Benedict Arnold...

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    ...that's what the pro-2nd amendment folks will be calling me by the end of this post...but I was extremely disturbed by something that took place last night...and I wanted to share it, and discuss it rationally.

    As some of you know, I have expressed reservations in the past regarding the private sale exception. For those of you who don't, here is a link:

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...laws-discussion-and-debate-7.html#post4001890

    SO, here is my story, and forgive me if I get a little long winded...

    My wife really, really wanted her own AR15.

    We have one already, but I bought it 20 years ago, long before she was into guns and shooting, and I set it up for what I intended to use it for...long rang target shooting and coyote control.

    That made it extremely heavy and my Angel is a little girl...it is uncomfortable for her to shoot in any position but prone.

    She was afraid that with all the idiot gun grabbers clamoring for another ridiculous weapons ban, that she wasn't going to be able to get one of her own.

    As you know, when momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy...I started the hunt.

    Of course, every store, pawn shop and internet source is out of stock of everything AR related, and I knew this going in...so I started calling friends, and they called their friends, and by six pm, I had a hit...a friend of a friend had just bought an AR from a guy who had two more for sale...here's his number.

    I call the fella...yes, he has one; Sure, he can meet me.

    We meet at Wal-mart...and here is the disturbing part...

    The Seller doesn't ask me a single question.

    No inquiry of whether I can legally purchase a firearm, of if I am a felon, or even if I am a resident of the state.

    I know what you are thinking, I could have just lied...and that's true, I could, and that's a huge problem too...but on this subject, for the private sale exception to work, we as gun owners must police ourselves.

    We have to find a way to screen private sale purchasers WITHOUT creating a de facto firearm registry.

    I have a few proposals, but I'd like to here your thoughts first...
     
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    Did you buy it?
     
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    Yes, I did, after a discussion like the one we're having now.
     
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    The seller was introduced to you through friends though, correct? Or would he have sold it to anyone who came up to him in the parking lot?
     
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    Very interesting scenario and question, and a thorny one.

    I don't have a fully thought-out answer yet, but I hope the usual emotionalism about this topic doesn't infest the thread before I do.
     
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    If the transaction was illegal, both of you are de facto criminals. And, if prosecuted and convicted, both of you risked prison and losing the ability to ever legally own a firearm again.
     
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    The sellers number was given to me from a friend of mine, who received it from a friend of his to whom I am neither acquainted nor known. Further, the seller was only known by any party through a firearm sale.

    As I understand it, the seller mentioned to my friends friend that he had another AR to sell. That was the only relationship.

    That's a long way of saying, he was trying to sell it to anyone.
     
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    Which proves the point that if a criminal is looking to purchase a weapon, NO NEW LAWS will stop him as there are numerous individuals out there like the one you're describing willing to sell to anyone!
     
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    The transaction was legal.

    It was legal because I am a resident of the state and so is he (I inquired).

    It is legal because I can legally own the firearm.

    It is legal because I can pass a federal firearm background check...I just bought a single shot 30/30 NEF HandiRifle two weeks ago from an FFL (Federal Firearm License holder)

    I knew all this...the point of this thread is that the seller never asked me a single question.

    He, as a private seller has a responsibility to perform his due diligence to complete this kind of transaction.

    I volunteered the information he needed unelicited, and then explained it's importance in a way he would understand it...that he could go to federal prison for failure to ask some simple questions.
     

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