in less than ideal locations with adequate excess generation capacity built in. Any other NON-GRID ideas that would provide a large chunk of power? I'm pondering writing an article... Give ya full credit..