Benazir Bhutto Shot Dead!

[maineman]

why is it his moral and ethical obligation to protect her.....

for the same reason that some presidential candidates get secret service protection in America.

 

[manu1959]

for the same reason that some presidential candidates get secret service protection in America.

that is required by us law....it is not a moral and ethical decission......

is there such a law in paki?.....no......you said it was a moral and ethical obligation.....why?

 

[maineman]

that is required by us law....it is not a moral and ethical decission......

is there such a law in paki?.....no......you said it was a moral and ethical obligation.....why?

it is not required by law for candidates in primary fields to get secret service protection. some have it ...some do not.

 

[akiboy]

I am with Ms Kathianne here. Al Qaeda number 2 Ayman Al Zawqahiri is aid to have masterminded the attack on Bhutto.The fact that she is Western educated(Oxford and Harvard) made her a prime target for the Al QAEDA. And Al Qaeda cannot have a pro western leader running the only Islamic nuclear power. Musharraf will go the same way too. Or he might just get toppled in a Islamic coup.
The date of Bhutto's assassination was also fixed in October itself. NDTV reported that 4-5 groups volunteered to carry out the attack but a 20 year old man (from the Laskar E Jhangvi) succeeded in shooting Bhutto. Now ,one thing is for cerain. Musharraf had nothing to do with this. This is surely the work of Al Qaeda and the numerous Kashmiri terror groups.

 

[manu1959]

it is not required by law for candidates in primary fields to get secret service protection. some have it ...some do not.

so why would mushareff be required to protect her.....

as for the us, it is the law that if you request the ss protect you they are required to protect you....

 

[tigerbob]

I am with Ms Kathianne here. Al Qaeda number 2 Ayman Al Zawqahiri is aid to have masterminded the attack on Bhutto.The fact that she is Western educated(Oxford and Harvard) made her a prime target for the Al QAEDA. And Al Qaeda cannot have a pro western leader running the only Islamic nuclear power. Musharraf will go the same way too. Or he might just get toppled in a Islamic coup.
The date of Bhutto's assassination was also fixed in October itself. NDTV reported that 4-5 groups volunteered to carry out the attack but a 20 year old man (from the Laskar E Jhangvi) succeeded in shooting Bhutto. Now ,one thing is for cerain. Musharraf had nothing to do with this. This is surely the work of Al Qaeda and the numerous Kashmiri terror groups.

More than just her Western education and pro-western stance, what further aggravated Al Qaeda is her stated policy of allowing US/British troops to pursue suspected insurgents across the border from Afghanistan to Pakistan.

This issue was one never satisfactorily grasped by Musharraf. Such a step would have gone a long way to choking off AQ's lines of supply.

That's 4 members of the Bhutto family killed.

 

[jillian]

so why would mushareff be required to protect her.....

as for the us, it is the law that if you request the ss protect you they are required to protect you....

It's more that he made assurances to our government about her protection.

 

[maineman]

so why would mushareff be required to protect her.....

as for the us, it is the law that if you request the ss protect you they are required to protect you....

are you suggesting that Barack Obama requested SS protection?

 

[Annie]

are you suggesting that Barack Obama requested SS protection?

I don't think he requested it, though Durbin might have:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/371929,CST-NWS-pelosi05.article

 

[maineman]

so if I ask them for SS protection for, let's say, Dennis Kucinich, he'll get it?

 

[Annie]

so if I ask them for SS protection for, let's say, Dennis Kucinich, he'll get it?

According to this, he did request it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18474444/

Secret Service protecting Obama
'Not aware it was based on any threat,' agency spokesman says
NBC News and news services
updated 8:11 p.m. CT, Thurs., May. 3, 2007

WASHINGTON - The Secret Service said Thursday that Sen. Barack Obama was being placed under their protection, the earliest ever for a presidential candidate.

Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff authorized Obama’s protection after consultations with the congressional advisory committee.

Officials said Obama had requested the protection. Such requests are then sent to the congressional panel for approval or rejection....

 

[AllieBaba]

I know, I don't know why anyone's talking about Islamic terrorists on this one. Seems clear that even if it was, the "layers of police protection" that Musharraf was supposed to be making sure she had, had a real funny way of breaking down suddenly.

I think it's a huge loss.

Because Islamic terrorists claimed responsibility for it. And because suicide bombers are generally Islamic terrorists.

And I find it sort of odd that instead of blaming the people who actually commit the crime, you seem more interested in blaming others.

The fact of the matter is, there is no police protection on earth that is sufficient to protect a human from a truly committed psychopath.

 

[Adam's Apple]

Nothing like stacking the odds in one's favor to win an election.

The only vote that counts in Pakistan's "democracy"
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/toons/lowe/lowe.asp

 

[Toro]

"The microcosm of America that was destroyed on September 11—people of all races, ethnicities and religions—is everything the extremists abhor: men and women, working side by side as equals; Muslims, Christians, Jews and Hindus, together building worldwide trade and communications. America is a symbol of what can be to millions of oppressed people all over the world. America means everything to those deprived of human rights and the rule of law. America symbolizes modernity, diversity and democracy, and it is these three things which are the fanatics´ worst fears.

At this time of continuing crisis, the American people and their leaders must understand that those who would use violence and terror in the name of Islam are heretics and hypocrites. They are criminals, not clerics. Their actions contradict the teachings of the Holy Prophet of Islam, who wrote, ´Whenever the prophet of God sent forth a detachment, he said to it, ´Do not cheat or commit treachery, nor should you mutilate or kill children, women, or old men.´´ And there is a specific prohibition in Islamic law that bans killing by stealth and targeting a defenseless victim in a way intended to cause terror in a society.

It grieves me that included in the list of the victims of the perfidy of September 11 is the image of Islam across the world. Our religion is not what these people preach; in fact, it is the opposite. Islam is committed to tolerance and equality, and it is committed by Koranic definition to the principles of democracy. It is ironic that despite the strong commitment to democracy in Islam, most Muslims today are living in dictatorships. The Muslim people want freedom, and they need support in their search for political, economic and social empowerment. Much like the people of the communist world of the past, the Muslim people today are hostages in totalitarian regimes that flourished during the days of the Cold War.

In the West, there is often talk about the ´Muslim street.´ The street most often seen here on television is the street of fanaticism whipped into a frenzy. But there is another Muslim street. It is a silent street of women who suffer discrimination in every aspect of life. It is a silent street of students who are not educated. It is a silent street of businessmen and businesswomen who are not allowed to compete freely. It is a silent street of human rights activists who are jailed, political parties that are decimated, and political leaders who are either prisoners or exiles. It is the street of the people constrained by the totalitarian powers of the state. It is the street of the future in the chains of present-day intolerance, ignorance and dictatorship. And it is the street far more likely to explode than the street of the religious extremists."

As I said, in Islam, dictatorship is never condoned. Nor is cruelty. In fact, according to Islam, those who commit cruel acts are condemned to destruction. Irrespective of the ignorance reflected in the actions of fanatics, there are three key princples in Islam that point to democracy: consultation, known as shura; consensus, known as ijmaa; and independent judgement, known as ijtihad. Today the Muslim people are searching for freedoms that exist in other parts of the world. They are searching for forms of government that are representative and accountable. Just as Christians and Jews have the Bible to guide them, Muslims have the holy Koran. The Koran makes it clear that the principal operations of the democratic process—consultation between elected officials and the people and accountability of leaders to the people—are fundamental to Islam. The holy Koran says that Islamic society is contingent on mutual advice, through mutual discussions, on an equal footing. Consultation under the Koran demands that public decisions are made by representative officials. Consensus provides the basis for majority rule. And according to Muslim scholars, the legitimacy of the state depends upon the extent to which state organization and power reflect the will of the Muslim people.

Now this is the exact opposite of the fanatical, ignorant message that is spread by bin Laden, the Taliban and their allies in hate. These despots are the enemies of all civilizations. The terrorists who attacked America were not fighting for Islam. They were fighting for themselves. Their goal is to establish interlinked theocracies of ignorance that they can control for their own political ends. They are the enemies of Western principles, and they are the enemies of all humanity. In the end, they will be defeated. And, just as something more than arms defeated Communism, the terrorists will ultimately be defeated by basic and universal human nature. In the words of the former Czech president, Vaclav Havel, in his essay "The End of the Modern Era": "Communism was not defeated by military force, but by the human spirit, by conscience, by the resistance of man to manipulation."

Terrorism will fail unless we fall into the psychopaths' trap. Professor Samuel Huntington of Harvard wrote of an inevitable clash of civilizations between the West and the Islamic world. Ladies and gentlemen, this clash is far from inevitable, unless we make it so…

Benazir Bhutto.

http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2002&month=10

 

[Taomon]

Yup.

Al-Qaeda takes responsibility. Surprise, surprise.

And if you believe that one I have a bridge to sell you

 

[Toro]

And if you believe that one I have a bridge to sell you

Where?

 

[Taomon]

Where?

Brooklyn

 

[Toro]

I already own that one.

 

[Taomon]

I already own that one.

 

[Paulie]

Mighty coincidental if Musharref WASN'T behind it.

But that's a conspiracy theory.

It's ok to say that THEIR government would plot an assassination to get rid of undesired competition, but not ours? Our government has benefitted from VARIOUS events that are shrouded in conspiracy theory just as much as Musharraf's government benefitted from this.

It's almost enough to make a Ron Paul supporter out of me. Get the hell out of the middle east. The world will be a better place once they've all killed each other off.

It's refreshing to see you say something like this. It's also ironic as well, considering all the non-stop media coverage of this, and the ensuing op-ed's about how now we need a candidate that has the foreign policy experience to deal with this situation...as if it's our business in the first place. We shouldn't have been intervening in the country to BEGIN with.

Good for you for seeing past that propaganda.