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    Well, I know that it is illegal. I disageee and believe it is ynethical, and, no I could not support a politician who did that.
     
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    Like Hillary?
     
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    Sure. She is not immune from the law either. What do you think her punishment should be should she be found guilty? What proof of guilt are you prepared to present?
     
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    Since you are knowledgeable about its illegality, you will have to advise me as to the range of punishment prescribed by law. (Would you include willful destruction of subpoenaed evidence as a separate offense?)

    As to proof, I would assume the Steele dossier would be Exhibit 1. But I expect more to be forthcoming after a real investigation is completed.

    What do you think her punishment should be?
     
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    Ellen Weintraub, Commissioner of the FEC laid out the law in this tweet yesterday:

    chairwoman

    I don't think the Steele dossier is comparable to accepting stolen, hacked and purloined information from a forieyadversary. Every campaign conducts opposition research. The Steele dossier was commissioned work. Steele was hired to produce the research. He did not steal Trump information, he independently conducted an investigation. The Russians, on the other hand, hacked into the DNC computer network (a break in) and stole information. It's comparable to burglars breaking into the DNC headquarters and stealing files from filing cabinets, just like 1972 at the Watergate complex.

    As to punishment, we must agree on these premises:

    First, there are sentencing guidelines that must be adhered to.

    And second, we must agree that suspects are guilty until proven innocent.

    And finally, a President putting his thumb on the scale and calling for his opponent to be jailed is unconscionable. Nixon took heat for calling for the conviction of Charles Manson during his trial. Trump leads "Lock her up!" chants at his rallies.

    My, how times and lawfulness have changed.
     
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    But a President putting his thumb on the scale and whitewashing a serious crime by his Secretary of State is not? I consider actions to be more important than words.

    Seems to me like selective unconsionability.
     
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    Is "whataboutism" a defense or a rationale?

    With a compliant Attorney General and a penchant for retribution, why has'nt Trump prosecuted and jailed his political opponents?
     
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    Is "unconscionable" a crime or just your outrage?

    Being a "political opponent" is not a crime.
     
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    Seeking, accepting and conspiring to collect information on political opponents in and election happens to be a federal crime.

    How can it be excused? Defended? Accepted as normal?
     
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    Who did this, besides Hillary and the DNC? Please be specific as to who and what they did, and when they did it.
     

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