Believing In A God Is Evil

[HUGGY]

I understand Huggy's program. He can't prove that God does not exist, so he wants believers to prove to him something he will not believe anyway. And, yes, I believe his ulterior motive is to take away the believers' right to discuss religious values in the public forum.

I'm just here doing a public service. God stories offer you more. I offer you less but it is the truth.

I'm not here to suggest that any one of you waste a single second "following" my path. I am here suggesting that the time you have on this earth is ALL of the time you will EVER have and to waste even a second of that most precious commodity is a crime.

God is a silly lie but the "heaven" lie is the dangerous one. It sucks people into hedging a bet on a ticket that will NEVER get cashed in. There is no collection window when you die. There is less than nothing. You will not lie there cold in pitch darkness in a box underground. YOU will not exist any more in any form. Your only future after you die is in the minds of those that knew you. That is but a shadow...a reflection of who you are anyway. No one really knows anyone 100%.

There is certainly nothing wrong with doing good for your fellow man with the limited time you have here on earth. If you are doing all this good believing you will have an eternity somewhere for your efforts then you have just wasted your time.

Haven't any of you noticed a striking resemblance between a church and a gambling casino?

They don't build those big impressive casinos because the house is losing. Those churches didn't come cheap either.

 

[HUGGY]

Huggy's argument deserves not even that.

My argument deserves some consideration if only it will get someone maybe even you to stop wasting your time and resources hoping to get to a make believe place called heaven.

 

[Dot Com]

Agree

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[BreezeWood]

I am here suggesting that the time you have on this earth is ALL of the time you will EVER have and to waste even a second of that most precious commodity is a crime.

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your arguments for evolution, projected by you as only a physical alteration would also seem a waste of time than just remaining forever the same ... or that the precursor to change is not a Spiritual evolvement as well.

to bad for you.

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[HUGGY]

I am here suggesting that the time you have on this earth is ALL of the time you will EVER have and to waste even a second of that most precious commodity is a crime.

.
your arguments for evolution, projected by you as only a physical alteration would also seem a waste of time than just remaining forever the same ... or that the precursor to change is not a Spiritual evolvement as well.

to bad for you.

.

Most religious people do not "evolve". They submit. "Give themselves to God and Jesus". "God's plan for me" Etc....

Calling THAT spiritual evolution is more like the cow that is climbing the ramp into the slaughterhouse for freedom.

The only aspect of submitting to a religion that vaguely resembles evolution is that most people do it out of fear. Fear plays a significant part in much evolution in that escaping from a predator forces change. Some evolution occurs when taking abnormal chances finding something to eat which is a reaction to the fear of starving to death.

The fear of dying and given false hope of an afterlife is very strong in Jews, Christians and Muslims.

Even Buddhism promises an afterlife in the form of reincarnation.

Most religion backs up the afterlife scam by offering some sort of prayer or holiday to acknowledge the departed.

 

[BreezeWood]

I am here suggesting that the time you have on this earth is ALL of the time you will EVER have and to waste even a second of that most precious commodity is a crime.

.
your arguments for evolution, projected by you as only a physical alteration would also seem a waste of time than just remaining forever the same ... or that the precursor to change is not a Spiritual evolvement as well.

to bad for you.

.

Most religious people do not "evolve". They submit. "Give themselves to God and Jesus". "God's plan for me" Etc....

Calling THAT spiritual evolution is more like the cow that is climbing the ramp into the slaughterhouse for freedom.

The only aspect of submitting to a religion that vaguely resembles evolution is that most people do it out of fear. Fear plays a significant part in much evolution in that escaping from a predator forces change. Some evolution occurs when taking abnormal chances finding something to eat which is a reaction to the fear of starving to death.

The fear of dying and given false hope of an afterlife is very strong in Jews, Christians and Muslims.

Even Buddhism promises an afterlife in the form of reincarnation.

Most religion backs up the afterlife scam by offering some sort of prayer or holiday to acknowledge the departed.

.

Calling THAT spiritual evolution is more like the cow that is climbing the ramp into the slaughterhouse for freedom.

it is an abdication that at first glance seems to reflect your own earlier comment ...

The only aspect of submitting to a religion that vaguely resembles evolution is that most people do it out of fear. Fear plays a significant part in much evolution in that escaping from a predator forces change. Some evolution occurs when taking abnormal chances finding something to eat which is a reaction to the fear of starving to death.

anotherwords there is a Spiritual component associated with evolution that then translates to physical change ... and (perhaps) there is a repository, the Everlasting where the Spiritual evolution to Life begins and which may be readmitted after the present physiology perishes.

and therefore for a Spirit a life without physical restraint is not only possible but a goal if so desired.

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[HUGGY]

I am here suggesting that the time you have on this earth is ALL of the time you will EVER have and to waste even a second of that most precious commodity is a crime.

.
your arguments for evolution, projected by you as only a physical alteration would also seem a waste of time than just remaining forever the same ... or that the precursor to change is not a Spiritual evolvement as well.

to bad for you.

.

Most religious people do not "evolve". They submit. "Give themselves to God and Jesus". "God's plan for me" Etc....

Calling THAT spiritual evolution is more like the cow that is climbing the ramp into the slaughterhouse for freedom.

The only aspect of submitting to a religion that vaguely resembles evolution is that most people do it out of fear. Fear plays a significant part in much evolution in that escaping from a predator forces change. Some evolution occurs when taking abnormal chances finding something to eat which is a reaction to the fear of starving to death.

The fear of dying and given false hope of an afterlife is very strong in Jews, Christians and Muslims.

Even Buddhism promises an afterlife in the form of reincarnation.

Most religion backs up the afterlife scam by offering some sort of prayer or holiday to acknowledge the departed.

.

Calling THAT spiritual evolution is more like the cow that is climbing the ramp into the slaughterhouse for freedom.

it is an abdication that at first glance seems to reflect your own earlier comment ...

The only aspect of submitting to a religion that vaguely resembles evolution is that most people do it out of fear. Fear plays a significant part in much evolution in that escaping from a predator forces change. Some evolution occurs when taking abnormal chances finding something to eat which is a reaction to the fear of starving to death.

anotherwords there is a Spiritual component associated with evolution that then translates to physical change ... and (perhaps) there is a repository, the Everlasting where the Spiritual evolution to Life begins and which may be readmitted after the present physiology perishes.

and therefore for a Spirit a life without physical restraint is not only possible but a goal if so desired.

.

You actually believe that if you play your cards right you become a spiritual entity so when you die you are able to scoot around in spirit form? Because you "desire" it to be so?

Sure you can Sport. Ya...you should really go with that. You should COUNT on it.

I suppose you label all your advances towards this pie in the sky evolution.

I see it as levels of brain washing. You are just step by step making yourself insane. I could see you eventually reaching a level of complete belief like those nitwits that flew the planes into the towers on 9/11. Instead of believing some trash about a bunch of virgins you of course being so much more reasonable will go to heaven and see your relatives and pets that died.

You idiots think the Muslims are stupid because instead of YOUR version of heaven they get suckered in with the kind of rewards a third world goat herder would long for.

What BOTH of you can't see is that it isn't the reward that's stupid... it's the same belief you both have that you will get any reward at all after you die. Both of you have been brainwashed to a level that you are both clinically insane.

 

[HUGGY]

See that chawawa and great Dane? They both came from wolves. We did that over hundreds of years. So imagine what nature can do over millions of years.

There's your theory in a nutshell - IMAGINE. And the dog reference? Did the wolf, the "Chihuahua" and the Great Dane evolve into another species? No. If you have a provable case where this ever happened let's see it.

If for some natural cause all the large dogs and wolves died and all that was left was chihuahuas then we could see clearly how evolution works in our own life time. This or that variant survives and the survivor may not look anything like what generally preceded it. This process has a lot to do with specific regions also. There is much evidence that the dolphins were land animals a long time ago. Whales too. They very well could have been forced to go into the water to get food or elude predators and over time the ones that could swim the best survived and changed to suit their new environment. That was Darwins observation with the finches with the extraordinary large beaks that allowed them to eat the larger berries and nuts in the Galapagos. Birds tend to mate based on physical appearance. The well fed finches were obviously more desirable to mate with than those that struggled to eat and stay healthy.

 

[HUGGY]

The OP is morally insane. Huggy has a right to not believe. Others have a right to believe. That's the Constitutional perogative of our country's citizens.

Anyone who interferes with those rights are operated by criminal intent and charged with criminal conspiracy.

It's more like you have the right to believe anything you want. You have the right to believe crazy ideas. If you go too far into a crazy belief then you become what you believe..crazy. Yes you have the right to be crazy. You can only take it so far though. Some would probably ague that Jim Jones and David Koresh were good Christians and they had every right to their beliefs.

 

[BreezeWood]

I am here suggesting that the time you have on this earth is ALL of the time you will EVER have and to waste even a second of that most precious commodity is a crime.

.
your arguments for evolution, projected by you as only a physical alteration would also seem a waste of time than just remaining forever the same ... or that the precursor to change is not a Spiritual evolvement as well.

to bad for you.

.

Most religious people do not "evolve". They submit. "Give themselves to God and Jesus". "God's plan for me" Etc....

Calling THAT spiritual evolution is more like the cow that is climbing the ramp into the slaughterhouse for freedom.

The only aspect of submitting to a religion that vaguely resembles evolution is that most people do it out of fear. Fear plays a significant part in much evolution in that escaping from a predator forces change. Some evolution occurs when taking abnormal chances finding something to eat which is a reaction to the fear of starving to death.

The fear of dying and given false hope of an afterlife is very strong in Jews, Christians and Muslims.

Even Buddhism promises an afterlife in the form of reincarnation.

Most religion backs up the afterlife scam by offering some sort of prayer or holiday to acknowledge the departed.

.

Calling THAT spiritual evolution is more like the cow that is climbing the ramp into the slaughterhouse for freedom.

it is an abdication that at first glance seems to reflect your own earlier comment ...

The only aspect of submitting to a religion that vaguely resembles evolution is that most people do it out of fear. Fear plays a significant part in much evolution in that escaping from a predator forces change. Some evolution occurs when taking abnormal chances finding something to eat which is a reaction to the fear of starving to death.

anotherwords there is a Spiritual component associated with evolution that then translates to physical change ... and (perhaps) there is a repository, the Everlasting where the Spiritual evolution to Life begins and which may be readmitted after the present physiology perishes.

and therefore for a Spirit a life without physical restraint is not only possible but a goal if so desired.

.

You actually believe that if you play your cards right you become a spiritual entity so when you die you are able to scoot around in spirit form? Because you "desire" it to be so?

Sure you can Sport. Ya...you should really go with that. You should COUNT on it.

I suppose you label all your advances towards this pie in the sky evolution.

I see it as levels of brain washing. You are just step by step making yourself insane. I could see you eventually reaching a level of complete belief like those nitwits that flew the planes into the towers on 9/11. Instead of believing some trash about a bunch of virgins you of course being so much more reasonable will go to heaven and see your relatives and pets that died.

You idiots think the Muslims are stupid because instead of YOUR version of heaven they get suckered in with the kind of rewards a third world goat herder would long for.

What BOTH of you can't see is that it isn't the reward that's stupid... it's the same belief you both have that you will get any reward at all after you die. Both of you have been brainwashed to a level that you are both clinically insane.

.
what causes the changes you refer to as evolution, not to the same specimen but from one to the next ?

what is the process, evolution you are talking about - if it is not Spiritual ?

.

 

[S.J.]

See that chawawa and great Dane? They both came from wolves. We did that over hundreds of years. So imagine what nature can do over millions of years.

There's your theory in a nutshell - IMAGINE. And the dog reference? Did the wolf, the "Chihuahua" and the Great Dane evolve into another species? No. If you have a provable case where this ever happened let's see it.

If for some natural cause all the large dogs and wolves died and all that was left was chihuahuas then we could see clearly how evolution works in our own life time. This or that variant survives and the survivor may not look anything like what generally preceded it. This process has a lot to do with specific regions also. There is much evidence that the dolphins were land animals a long time ago. Whales too. They very well could have been forced to go into the water to get food or elude predators and over time the ones that could swim the best survived and changed to suit their new environment. That was Darwins observation with the finches with the extraordinary large beaks that allowed them to eat the larger berries and nuts in the Galapagos. Birds tend to mate based on physical appearance. The well fed finches were obviously more desirable to mate with than those that struggled to eat and stay healthy.

So the dogs didn't transform into cats or some other species, you're guessing about dolphins and whales, and you call that proof?

 

[HUGGY]

I am here suggesting that the time you have on this earth is ALL of the time you will EVER have and to waste even a second of that most precious commodity is a crime.

.
your arguments for evolution, projected by you as only a physical alteration would also seem a waste of time than just remaining forever the same ... or that the precursor to change is not a Spiritual evolvement as well.

to bad for you.

.

Most religious people do not "evolve". They submit. "Give themselves to God and Jesus". "God's plan for me" Etc....

Calling THAT spiritual evolution is more like the cow that is climbing the ramp into the slaughterhouse for freedom.

The only aspect of submitting to a religion that vaguely resembles evolution is that most people do it out of fear. Fear plays a significant part in much evolution in that escaping from a predator forces change. Some evolution occurs when taking abnormal chances finding something to eat which is a reaction to the fear of starving to death.

The fear of dying and given false hope of an afterlife is very strong in Jews, Christians and Muslims.

Even Buddhism promises an afterlife in the form of reincarnation.

Most religion backs up the afterlife scam by offering some sort of prayer or holiday to acknowledge the departed.

.

Calling THAT spiritual evolution is more like the cow that is climbing the ramp into the slaughterhouse for freedom.

it is an abdication that at first glance seems to reflect your own earlier comment ...

The only aspect of submitting to a religion that vaguely resembles evolution is that most people do it out of fear. Fear plays a significant part in much evolution in that escaping from a predator forces change. Some evolution occurs when taking abnormal chances finding something to eat which is a reaction to the fear of starving to death.

anotherwords there is a Spiritual component associated with evolution that then translates to physical change ... and (perhaps) there is a repository, the Everlasting where the Spiritual evolution to Life begins and which may be readmitted after the present physiology perishes.

and therefore for a Spirit a life without physical restraint is not only possible but a goal if so desired.

.

You actually believe that if you play your cards right you become a spiritual entity so when you die you are able to scoot around in spirit form? Because you "desire" it to be so?

Sure you can Sport. Ya...you should really go with that. You should COUNT on it.

I suppose you label all your advances towards this pie in the sky evolution.

I see it as levels of brain washing. You are just step by step making yourself insane. I could see you eventually reaching a level of complete belief like those nitwits that flew the planes into the towers on 9/11. Instead of believing some trash about a bunch of virgins you of course being so much more reasonable will go to heaven and see your relatives and pets that died.

You idiots think the Muslims are stupid because instead of YOUR version of heaven they get suckered in with the kind of rewards a third world goat herder would long for.

What BOTH of you can't see is that it isn't the reward that's stupid... it's the same belief you both have that you will get any reward at all after you die. Both of you have been brainwashed to a level that you are both clinically insane.

.
what causes the changes you refer to as evolution, not to the same specimen but from one to the next ?

what is the process, evolution you are talking about - if it is not Spiritual ?

.

I don't believe from the evidence I've seen that there are wholesale leaps from one species to another totally different being if that is what you are suggesting. All of the change in evolution has come in spurts where a "spurt" might take more than a million years from what I can understand. I'm not an expert in DNA changes so you would probably be better served asking an expert in the field.

The scientists are clearly on the track of filling in the missing links the religists are so fond of bringing up. To me it is sort of a puzzle that once a few of the places on the board are filled in one can easily guess where the puzzle is going. The religists seem to be fighting the evidence as it is discovered tooth and nail. I have no such agenda. Sure as a curious human being with enough education to basically follow many of the directions scientists are following I try to keep up as I would like to see a more complete filling in of the evolutionary puzzle like most Americans.

We are not a nation of frightened goat herders. We lead the world in education and discovery. I welcome the results as they appear.

 

[S.J.]

I'm not an expert in DNA changes so you would probably be better served asking an expert in the field.

Finally he admits he doesn't know wtf he's talking about!

 

[HUGGY]

See that chawawa and great Dane? They both came from wolves. We did that over hundreds of years. So imagine what nature can do over millions of years.

There's your theory in a nutshell - IMAGINE. And the dog reference? Did the wolf, the "Chihuahua" and the Great Dane evolve into another species? No. If you have a provable case where this ever happened let's see it.

If for some natural cause all the large dogs and wolves died and all that was left was chihuahuas then we could see clearly how evolution works in our own life time. This or that variant survives and the survivor may not look anything like what generally preceded it. This process has a lot to do with specific regions also. There is much evidence that the dolphins were land animals a long time ago. Whales too. They very well could have been forced to go into the water to get food or elude predators and over time the ones that could swim the best survived and changed to suit their new environment. That was Darwins observation with the finches with the extraordinary large beaks that allowed them to eat the larger berries and nuts in the Galapagos. Birds tend to mate based on physical appearance. The well fed finches were obviously more desirable to mate with than those that struggled to eat and stay healthy.

So the dogs didn't transform into cats or some other species, you're guessing about dolphins and whales, and you call that proof?

No. I am not just guessing about the sea dwelling mammals. Why would a species live in the ocean but breath air? Fishes have gills. They are a natural habitant of water. It makes no sense that a species evolved in water only to have the restriction of needing to go to the surface to breath. That need is obviously something natural to a land dwelling species.

These questions are a part of REALITY. I am not speculating on sky fairies. Now THAT is some pretty strange and improvable stuff.

 

[HUGGY]

I'm not an expert in DNA changes so you would probably be better served asking an expert in the field.

Finally he admits he doesn't know wtf he's talking about!

Oh and YOU do? You don't have a single scrap of real evidence of a god yet YOU are correct and I don't know what I am talking about? That assumption is based on pure nonsense. Your daydreams about an all powerful sky fairy is just that ..daydreams. My interest in science is based ON REALITY and actual real evidence. Now WHO really knows more about reality? Sorry..your god doesn't count. THAT isn't REAL.

 

[S.J.]

No. I am not just guessing about the sea dwelling mammals. Why would a species live in the ocean but breath air? Fishes have gills. They are a natural habitant of water. It makes no sense that a species evolved in water only to have the restriction of needing to go to the surface to breath. That need is obviously something natural to a land dwelling species.

The fact that you don't know the answer to your question is not proof of your conclusion.

These questions are a part of REALITY. I am not speculating on sky fairies. Now THAT is some pretty strange and improvable stuff.

No one has claimed they CAN prove it, so the burden of proof is not on me, it's on you since you claim to have it.

 

[S.J.]

I'm not an expert in DNA changes so you would probably be better served asking an expert in the field.

Finally he admits he doesn't know wtf he's talking about!

Oh and YOU do? You don't have a single scrap of real evidence of a god yet YOU are correct and I don't know what I am talking about? That assumption is based on pure nonsense. Your daydreams about an all powerful sky fairy is just that ..daydreams. My interest in science is based ON REALITY and actual real evidence. Now WHO really knows more about reality? Sorry..your god doesn't count. THAT isn't REAL.

Again, I never claimed I DO have proof. YOU are the one who claims to have proof, although you clearly are not able to provide it.

 

[HUGGY]

I'm not an expert in DNA changes so you would probably be better served asking an expert in the field.

Finally he admits he doesn't know wtf he's talking about!

Oh and YOU do? You don't have a single scrap of real evidence of a god yet YOU are correct and I don't know what I am talking about? That assumption is based on pure nonsense. Your daydreams about an all powerful sky fairy is just that ..daydreams. My interest in science is based ON REALITY and actual real evidence. Now WHO really knows more about reality? Sorry..your god doesn't count. THAT isn't REAL.

Again, I never claimed I DO have proof. YOU are the one who claims to have proof, although you clearly are not able to provide it.

I'm not a scientist entrusted with making discoveries in that field. BUT I am smart enough to know that a fossil is real and sky fairies are not.

 

[S.J.]

I'm not an expert in DNA changes so you would probably be better served asking an expert in the field.

Finally he admits he doesn't know wtf he's talking about!

Oh and YOU do? You don't have a single scrap of real evidence of a god yet YOU are correct and I don't know what I am talking about? That assumption is based on pure nonsense. Your daydreams about an all powerful sky fairy is just that ..daydreams. My interest in science is based ON REALITY and actual real evidence. Now WHO really knows more about reality? Sorry..your god doesn't count. THAT isn't REAL.

Again, I never claimed I DO have proof. YOU are the one who claims to have proof, although you clearly are not able to provide it.

I'm not a scientist entrusted with making discoveries in that field. BUT I am smart enough to know that a fossil is real and sky fairies are not.

But you're not smart enough to prove a theory you claim is indisputable.

 

[HUGGY]

I'm not an expert in DNA changes so you would probably be better served asking an expert in the field.

Finally he admits he doesn't know wtf he's talking about!

Oh and YOU do? You don't have a single scrap of real evidence of a god yet YOU are correct and I don't know what I am talking about? That assumption is based on pure nonsense. Your daydreams about an all powerful sky fairy is just that ..daydreams. My interest in science is based ON REALITY and actual real evidence. Now WHO really knows more about reality? Sorry..your god doesn't count. THAT isn't REAL.

Again, I never claimed I DO have proof. YOU are the one who claims to have proof, although you clearly are not able to provide it.

I'm not a scientist entrusted with making discoveries in that field. BUT I am smart enough to know that a fossil is real and sky fairies are not.

But you're not smart enough to prove a theory you claim is indisputable.

Give it a rest. It isn't my responsibility to have all the answers. I've seen enough evidence to be on the right side of this issue. You are just pissed off that scientists are burying your god with every old bone they dig up. Face it. You just want something to be that just simply ISN'T.