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Well thank you for showing the logistical difference between fascism, socialism and free capitalism in one sentence.nobody is telling you what kind of light bulbs you can or can't buy. They are telling manufacturers what kind of light bulbs they can or can't produce.I think its great.........but dont tell me what kind of light bulb I can or cant buy. Thats just stupid silliness.
I love how liberals talk about personal freedoms. They're all for it......as long as you have to do it their way.
I rather doubt we will have a black market in light bulbs but who knows. This country is full of kooks.Well thank you for showing the logistical difference between fascism, socialism and free capitalism in one sentence.nobody is telling you what kind of light bulbs you can or can't buy. They are telling manufacturers what kind of light bulbs they can or can't produce.I think its great.........but dont tell me what kind of light bulb I can or cant buy. Thats just stupid silliness.
I love how liberals talk about personal freedoms. They're all for it......as long as you have to do it their way.
It's not that you can't BUY incandescent bulbs... you just can't manufacture or IMPORT them. Boy that makes me feel so much better.
You realize of course that prohibition did not stop the OWNERSHIP of alcohol... just the transport and sale.
Spaceba Comrade!
Yes, and they are the ones saying that CFLs are a good thing and grandma's thermometer is a threat to all life in a 2 mile radius.I rather doubt we will have a black market in light bulbs but who knows. This country is full of kooks.Well thank you for showing the logistical difference between fascism, socialism and free capitalism in one sentence.nobody is telling you what kind of light bulbs you can or can't buy. They are telling manufacturers what kind of light bulbs they can or can't produce.
It's not that you can't BUY incandescent bulbs... you just can't manufacture or IMPORT them. Boy that makes me feel so much better.
You realize of course that prohibition did not stop the OWNERSHIP of alcohol... just the transport and sale.
Spaceba Comrade!
I can get 2 bulbs at the dollar store.
Do these last 30xs as long?
How long do I have to use it to make up for the fact that it costs 30 times what I pay for my current bulbs?
Well thank you for showing the logistical difference between fascism, socialism and free capitalism in one sentence.nobody is telling you what kind of light bulbs you can or can't buy. They are telling manufacturers what kind of light bulbs they can or can't produce.I think its great.........but dont tell me what kind of light bulb I can or cant buy. Thats just stupid silliness.
I love how liberals talk about personal freedoms. They're all for it......as long as you have to do it their way.
It's not that you can't BUY incandescent bulbs... you just can't manufacture or IMPORT them. Boy that makes me feel so much better.
You realize of course that prohibition did not stop the OWNERSHIP of alcohol... just the transport and sale.
Spaceba Comrade!
I can get 2 bulbs at the dollar store.
Do these last 30xs as long?
How long do I have to use it to make up for the fact that it costs 30 times what I pay for my current bulbs?
An LED should last a generation or more unless you drop it or somehow apply enough force to it to damage it. Its a solid state device. They should last longer than the fixture you screw them into. You'll be able to pass them down to your children and them to their children.
The energy usage is about 10% that of an incandescent. Not only do you save 90% in energy costs but you also save in the summer because you won't need as much AC with less heat being generated by your light bulbs. You save in the winter, too, if you heat by gas, because heating by gas is more efficient than heating by incandescent light bulbs.
I have all flouros right now but when they burn out SEVEN years from now or so, I'll replace them with LED's and not have to worry about changing another lightbulb until I'm well into retirement or even dead.
If you teabagger nuts ran the Navy our submarines would all still run on diesel.
I can get 2 bulbs at the dollar store.
Do these last 30xs as long?
How long do I have to use it to make up for the fact that it costs 30 times what I pay for my current bulbs?
An LED should last a generation or more unless you drop it or somehow apply enough force to it to damage it. Its a solid state device. They should last longer than the fixture you screw them into. You'll be able to pass them down to your children and them to their children.
The energy usage is about 10% that of an incandescent. Not only do you save 90% in energy costs but you also save in the summer because you won't need as much AC with less heat being generated by your light bulbs. You save in the winter, too, if you heat by gas, because heating by gas is more efficient than heating by incandescent light bulbs.
I have all flouros right now but when they burn out SEVEN years from now or so, I'll replace them with LED's and not have to worry about changing another lightbulb until I'm well into retirement or even dead.
If you teabagger nuts ran the Navy our submarines would all still run on diesel.
Just goes to show how we should NEVER trust the enviro-nuts to make these decisions for all the rest of us.
I've been designing LED lighting with the newest of new generation of white LED products. And the one thing that I've focused on is lifetime. The physics of energy density and heat transfer from an LED is MUCH different from an incandescent in that the volume available to shed heat is substantially smaller. Even the best heat sinked design will put the junction temperature of an LED in a constant ambient range of 50 to 70 degC.
Lifetime curves are affected by the breakdown of secondary phospors under temperature and changes to the LED junction itself. An L70 (70% initial light output) lifetime is over 5 years right now. It is NOT projected to get "better". While this is GOOD -- it is NOWHERE NEAR what Oopydoo claims is ETERNAL...
BTW:: LEDs don't die --- they just "fade away". (generally) So you can leave them to grandchildren, but they will be pretty dim and not white after 6 or 7 years from date of initial use..
Furthermore, the heat produced by an incandescent in wintertime is completely efficient. Meaning that whatever is not produced in visible light is produced in infra-red heating. There is very little emission in HIGHER freq ultra-Violet like in a flourescent. So a WATT burned is a WATT burned. And it goes entirely into heat. NOTHING is wasted in the wintertime indoor scenario. You can argue about gas heating til the equinox, but that's a fact and it was LEFT OUT of the GOVT definition for lighting efficiency on a yearly basis.
An LED should last a generation or more unless you drop it or somehow apply enough force to it to damage it. Its a solid state device. They should last longer than the fixture you screw them into. You'll be able to pass them down to your children and them to their children.
The energy usage is about 10% that of an incandescent. Not only do you save 90% in energy costs but you also save in the summer because you won't need as much AC with less heat being generated by your light bulbs. You save in the winter, too, if you heat by gas, because heating by gas is more efficient than heating by incandescent light bulbs.
I have all flouros right now but when they burn out SEVEN years from now or so, I'll replace them with LED's and not have to worry about changing another lightbulb until I'm well into retirement or even dead.
If you teabagger nuts ran the Navy our submarines would all still run on diesel.
Just goes to show how we should NEVER trust the enviro-nuts to make these decisions for all the rest of us.
I've been designing LED lighting with the newest of new generation of white LED products. And the one thing that I've focused on is lifetime. The physics of energy density and heat transfer from an LED is MUCH different from an incandescent in that the volume available to shed heat is substantially smaller. Even the best heat sinked design will put the junction temperature of an LED in a constant ambient range of 50 to 70 degC.
Lifetime curves are affected by the breakdown of secondary phospors under temperature and changes to the LED junction itself. An L70 (70% initial light output) lifetime is over 5 years right now. It is NOT projected to get "better". While this is GOOD -- it is NOWHERE NEAR what Oopydoo claims is ETERNAL...
BTW:: LEDs don't die --- they just "fade away". (generally) So you can leave them to grandchildren, but they will be pretty dim and not white after 6 or 7 years from date of initial use..
Touche. I defer to your knowledge.
Furthermore, the heat produced by an incandescent in wintertime is completely efficient. Meaning that whatever is not produced in visible light is produced in infra-red heating. There is very little emission in HIGHER freq ultra-Violet like in a flourescent. So a WATT burned is a WATT burned. And it goes entirely into heat. NOTHING is wasted in the wintertime indoor scenario. You can argue about gas heating til the equinox, but that's a fact and it was LEFT OUT of the GOVT definition for lighting efficiency on a yearly basis.
However - you are INCORRECT on this point. In terms of energy - gas heating is more efficient than heating by an electric heating element. A lot of energy is lost when gas - or coal or whatever - is burned to run a generator to make AC which is then sent through transformers and miles of transmission lines and then through transformers again before it gets to your electric heater.
Flac, you will put less CO2 into the atmosphere from that 25 kwh you have put into the ev than you would driving an ICE an equal distance. That is because of the inherent ineficiency of the ICE.
Flac, you will put less CO2 into the atmosphere from that 25 kwh you have put into the ev than you would driving an ICE an equal distance. That is because of the inherent ineficiency of the ICE.
