Before Social Security???

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Originally posted by acludem
FDR's program put people back to work. Social Security was designed for people who were too old to work. Do you support throwing these people out on the street?

Have you ever heard of private charities? Just wondering. It seems you view life in rather black and white extremes.

Perhaps you'd like to start the system of expensive county homes back up? As far as the tax system, yes rich people paid more. Of course during the depression a few rich people were the only ones with any money. If you think Roosevelt was for taxing the rich more read something about a man named Huey Long. He was one of Roosevelt's primary critics. Another interesting character is Father Coughlin who was the original talk radio host. Their criticism was that Roosevelt wasn't doing enough.

Free markets cannot exist in a vacuum. The main problem with libertarian economic philosphy is that it fails to take into account the fact the people are greedy, selfish bastards for the most part. It assumes that those in the market will always do right, and one only need say "Martha Stewart" to prove that wrong.

You got libertarian philosophy a little wrong. The basic premise is that government should exist to protect individuals from each other - not themselves, not their own bad choices.
But martha's going to jail. So the system's working, right?

FDR's program was not socialist, though you seem to be using "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably. Most European countries today are Social Democracies. That is, for example in Britain, where the government is democratically elected, there is a free market economy, but the government owns some industries, and there is universal health care. Communism takes Socialism and adds absolute government ownership of all industry, eliminates the democracy, and also adds complete income redistribution. FDR's program was not Socialist or Communist. He did not take control of industry. He did not set up universal health care. He did not have full redistribution of income. FDR was, in a lot of ways, Conservative.

Just because it's not FULL income redistribution doesn't mean it's "practically conservative". You make me laugh.

The first few parts of the New Deal were actually ideas from Hoover's (Republican) administration that Roosevelt liked and implemented. Hoover was a libertarian before that party even existed.

acludem

You're funny.

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by acludem
FDR's program put people back to work. Social Security was designed for people who were too old to work. Do you support throwing these people out on the street? Perhaps you'd like to start the system of expensive county homes back up? As far as the tax system, yes rich people paid more. Of course during the depression a few rich people were the only ones with any money. If you think Roosevelt was for taxing the rich more read something about a man named Huey Long. He was one of Roosevelt's primary critics. Another interesting character is Father Coughlin who was the original talk radio host. Their criticism was that Roosevelt wasn't doing enough.

Free markets cannot exist in a vacuum. The main problem with libertarian economic philosphy is that it fails to take into account the fact the people are greedy, selfish bastards for the most part. It assumes that those in the market will always do right, and one only need say "Martha Stewart" to prove that wrong.

FDR's program was not socialist, though you seem to be using "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably. Most European countries today are Social Democracies. That is, for example in Britain, where the government is democratically elected, there is a free market economy, but the government owns some industries, and there is universal health care. Communism takes Socialism and adds absolute government ownership of all industry, eliminates the democracy, and also adds complete income redistribution. FDR's program was not Socialist or Communist. He did not take control of industry. He did not set up universal health care. He did not have full redistribution of income. FDR was, in a lot of ways, Conservative. The first few parts of the New Deal were actually ideas from Hoover's (Republican) administration that Roosevelt liked and implemented. Hoover was a libertarian before that party even existed.

acludem

Why the hell should money come out of my pocket to support someone because they want to live forever, spend all their money and can't take care of the people in their own families. That makes no sense.

His programs put people back to work with money the government steals from the pockets of those that do.

FDR's reign was, indeed, socialist- I didn't say he was an absolute one that got his way with everything. Luckily, there were some checks and balances.

Unfortunately for the generations currently here, his policies have led to the complete abandonment of personal responsibility. You want gold teeth and chains around your neck? Work for a living.