CDZ Bereaved parents to be entitled to two weeks' paid leave from work

[Lucy Hamilton]

Then who pays for all of it?

Its in the link you provided.

A bit more info.

National Insurance rates and categories
This covers the employers contribution.

My simple maths works out that if someone is on £52k a year the employer pays around £1300 a year in National Insurance contributions.

The employee would pay £1200. This also covers the state pension as well. I dont know how it is divided between healthcare and pension.

Its a bargain compared to this.
Employers to spend about $10,000 on health care for each worker

Um, that's just 20% of the value of the NHS. If you read the article 80% comes from taxes.

You can't compare the US values that don't include the tax portion.

This shows the difference in spending in a clearer way.
Reality Check: Does UK spend half as much on health as US?

As you can see we spend a lot less on both the NHS and private. We live longer as well. The point being is that the tax burden in the UK is a lot less than in the US and you even spend more on private health as well. US healthcare is bad for business and bad for the patient.

“It is quite challenging to disentangle the share of international differences in spending driven by differences in the quantity of care used and differences in the prices paid for that care, given how difficult it is to measure quality and intensity of care,” Katherine Baicker, author of a separate editorial and dean of the Harris School of Public Policy at the University of Chicago, said by email.

U.S. health spending twice other countries' with worse results

it's easy to contain costs when you don't let people sue the health provider when they screw up and pay doctors and nurses less.

Well we are able to sue the NHS but I agree we need to spend more on the NHS than we currently do. In real terms the spend has gone down every year under our conservative government. They would prefer an American style system.

"They would prefer an American style system."

Nobody should be wanting an American style system of Healthcare, even many Americans don't even want their system of Healthcare.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

This shows the difference in spending in a clearer way.
Reality Check: Does UK spend half as much on health as US?

As you can see we spend a lot less on both the NHS and private. We live longer as well. The point being is that the tax burden in the UK is a lot less than in the US and you even spend more on private health as well. US healthcare is bad for business and bad for the patient.

“It is quite challenging to disentangle the share of international differences in spending driven by differences in the quantity of care used and differences in the prices paid for that care, given how difficult it is to measure quality and intensity of care,” Katherine Baicker, author of a separate editorial and dean of the Harris School of Public Policy at the University of Chicago, said by email.

U.S. health spending twice other countries' with worse results

it's easy to contain costs when you don't let people sue the health provider when they screw up and pay doctors and nurses less.

Well we are able to sue the NHS but I agree we need to spend more on the NHS than we currently do. In real terms the spend has gone down every year under our conservative government. They would prefer an American style system.

Suing the government in government courts.....

Yep.

Yep, heres a lawyer if you fancy it.
Suing the NHS - NHS compensation

Doesn't say anything about success.

It does.

 

[WillowTree]

Bereaved parents to be entitled to two weeks' paid leave from work

Working parents who suffer the loss of a child will now be entitled to two weeks of statutory paid leave, the government has announced.

Ministers have said the new legal right, known as Jack’s law, is the most generous parental bereavement pay offer in the world and will support 10,000 families a year in the UK.

Expected to come into force from April, it will cover all working parents who lose a child under the age of 18 or have a stillbirth, irrespective of how long an individual has been with their current employer.

I would think that the more advanced employers would offer this anyway.

I have no idea how I would cope in this situation but I dont think work would be uppermost in my thoughts. Should other measures be added to this ?

Good for old England.. Keep up the great work...

I've got to tell ya tho -- from sad personal experiences, that where you NEED "grievance pay" is losing a spouse or a parent.. Because it's ridiculously easy to bury and mourn a child compared to the LOSS of support from a spouse OR the govt/corporate hassles of handling estate matters, relocating and caring for a surviving parent.. This process approaches a FULL TIME JOB for MONTHS....

So expect ye Jolly Olde Taxes to go up, excuses to made and some embarrassment as your lemming leadership figures out they've open another hole in hull of the HMS Progressive.. And soon any citizen with a dead pet is included...

Well I dont see the connection between a dead dog and a dead child.
But this is not paid for by taxation so I think you might be confused. Going back 10 years or so my last employer gave me a weeks bereavement leave in my contract. This is ensuring that all employees enjoy the same treatment.

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Correct. When you overburden an employer with gimmie gimmes then they cut jobs and hire less people!

 

[Dr Grump]

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Forcing a company is taking away freedom. My wife had bereavement and it was nice. I did not but I took the time off anyway. I don’t believe force is the answer.

Seriously, you Americans put too much stock in 'freedom'. Sure, I get the personal freedoms, and I agree with them but even when it comes to employee benefits and employers etc, you seem to think freedom is the answer. Mexico and all the other South American shitholes prove that unfettered corporate greed and 'freedom' leads to 1% being super rich and 99% being dirt poor. There is a reason there a people trains heading north to the US border.

What needs addressing is tax. Govt takes too much tax for too little return.

One of my potential business partners was a doctor in the NHS for 10 years. Hated it. But even he said he'd have it over the US system any day. The US system is all about profit, not health. I have my moments with both the Aust. and NZ health systems. But again, would have them over the US system any day. Although, I would say the Aust. system is becoming more and more like the US system - profit over peoples' health.

 

[Dr Grump]

Bereaved parents to be entitled to two weeks' paid leave from work

Working parents who suffer the loss of a child will now be entitled to two weeks of statutory paid leave, the government has announced.

Ministers have said the new legal right, known as Jack’s law, is the most generous parental bereavement pay offer in the world and will support 10,000 families a year in the UK.

Expected to come into force from April, it will cover all working parents who lose a child under the age of 18 or have a stillbirth, irrespective of how long an individual has been with their current employer.

I would think that the more advanced employers would offer this anyway.

I have no idea how I would cope in this situation but I dont think work would be uppermost in my thoughts. Should other measures be added to this ?

Good for old England.. Keep up the great work...

I've got to tell ya tho -- from sad personal experiences, that where you NEED "grievance pay" is losing a spouse or a parent.. Because it's ridiculously easy to bury and mourn a child compared to the LOSS of support from a spouse OR the govt/corporate hassles of handling estate matters, relocating and caring for a surviving parent.. This process approaches a FULL TIME JOB for MONTHS....

So expect ye Jolly Olde Taxes to go up, excuses to made and some embarrassment as your lemming leadership figures out they've open another hole in hull of the HMS Progressive.. And soon any citizen with a dead pet is included...

Well I dont see the connection between a dead dog and a dead child.
But this is not paid for by taxation so I think you might be confused. Going back 10 years or so my last employer gave me a weeks bereavement leave in my contract. This is ensuring that all employees enjoy the same treatment.

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Its paid for by employers from cash generated by the staff they are looking after. Where is the problem ? It doesnt seem to be any different to the health insurance that your employers offer to their workers.

Voluntary verses forced.

Yeah,well if companies were fair - hell if society was fair - you wouldn't need laws or force anybody to do anything. If there were no laws some companies would pay their staff $1.50 an hour and work 100 hours a week. Don't believe me? Look at the working conditions during the industrial revolution....

 

[Dr Grump]

Suing the government in government courts.....

Yep.

If you think a judge is going to side with the govt just because they are employed by the govt you have a lot to learn about the British psyche...

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

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Forcing a company is taking away freedom. My wife had bereavement and it was nice. I did not but I took the time off anyway. I don’t believe force is the answer.

Seriously, you Americans put too much stock in 'freedom'. Sure, I get the personal freedoms, and I agree with them but even when it comes to employee benefits and employers etc, you seem to think freedom is the answer. Mexico and all the other South American shitholes prove that unfettered corporate greed and 'freedom' leads to 1% being super rich and 99% being dirt poor. There is a reason there a people trains heading north to the US border.

What needs addressing is tax. Govt takes too much tax for too little return.

One of my potential business partners was a doctor in the NHS for 10 years. Hated it. But even he said he'd have it over the US system any day. The US system is all about profit, not health. I have my moments with both the Aust. and NZ health systems. But again, would have them over the US system any day. Although, I would say the Aust. system is becoming more and more like the US system - profit over peoples' health.

A good quality of Healthcare should be considered a human right, a persons health should not be a commodity, to put profit over peoples' health is immoral.

 

[2aguy]

Then who pays for all of it?

Its in the link you provided.

A bit more info.

National Insurance rates and categories
This covers the employers contribution.

My simple maths works out that if someone is on £52k a year the employer pays around £1300 a year in National Insurance contributions.

The employee would pay £1200. This also covers the state pension as well. I dont know how it is divided between healthcare and pension.

Its a bargain compared to this.
Employers to spend about $10,000 on health care for each worker

Um, that's just 20% of the value of the NHS. If you read the article 80% comes from taxes.

You can't compare the US values that don't include the tax portion.

This shows the difference in spending in a clearer way.
Reality Check: Does UK spend half as much on health as US?

As you can see we spend a lot less on both the NHS and private. We live longer as well. The point being is that the tax burden in the UK is a lot less than in the US and you even spend more on private health as well. US healthcare is bad for business and bad for the patient.

You live safely on your island because American men and women protect you....at great sacrifice to themselves and their families......and you think you are superior?

If you didnt spend so much on bombs you would be able to have a proper system. We pay too much for defence as it is.

Those bombs protect you more than they protect us......hilary's owner, Putin, would love to have your dreary island as a vacation retreat......

 

[2aguy]

Good for old England.. Keep up the great work...

I've got to tell ya tho -- from sad personal experiences, that where you NEED "grievance pay" is losing a spouse or a parent.. Because it's ridiculously easy to bury and mourn a child compared to the LOSS of support from a spouse OR the govt/corporate hassles of handling estate matters, relocating and caring for a surviving parent.. This process approaches a FULL TIME JOB for MONTHS....

So expect ye Jolly Olde Taxes to go up, excuses to made and some embarrassment as your lemming leadership figures out they've open another hole in hull of the HMS Progressive.. And soon any citizen with a dead pet is included...

Well I dont see the connection between a dead dog and a dead child.
But this is not paid for by taxation so I think you might be confused. Going back 10 years or so my last employer gave me a weeks bereavement leave in my contract. This is ensuring that all employees enjoy the same treatment.

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Its paid for by employers from cash generated by the staff they are looking after. Where is the problem ? It doesnt seem to be any different to the health insurance that your employers offer to their workers.

The problem becomes is it adds another cost to having a person working for you, and an unpredictable cost at that. Then progressives come up with more and more things employers have to subsidize, maternity leave, paternity leave, other forms of leave, forms of insurance, etc, and sooner or later costs go up, or they will be forced to get more work out of less people.

"The problem becomes is it adds another cost to having a person working for you, and an unpredictable cost at that."

Well I would not care about that extra cost, I would be understanding and have the greatest compassion for them and would be prepared to do what I can to help them in any way possible.

Good....start your own business...hire people and give them unlimited healthcare....problem solved.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Well I dont see the connection between a dead dog and a dead child.
But this is not paid for by taxation so I think you might be confused. Going back 10 years or so my last employer gave me a weeks bereavement leave in my contract. This is ensuring that all employees enjoy the same treatment.

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Its paid for by employers from cash generated by the staff they are looking after. Where is the problem ? It doesnt seem to be any different to the health insurance that your employers offer to their workers.

The problem becomes is it adds another cost to having a person working for you, and an unpredictable cost at that. Then progressives come up with more and more things employers have to subsidize, maternity leave, paternity leave, other forms of leave, forms of insurance, etc, and sooner or later costs go up, or they will be forced to get more work out of less people.

"The problem becomes is it adds another cost to having a person working for you, and an unpredictable cost at that."

Well I would not care about that extra cost, I would be understanding and have the greatest compassion for them and would be prepared to do what I can to help them in any way possible.

Good....start your own business...hire people and give them unlimited healthcare....problem solved.

I was not meaning unlimited healthcare, I was meaning in the event a child dies. I was not responding to the rest of the comments in the post I was responding to, the other comments about maternity leave, paternity leave, other forms of leave etc, which is why I didn't highlight those comments, which is why I cut those comments out from my response, because I was responding ONLY about Bereavement Leave.

 

[Papageorgio]

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Forcing a company is taking away freedom. My wife had bereavement and it was nice. I did not but I took the time off anyway. I don’t believe force is the answer.

Seriously, you Americans put too much stock in 'freedom'. Sure, I get the personal freedoms, and I agree with them but even when it comes to employee benefits and employers etc, you seem to think freedom is the answer. Mexico and all the other South American shitholes prove that unfettered corporate greed and 'freedom' leads to 1% being super rich and 99% being dirt poor. There is a reason there a people trains heading north to the US border.

What needs addressing is tax. Govt takes too much tax for too little return.

One of my potential business partners was a doctor in the NHS for 10 years. Hated it. But even he said he'd have it over the US system any day. The US system is all about profit, not health. I have my moments with both the Aust. and NZ health systems. But again, would have them over the US system any day. Although, I would say the Aust. system is becoming more and more like the US system - profit over peoples' health.

Id take the US system over waiting to die in Britain’s system.

 

[flacaltenn]

Bereaved parents to be entitled to two weeks' paid leave from work

Working parents who suffer the loss of a child will now be entitled to two weeks of statutory paid leave, the government has announced.

Ministers have said the new legal right, known as Jack’s law, is the most generous parental bereavement pay offer in the world and will support 10,000 families a year in the UK.

Expected to come into force from April, it will cover all working parents who lose a child under the age of 18 or have a stillbirth, irrespective of how long an individual has been with their current employer.

I would think that the more advanced employers would offer this anyway.

I have no idea how I would cope in this situation but I dont think work would be uppermost in my thoughts. Should other measures be added to this ?

Good for old England.. Keep up the great work...

I've got to tell ya tho -- from sad personal experiences, that where you NEED "grievance pay" is losing a spouse or a parent.. Because it's ridiculously easy to bury and mourn a child compared to the LOSS of support from a spouse OR the govt/corporate hassles of handling estate matters, relocating and caring for a surviving parent.. This process approaches a FULL TIME JOB for MONTHS....

So expect ye Jolly Olde Taxes to go up, excuses to made and some embarrassment as your lemming leadership figures out they've open another hole in hull of the HMS Progressive.. And soon any citizen with a dead pet is included...

Well I dont see the connection between a dead dog and a dead child.
But this is not paid for by taxation so I think you might be confused. Going back 10 years or so my last employer gave me a weeks bereavement leave in my contract. This is ensuring that all employees enjoy the same treatment.

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Its paid for by employers from cash generated by the staff they are looking after. Where is the problem ? It doesnt seem to be any different to the health insurance that your employers offer to their workers.

You're pretty foggy on what corporate cash is REQUIRED to do.. The cash is NOT all "generated by the staff they looking after"... It's generated by a large number of sources. PAYROLL is usually about 20% of expenses or somewhere in that range. The other MAJORITY of the cash pays for research, travel, legal aid, utilities, property costs, govt compliance, taxes, equipment, maintenance, debt repayment -- NEED I GO ON???

The idea that EMPLOYEES ARE PAYING FOR THIS BENEFIT THEMSELVES -- is just lousy leftist thinking because they have NO FUCKING CLUE how businesses are kept alive... Until you socialists UNDERSTAND what it takes to run a large business, your fantasies about "fairness" just dont convince anyone...

 

[flacaltenn]

Good for old England.. Keep up the great work...

I've got to tell ya tho -- from sad personal experiences, that where you NEED "grievance pay" is losing a spouse or a parent.. Because it's ridiculously easy to bury and mourn a child compared to the LOSS of support from a spouse OR the govt/corporate hassles of handling estate matters, relocating and caring for a surviving parent.. This process approaches a FULL TIME JOB for MONTHS....

So expect ye Jolly Olde Taxes to go up, excuses to made and some embarrassment as your lemming leadership figures out they've open another hole in hull of the HMS Progressive.. And soon any citizen with a dead pet is included...

Well I dont see the connection between a dead dog and a dead child.
But this is not paid for by taxation so I think you might be confused. Going back 10 years or so my last employer gave me a weeks bereavement leave in my contract. This is ensuring that all employees enjoy the same treatment.

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Its paid for by employers from cash generated by the staff they are looking after. Where is the problem ? It doesnt seem to be any different to the health insurance that your employers offer to their workers.

THE DIFFERENCE IS YOURS REQUIRES FORCE AND OURS IS VOLUNTARY,,,

Employers dont give anything voluntarily.

For instance THIS ASSERTION just amplifies your ignorance of how any business operates.. The day "the people" collectively run and dictate to businesses, is the day I start writing a recipe book for tree bark...

 

[flacaltenn]

Suing the government in government courts.....

Yep.

If you think a judge is going to side with the govt just because they are employed by the govt you have a lot to learn about the British psyche...

Nobody has the time or money or patience to deal with faceless bureaucratic morons.. Life's too short... Just a visit to your local Soc Sec or Medicare office will make you a believer...

 

[Papageorgio]

Good for old England.. Keep up the great work...

I've got to tell ya tho -- from sad personal experiences, that where you NEED "grievance pay" is losing a spouse or a parent.. Because it's ridiculously easy to bury and mourn a child compared to the LOSS of support from a spouse OR the govt/corporate hassles of handling estate matters, relocating and caring for a surviving parent.. This process approaches a FULL TIME JOB for MONTHS....

So expect ye Jolly Olde Taxes to go up, excuses to made and some embarrassment as your lemming leadership figures out they've open another hole in hull of the HMS Progressive.. And soon any citizen with a dead pet is included...

Well I dont see the connection between a dead dog and a dead child.
But this is not paid for by taxation so I think you might be confused. Going back 10 years or so my last employer gave me a weeks bereavement leave in my contract. This is ensuring that all employees enjoy the same treatment.

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Its paid for by employers from cash generated by the staff they are looking after. Where is the problem ? It doesnt seem to be any different to the health insurance that your employers offer to their workers.

Voluntary verses forced.

Yeah,well if companies were fair - hell if society was fair - you wouldn't need laws or force anybody to do anything. If there were no laws some companies would pay their staff $1.50 an hour and work 100 hours a week. Don't believe me? Look at the working conditions during the industrial revolution....

Keep thinking that way and the only ones left will bee big corporations and greedy big government. Mom and pops will disappear and so will individuality. We will be faceless cogs in the government wheel. But what the hell at least we will all be treated fairly, all like crap by our governments.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Bereaved parents to be entitled to two weeks' paid leave from work

Working parents who suffer the loss of a child will now be entitled to two weeks of statutory paid leave, the government has announced.

Ministers have said the new legal right, known as Jack’s law, is the most generous parental bereavement pay offer in the world and will support 10,000 families a year in the UK.

Expected to come into force from April, it will cover all working parents who lose a child under the age of 18 or have a stillbirth, irrespective of how long an individual has been with their current employer.

I would think that the more advanced employers would offer this anyway.

I have no idea how I would cope in this situation but I dont think work would be uppermost in my thoughts. Should other measures be added to this ?

Good for old England.. Keep up the great work...

I've got to tell ya tho -- from sad personal experiences, that where you NEED "grievance pay" is losing a spouse or a parent.. Because it's ridiculously easy to bury and mourn a child compared to the LOSS of support from a spouse OR the govt/corporate hassles of handling estate matters, relocating and caring for a surviving parent.. This process approaches a FULL TIME JOB for MONTHS....

So expect ye Jolly Olde Taxes to go up, excuses to made and some embarrassment as your lemming leadership figures out they've open another hole in hull of the HMS Progressive.. And soon any citizen with a dead pet is included...

Well I dont see the connection between a dead dog and a dead child.
But this is not paid for by taxation so I think you might be confused. Going back 10 years or so my last employer gave me a weeks bereavement leave in my contract. This is ensuring that all employees enjoy the same treatment.

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Its paid for by employers from cash generated by the staff they are looking after. Where is the problem ? It doesnt seem to be any different to the health insurance that your employers offer to their workers.

You're pretty foggy on what corporate cash is REQUIRED to do.. The cash is NOT all "generated by the staff they looking after"... It's generated by a large number of sources. PAYROLL is usually about 20% of expenses or somewhere in that range. The other MAJORITY of the cash pays for research, travel, legal aid, utilities, property costs, govt compliance, taxes, equipment, maintenance, debt repayment -- NEED I GO ON???

The idea that EMPLOYEES ARE PAYING FOR THIS BENEFIT THEMSELVES -- is just lousy leftist thinking because they have NO FUCKING CLUE how businesses are kept alive... Until you socialists UNDERSTAND what it takes to run a large business, your fantasies about "fairness" just dont convince anyone...

Well you are wrong. Payroll % differ from industry to industry. It isnt a set figure and in any case is not relevant to the argument here. This is about treating people as human beings who have feelings and needs. That should be factored in to corporate thinking but isnt in many cases.
I would ask you to consider that we are in the cdz before you respond.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Well I dont see the connection between a dead dog and a dead child.
But this is not paid for by taxation so I think you might be confused. Going back 10 years or so my last employer gave me a weeks bereavement leave in my contract. This is ensuring that all employees enjoy the same treatment.

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Its paid for by employers from cash generated by the staff they are looking after. Where is the problem ? It doesnt seem to be any different to the health insurance that your employers offer to their workers.

THE DIFFERENCE IS YOURS REQUIRES FORCE AND OURS IS VOLUNTARY,,,

Employers dont give anything voluntarily.

For instance THIS ASSERTION just amplifies your ignorance of how any business operates.. The day "the people" collectively run and dictate to businesses, is the day I start writing a recipe book for tree bark...

All concessions from capital have been hard fought. Apart from where there are skills shortages and they are forced to offer better packages. None of it is given willingly.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I would think that the more advanced employers would offer this anyway.
I have no idea how I would cope in this situation but I dont think work would be uppermost in my thoughts. Should other measures be added to this ?

Hmmmm...sounds like a backdoor way of keeping corporations from supporting any right to life measures that may crop up by extending these bereavement leaves to anyone who loses a pregnancy such as through miscarriages and maybe even abortions through some "creative" law crafting.

 

[2aguy]

Good for old England.. Keep up the great work...

I've got to tell ya tho -- from sad personal experiences, that where you NEED "grievance pay" is losing a spouse or a parent.. Because it's ridiculously easy to bury and mourn a child compared to the LOSS of support from a spouse OR the govt/corporate hassles of handling estate matters, relocating and caring for a surviving parent.. This process approaches a FULL TIME JOB for MONTHS....

So expect ye Jolly Olde Taxes to go up, excuses to made and some embarrassment as your lemming leadership figures out they've open another hole in hull of the HMS Progressive.. And soon any citizen with a dead pet is included...

Well I dont see the connection between a dead dog and a dead child.
But this is not paid for by taxation so I think you might be confused. Going back 10 years or so my last employer gave me a weeks bereavement leave in my contract. This is ensuring that all employees enjoy the same treatment.

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Its paid for by employers from cash generated by the staff they are looking after. Where is the problem ? It doesnt seem to be any different to the health insurance that your employers offer to their workers.

You're pretty foggy on what corporate cash is REQUIRED to do.. The cash is NOT all "generated by the staff they looking after"... It's generated by a large number of sources. PAYROLL is usually about 20% of expenses or somewhere in that range. The other MAJORITY of the cash pays for research, travel, legal aid, utilities, property costs, govt compliance, taxes, equipment, maintenance, debt repayment -- NEED I GO ON???

The idea that EMPLOYEES ARE PAYING FOR THIS BENEFIT THEMSELVES -- is just lousy leftist thinking because they have NO FUCKING CLUE how businesses are kept alive... Until you socialists UNDERSTAND what it takes to run a large business, your fantasies about "fairness" just dont convince anyone...

Well you are wrong. Payroll % differ from industry to industry. It isnt a set figure and in any case is not relevant to the argument here. This is about treating people as human beings who have feelings and needs. That should be factored in to corporate thinking but isnt in many cases.
I would ask you to consider that we are in the cdz before you respond.

I agree.......you should be good to your employees.....you are wrong when you want government to use force to make them do these things.

 

[progressive hunter]

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Its paid for by employers from cash generated by the staff they are looking after. Where is the problem ? It doesnt seem to be any different to the health insurance that your employers offer to their workers.

THE DIFFERENCE IS YOURS REQUIRES FORCE AND OURS IS VOLUNTARY,,,

Employers dont give anything voluntarily.

For instance THIS ASSERTION just amplifies your ignorance of how any business operates.. The day "the people" collectively run and dictate to businesses, is the day I start writing a recipe book for tree bark...

All concessions from capital have been hard fought. Apart from where there are skills shortages and they are forced to offer better packages. None of it is given willingly.

maybe in your shithole country its not given willingly,,but you guys are a bunch of selfish pricks,,,but here in america employers are happy to do it