Bernie Sanders: We Will Raise Taxes On Anyone Making Over $29,000 To Fund Government Health Care

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    So, you are so naive you think major legislation never needs to be tweaked.

    All you have to do is like at Medicate Part D.
     
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    What we have is a system where government only pays about 2/3 of the bill for their patents, and then providers have to make that up through private insurance. Then private insurance has to increase their rates.

    This is not the end of the world for perhaps a doctors visit or maybe some therapy, but it starts becoming a major loss with $300,000 surgeries and recovery time in a hospital bed.

    Malpractice is so high in cost that your family doctor is hardly a doctor at all. Today they are more like a referral service. If you have a sore throat, you go to the ear, nose and throat specialist. If your arm hurts, you get shipped to an orthopedic specialist.

    After that, it's a half-dozen tests or so of what's known in the US as Defensive Medicine. The doctor doesn't need any of these tests for your diagnosis. They need the test results in case you hire an ambulance chaser to try and make money off of the ordeal.

    Ronald Reagan said it the best: Government is not a solution to our problems, government is the problem.

    The only right approach is to find a way to reduce healthcare costs, and then figure out how we are going to pay for it. Why is it nobody ever addressed that pragmatic approach? Because that would require getting government out of the healthcare business--not putting more in.
     
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    The problem is they knew it was a failure before it started. Their intent was to make it more inviting for employers to drop coverage for their employees.

    The plan was designed to create more government dependents. The more government dependents, the more likely Democrat voters. What a success too. The Obama White House announced they created 20 million more government dependents with Commie Care. They created another 20 million more on food stamps. Together with those two programs alone, by their own proud admission, they created 40 million more new government dependents. You think that was an accident?
     
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    LOL, Every country with more government spending , and government intervention actually spend far less than the USA does on healthcare.

    But, but, but, it must be the Governments fault, sure.
     
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    Sounds to me like you have no idea what you're talking about Flopper But take it from one of the millions of Americans who lost their employer plan, and forced to deal with Commie Care.

    Let me ask: What do you call a plan that requires 40% of your net take home pay, has a $7,500 deductible, a $7,500 out of pocket, no prescription, no dental, and a $50.00 doctor copay? Would you call that a garbage plan? Well guess what? That's what Commie Care gave me as an option to continue my treatment for my doctor and Clinic.

    Oh sure, I could get a better plan, for half my take home pay, 60% of my take home pay, but who can live on just half their income or less? Now I've had serious preexisting conditions most of my adult life. Not once have I ever had a problem getting insurance through my employer. It wasn't even a question. When Commie Care started, I lost coverage for the first time in my life of 53 years.

    Commie Care didn't do anything that you described. The only stipulation was they had to provide birth control. Like what 52 year old lady or any age male needs that? Insurance companies started dropping out within the first year Commie Care started. It had nothing to do with the Republicans.

    Insurance companies try to keep rates low as possible by taking your premium money, investing it, and using the profits to help offset some of the claims. Commie Care made it mandatory that insurance companies use at least 80% of their collected premiums on claims alone. That means they had little or nothing to invest, and Fd up their entire business model. So for course rates went up. They could no longer offset claims with investments.

    Fewer Americans Have Private Health Insurance Now Than in 2007

    Small Businesses Are Dropping Health Coverage; Large Employers Hold Steady

    Fourth Georgia hospital closes due to Obamacare payment cuts

    WEBER: Obamacare cuts home healthcare for millions of seniors
     
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    I was in the business for about ten years. What I saw was frightening . I wrote to my cousin--a research doctor about what was going on. My very liberal cousin wrote back and said, you haven't seen anything yet.

    After I changed lines of work, I found out Medicare (at the time) hired Prudential insurance to handle their claims because they were so inept to do so. Too much theft and abuse they couldn't keep up with. Private insurance companies have departments that investigate and prosecute fraud. We don't have that when it comes to government money.
     
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    That's what you call big government regulation?
     
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    Yes. I'm not surprised that you don't see it.
     
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    No, I don't. Nobody should be keeping their prices hidden like that. How would you like to go to Amazon and buy items with no prices on it? You wouldn't know what the price is until you get your credit card bill. Or you go to a gas station, and the pumps have no price per gallon? Would you want to pay more for any item you buy because somebody else is buying it for less?
     
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    I understand. You've never been a libertarian or a limited-government conservative.

    Right. And, in a sane market, consumers wouldn't deal with companies on these terms. They wouldn't buy something without knowing the price. But the health care market isn't sane, and it's BECAUSE of ill-conceived regulations like this one. Piling on with more will only make the problem worse.
     

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