Best teotwawki...

[cnm]

By that time primers will be gone as well

The critical point.

 

[cnm]

best to be prepared when and if the ' Mongrel Mob ' comes knocking on yer door CNM .

Lol. I've led them in tree planting gangs.

 

[Marion Morrison]

What does the grouping look like @ 20 yards? Being able to hit the target is essential.

 

[fncceo]

But if you lose a few shells you didn't lose the ability to use that caliber ammunition.

Don't get me wrong, I think the judge is cool but it's not what I would take if I had to do the "bugout boogy".

It's hard to find something that does everything you want it to do...a one gun solution.

I'm still looking.

Circuit Judge is as close as I've come so far.

You might want to re-think that.

After a few years of TEOTWAWKI, supplies of modern powder will be exhausted and you'll have to start reloading with locally manufactured black powder.

The reason revolving rifles / shotguns never caught on back in the day was something called ... chain fire. While a bad thing for pistols, it's disastrous for longarms ... think about your hand on the fore-stock.

By that time primers will be gone as well and we'll all be looking for flintlocks.


Or bows

Metal cartridge ammo was originally made with 19th century machine tools and common metals.

Percussion primers have been around since the 17th Century.

Many people today are quite capable of recreating that process.

Make friends with them.

 

[Crepitus]

But if you lose a few shells you didn't lose the ability to use that caliber ammunition.

Don't get me wrong, I think the judge is cool but it's not what I would take if I had to do the "bugout boogy".

It's hard to find something that does everything you want it to do...a one gun solution.

I'm still looking.

Circuit Judge is as close as I've come so far.

You might want to re-think that.

After a few years of TEOTWAWKI, supplies of modern powder will be exhausted and you'll have to start reloading with locally manufactured black powder.

The reason revolving rifles / shotguns never caught on back in the day was something called ... chain fire. While a bad thing for pistols, it's disastrous for longarms ... think about your hand on the fore-stock.

By that time primers will be gone as well and we'll all be looking for flintlocks.


Or bows

Metal cartridge ammo was originally made with 19th century machine tools and common metals.

Percussion primers have been around since the 17th Century.

Many people today are quite capable of recreating that process.

Make friends with them.

Cartridge ammo takes an industry, not an individual.

 

[WinterBorn]

But if you lose a few shells you didn't lose the ability to use that caliber ammunition.

Don't get me wrong, I think the judge is cool but it's not what I would take if I had to do the "bugout boogy".

It's hard to find something that does everything you want it to do...a one gun solution.

I'm still looking.

Circuit Judge is as close as I've come so far.

You might want to re-think that.

After a few years of TEOTWAWKI, supplies of modern powder will be exhausted and you'll have to start reloading with locally manufactured black powder.

The reason revolving rifles / shotguns never caught on back in the day was something called ... chain fire. While a bad thing for pistols, it's disastrous for longarms ... think about your hand on the fore-stock.

By that time primers will be gone as well and we'll all be looking for flintlocks.


Or bows

Metal cartridge ammo was originally made with 19th century machine tools and common metals.

Percussion primers have been around since the 17th Century.

Many people today are quite capable of recreating that process.

Make friends with them.

Cartridge ammo takes an industry, not an individual.

It can be done by an individual. I wouldn’t load the cases to the max. But it can be done.

 

[Missourian]

But if you lose a few shells you didn't lose the ability to use that caliber ammunition.

Don't get me wrong, I think the judge is cool but it's not what I would take if I had to do the "bugout boogy".

It's hard to find something that does everything you want it to do...a one gun solution.

I'm still looking.

Circuit Judge is as close as I've come so far.

Rather than a one gun solution get a carbine or better still a lever action rifle and a revolver chambered for the same round. Something every Walmart has like 9mm or .357.

The one ammo solution.

I believe kel-tec has several that pair up nicely.

Nothing wrong with that...but, with no 22lr or shotshell capabilities, you're cutting yourself out of a lot of small game.

 

[Missourian]

But if you lose a few shells you didn't lose the ability to use that caliber ammunition.

Don't get me wrong, I think the judge is cool but it's not what I would take if I had to do the "bugout boogy".

It's hard to find something that does everything you want it to do...a one gun solution.

I'm still looking.

Circuit Judge is as close as I've come so far.

You might want to re-think that.

After a few years of TEOTWAWKI, supplies of modern powder will be exhausted and you'll have to start reloading with locally manufactured black powder.

The reason revolving rifles / shotguns never caught on back in the day was something called ... chain fire. While a bad thing for pistols, it's disastrous for longarms ... think about your hand on the fore-stock.

But the 45 Colt is a black powder round. As long as you had primers, you could reload your brass with black powder.

 

[Missourian]

But if you lose a few shells you didn't lose the ability to use that caliber ammunition.

Don't get me wrong, I think the judge is cool but it's not what I would take if I had to do the "bugout boogy".

It's hard to find something that does everything you want it to do...a one gun solution.

I'm still looking.

Circuit Judge is as close as I've come so far.

You might want to re-think that.

After a few years of TEOTWAWKI, supplies of modern powder will be exhausted and you'll have to start reloading with locally manufactured black powder.

The reason revolving rifles / shotguns never caught on back in the day was something called ... chain fire. While a bad thing for pistols, it's disastrous for longarms ... think about your hand on the fore-stock.

By that time primers will be gone as well and we'll all be looking for flintlocks.


Or bows

Metal cartridge ammo was originally made with 19th century machine tools and common metals.

Percussion primers have been around since the 17th Century.

Many people today are quite capable of recreating that process.

Make friends with them.

Just because I can make mercury fulminate doesn't mean I WANT to make it. There's a reason 'mad as a hatter' lives on as an idiom...

 

[fncceo]

But if you lose a few shells you didn't lose the ability to use that caliber ammunition.

Don't get me wrong, I think the judge is cool but it's not what I would take if I had to do the "bugout boogy".

It's hard to find something that does everything you want it to do...a one gun solution.

I'm still looking.

Circuit Judge is as close as I've come so far.

You might want to re-think that.

After a few years of TEOTWAWKI, supplies of modern powder will be exhausted and you'll have to start reloading with locally manufactured black powder.

The reason revolving rifles / shotguns never caught on back in the day was something called ... chain fire. While a bad thing for pistols, it's disastrous for longarms ... think about your hand on the fore-stock.

By that time primers will be gone as well and we'll all be looking for flintlocks.


Or bows

Metal cartridge ammo was originally made with 19th century machine tools and common metals.

Percussion primers have been around since the 17th Century.

Many people today are quite capable of recreating that process.

Make friends with them.

Cartridge ammo takes an industry, not an individual.

You'd be surprised at just what an individual can make with brains and some know how.

 

[WinterBorn]

If you think you will be shooting long enough to run out of usable brass, buy a black powder revolvers with an extra cylinder or two.

 

[fncceo]

But if you lose a few shells you didn't lose the ability to use that caliber ammunition.

Don't get me wrong, I think the judge is cool but it's not what I would take if I had to do the "bugout boogy".

It's hard to find something that does everything you want it to do...a one gun solution.

I'm still looking.

Circuit Judge is as close as I've come so far.

You might want to re-think that.

After a few years of TEOTWAWKI, supplies of modern powder will be exhausted and you'll have to start reloading with locally manufactured black powder.

The reason revolving rifles / shotguns never caught on back in the day was something called ... chain fire. While a bad thing for pistols, it's disastrous for longarms ... think about your hand on the fore-stock.

But the 45 Colt is a black powder round. As long as you had primers, you could reload your brass with black powder.

Yes, but black powder leaves a lot more residue than modern smokeless powders. That residue, when allowed to build up, could potentially trigger a chain fire that would result in a catastrophic failure. Not as dangerous as paper cartridge, but still a concern.

 

[Missourian]

If you think you will be shooting long enough to run out of usable brass, buy a black powder revolvers with an extra cylinder or two.

I've seen that doodad that makes percussion caps from aluminum cans... DIY percussion caps in five simple steps - TheGunMag - The Official Gun Magazine of the Second Amendment Foundation ...but you'd still need a priming compound.

 

[WinterBorn]

The question of running out of brass is an interesting one.

How many rounds do you have stored for teotwawki? 10k? 20k?

 

[Crepitus]

It's hard to find something that does everything you want it to do...a one gun solution.

I'm still looking.

Circuit Judge is as close as I've come so far.

You might want to re-think that.

After a few years of TEOTWAWKI, supplies of modern powder will be exhausted and you'll have to start reloading with locally manufactured black powder.

The reason revolving rifles / shotguns never caught on back in the day was something called ... chain fire. While a bad thing for pistols, it's disastrous for longarms ... think about your hand on the fore-stock.

By that time primers will be gone as well and we'll all be looking for flintlocks.


Or bows

Metal cartridge ammo was originally made with 19th century machine tools and common metals.

Percussion primers have been around since the 17th Century.

Many people today are quite capable of recreating that process.

Make friends with them.

Cartridge ammo takes an industry, not an individual.

It can be done by an individual. I wouldn’t load the cases to the max. But it can be done.

Making primers is supped to be pretty finicky. Of course I've never tried or even researched it be we are talking about manufacturing quantities of impact detonated explosive.

But I suppose it could be done if someone were determined enough.

 

[fncceo]

You might want to re-think that.

After a few years of TEOTWAWKI, supplies of modern powder will be exhausted and you'll have to start reloading with locally manufactured black powder.

The reason revolving rifles / shotguns never caught on back in the day was something called ... chain fire. While a bad thing for pistols, it's disastrous for longarms ... think about your hand on the fore-stock.

By that time primers will be gone as well and we'll all be looking for flintlocks.


Or bows

Metal cartridge ammo was originally made with 19th century machine tools and common metals.

Percussion primers have been around since the 17th Century.

Many people today are quite capable of recreating that process.

Make friends with them.

Cartridge ammo takes an industry, not an individual.

It can be done by an individual. I wouldn’t load the cases to the max. But it can be done.

Making primers is supped to be pretty finicky. Of course I've never tried or even researched it be we are talking about manufacturing quantities of impact detonated explosive.

But I suppose it could be done if someone were determined enough.

Determination is often the major factor in a survival scenario.

 

[Crepitus]

But if you lose a few shells you didn't lose the ability to use that caliber ammunition.

Don't get me wrong, I think the judge is cool but it's not what I would take if I had to do the "bugout boogy".

It's hard to find something that does everything you want it to do...a one gun solution.

I'm still looking.

Circuit Judge is as close as I've come so far.

Rather than a one gun solution get a carbine or better still a lever action rifle and a revolver chambered for the same round. Something every Walmart has like 9mm or .357.

The one ammo solution.

I believe kel-tec has several that pair up nicely.

Nothing wrong with that...but, with no 22lr or shotshell capabilities, you're cutting yourself out of a lot of small game.

Lot to be said for a .22. and ammo is certainly plentiful. I got nothing against packing one along, I was just making suggestions to the fella who wanted a "one gun solution".

 

[Crepitus]

The question of running out of brass is an interesting one.

How many rounds do you have stored for teotwawki? 10k? 20k?

If shtf hard enough that we run outta reloadable brass I'm not so sure I wanna watch anyway.

 

[WinterBorn]

The reason I asked about how many rounds people have stored is I wonder whether running out of brass is going to be an issue for anyone over 40.

If you fire 10 rounds a day for a year, that is only 3650 a year. Salvage the brass and get 3 reloads out of it, if you have 20k rounds stored, you potentially have 80k rounds. That is 21 years worth of ammo.

 

[miketx]

The reason I asked about how many rounds people have stored is I wonder whether running out of brass is going to be an issue for anyone over 40.

If you fire 10 rounds a day for a year, that is only 3650 a year. Salvage the brass and get 3 reloads out of it, if you have 20k rounds stored, you potentially have 80k rounds. That is 21 years worth of ammo.

In the day, I got 20 reloads.