Bernie Sanders wants the US to become Venezuela

[georgephillip]

"Washington’s earlier resort to a “regime change” strategy in Venezuela, Bolivia, Argentina and Ecuador failed because objective circumstances were unfavorable.

"Between 2003 to 2012 the national-populist or center-left regimes were increasing political support, their economies were growing, incomes and consumption were improving and pro-US regimes and clients had earlier collapsed under the weight of a systemic crises.

"Moreover, the negative consequences of military coups were fresh in peoples’ minds.

"Today Washington’s strategists believe that Venezuela is the easiest and most important target because of its structural vulnerabilities and because Caracas is the linchpin to Latin American integration and welfare populism."
The Official James Petras website » US and Venezuela: Decades of Defeats and Destabilization
Venezuela is being destroyed by the US in the same way Chile was in 1971.

Chile and the United States: Declassified Documents Relating to the Military Coup, September 11, 1973

 

[Lewdog]

Jesus the ignorance on this board is rampant. I've already shot down the "socialism killed Venezuela" argument in another thread.

 

[Pogo]

but dont we already have "Venezuela Like Cities" already in the USA?

I dunno but there sure are a shitload of Venezuela-like synapses in your brain. As in impoverished, with an acute shortage of toilet paper.

 

[Pogo]

Sanders is a Communist who wants to implement tried and failed policies.
Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity
Which is proof that Bernie is Insane!

Actually it's proof you just constructed a strawman.

That's about it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Very thoughtful thread. You really made your case. Except nothing you posted even tries to connect Bernie's proposed policies...instituted in the US....with anything that has or is happening in Venezuela.

Awesome job.

Oh really? How so?

 

[Pogo]

Bernie is preaching the greatness of socialism.

So what went wrong with socialism?

The culture of fear where you didnt even know if your own family members were in the secret police.

Economic socialism is fine.

It's also redundant.

What is, and how so?

"Economic socialism".

It's like "pizza pie" or "PIN number". You're saying the same thing twice.

You are trying to hide the fact of cultural socialism. Why?

I didn't even bring up "cultural socialism". There's no such thing.

"Socialism" is an economic structure. Has nothing to do with "culture".

 

[thereisnospoon]

"Venezuela Is Falling Apart"

lol

So has the thread premise.

Ahem.....Pay attention
Venezuela Is Out of Food: Here's What an Economic Collapse Really Looks Like
Venezuela’s Food Shortages Trigger Long Lines, Hunger and Looting
Price controls and scarcity force Venezuelans to turn to the black market for milk and toilet paper

 

[Lewdog]

"Venezuela Is Falling Apart"

lol

So has the thread premise.

Ahem.....Pay attention
Venezuela Is Out of Food: Here's What an Economic Collapse Really Looks Like
Venezuela’s Food Shortages Trigger Long Lines, Hunger and Looting
Price controls and scarcity force Venezuelans to turn to the black market for milk and toilet paper

The things you bring up have only very, very small bits of socialism. How about the fact that Venezuela ranks 186 out of 189 countries when it comes to friendliness of doing business with outside countries?

 

[The Great Goose]

The culture of fear where you didnt even know if your own family members were in the secret police.

Economic socialism is fine.

It's also redundant.

What is, and how so?

"Economic socialism".

It's like "pizza pie" or "PIN number". You're saying the same thing twice.

You are trying to hide the fact of cultural socialism. Why?

I didn't even bring up "cultural socialism". There's no such thing.

"Socialism" is an economic structure. Has nothing to do with "culture".

So you dont think their was a certain culture in the soviet union, east germany, and in Nazi germany? A culture that came with the socialist political system?

 

[Pogo]

It's also redundant.

What is, and how so?

"Economic socialism".

It's like "pizza pie" or "PIN number". You're saying the same thing twice.

You are trying to hide the fact of cultural socialism. Why?

I didn't even bring up "cultural socialism". There's no such thing.

"Socialism" is an economic structure. Has nothing to do with "culture".

So you dont think their was a certain culture in the soviet union, east germany, and in Nazi germany? A culture that came with the socialist political system?

Nope.

Culture has waaaay deeper roots than any political upheaval. Whatever the politics are has to adjust to that culture, not the other way 'round.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Very thoughtful thread. You really made your case. Except nothing you posted even tries to connect Bernie's proposed policies...instituted in the US....with anything that has or is happening in Venezuela.

Awesome job.

Ah......Bernie is a Socialist who promotes Socialism. Venezuela is a failed Socialist State....because..... Well....Socialism always fails.


Understand now?

 

[Pogo]

Very thoughtful thread. You really made your case. Except nothing you posted even tries to connect Bernie's proposed policies...instituted in the US....with anything that has or is happening in Venezuela.

Awesome job.

Ah......Bernie is a Socialist who promotes Socialism. Venezuela is a failed Socialist State....because..... Well....Socialism always fails.


Understand now?

If only the world were a binary Lineland.

 

[The Great Goose]

What is, and how so?

"Economic socialism".

It's like "pizza pie" or "PIN number". You're saying the same thing twice.

You are trying to hide the fact of cultural socialism. Why?

I didn't even bring up "cultural socialism". There's no such thing.

"Socialism" is an economic structure. Has nothing to do with "culture".

So you dont think their was a certain culture in the soviet union, east germany, and in Nazi germany? A culture that came with the socialist political system?

Nope.

Culture has waaaay deeper roots than any political upheaval. Whatever the politics are has to adjust to that culture, not the other way 'round.

Just stay down.

so you are saying the terrifying society of NAZI germany, where the price of failure at political intrigue, was death, or if your neighbour just didnt like you an so told the authorities you were sheltering jews, was identical to pre nazi german culture?

 

[Pogo]

"Economic socialism".

It's like "pizza pie" or "PIN number". You're saying the same thing twice.

You are trying to hide the fact of cultural socialism. Why?

I didn't even bring up "cultural socialism". There's no such thing.

"Socialism" is an economic structure. Has nothing to do with "culture".

So you dont think their was a certain culture in the soviet union, east germany, and in Nazi germany? A culture that came with the socialist political system?

Nope.

Culture has waaaay deeper roots than any political upheaval. Whatever the politics are has to adjust to that culture, not the other way 'round.

Just stay down.

so you are saying the terrifying society of NAZI germany, where the price of failure at political intrigue, was death, or if your neighbour just didnt like you an so told the authorities you were sheltering jews, was identical to pre nazi german culture?

Noooo, nothing like that. Are you drunk again?

 

[The Great Goose]

You are trying to hide the fact of cultural socialism. Why?

I didn't even bring up "cultural socialism". There's no such thing.

"Socialism" is an economic structure. Has nothing to do with "culture".

So you dont think their was a certain culture in the soviet union, east germany, and in Nazi germany? A culture that came with the socialist political system?

Nope.

Culture has waaaay deeper roots than any political upheaval. Whatever the politics are has to adjust to that culture, not the other way 'round.

Just stay down.

so you are saying the terrifying society of NAZI germany, where the price of failure at political intrigue, was death, or if your neighbour just didnt like you an so told the authorities you were sheltering jews, was identical to pre nazi german culture?

Noooo, nothing like that. Are you drunk again?

Ad hominin.

The Great Goose has won the debate!

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Very thoughtful thread. You really made your case. Except nothing you posted even tries to connect Bernie's proposed policies...instituted in the US....with anything that has or is happening in Venezuela.

Awesome job.

You are absolutely right, Bernie's form of socialism is more similar to what they practice in Greece. And there fine, right?

 

[Pogo]

I didn't even bring up "cultural socialism". There's no such thing.

"Socialism" is an economic structure. Has nothing to do with "culture".

So you dont think their was a certain culture in the soviet union, east germany, and in Nazi germany? A culture that came with the socialist political system?

Nope.

Culture has waaaay deeper roots than any political upheaval. Whatever the politics are has to adjust to that culture, not the other way 'round.

Just stay down.

so you are saying the terrifying society of NAZI germany, where the price of failure at political intrigue, was death, or if your neighbour just didnt like you an so told the authorities you were sheltering jews, was identical to pre nazi german culture?

Noooo, nothing like that. Are you drunk again?

Ad hominin.

The Great Goose has won the debate!

I didn't ad hom you, I axed if you were schnockered. And I got my answer.

 

[nat4900]

Venezuela Is Falling Apart


That's right everyone, socialist Venezuela has gone belly up. People are being arrested for stealing toilet paper because none is available and people are now going through garbage cans to eat, all because of socialism.

Save them Bernie!

Obviously, the free market must be blamed but how?

What a stupid, moronic post......I realize that some of you imbeciles come on here to "vent"....but in your case.......you're farting.

 

[nat4900]

Idiotic right wingers....listen up for a second rather than getting all your "education" from Sean hannity.....

What Sanders is proposing is a system almost exactly like the UK and almost ALL of industrialized Europe and Australia........If you think that all of our allies are "communist" then there no help for you....juts stay dumb and try not to breed little morons.

 

[Lewdog]

Very thoughtful thread. You really made your case. Except nothing you posted even tries to connect Bernie's proposed policies...instituted in the US....with anything that has or is happening in Venezuela.

Awesome job.

You are absolutely right, Bernie's form of socialism is more similar to what they practice in Greece. And there fine, right?

No, Bernie's plan is more like Denmark:

Denmark has a stable population, social cohesion, a great educational system, energy independence, fine health care including free family planning, jobs and a retirement system for everyone, comfortable housing, lovely countryside and plenty of leisure time to enjoy it. In short, why wouldn't the Danish people be happy? They have built themselves a society that looks after their citizens and gives them many reasons to be satisfied with their lives.

Denmark: Small, Happy Prosperous Families -- In Contrast to U.S.