Be Like England is the Common Pro-Gun Control Stance, but...

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    ...look at their violent crime rate vs ours.

    The argument that gun control makes the UK safer is not true!

    US Violent Crime Rate: 475 per 100,000 citizens
    (Year: 2005 http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html )

    UK Violent Crime Rate: 4,100 per 100,000 citizens
    (Year: 2005 http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr1804.pdf )


    On top of that nearly 80% of homicides committed by guns in America are gang related! Just like the gang-bangers in Mexico or Venezuela, nearly all the murders are committed by a gun that was obtain ILLEGALLY (NEARLY 100%)!!! Therefore, gun control isn't going to prevent gang-bangers from obtaining firearms! They already obtain them illegally!

    Michael "Fat Ass" Moore lead us to believe it was the guns that are the problem! Clearly he ignores the TRUE problem, like every liberal does, because they fear being called racists. The gun violence problem in this country are gangs and more specifically inner city minority violence!
     
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    No lefty that wants to take my guns is going to dispute that England had a 10 fold higher violent crime rate than America and the the epidemic in gun violence is primarily a gang/minority/urban thang!
     
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    But people killed by guns are MORE DEAD than people killed with blunt instruments!!

    /irrational gun hater
     
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    They call it an inconvenient truth! The reason gun violence is SO high in the US is because of the inner city gang violence. The liberal elistist won't admit this, because they fear being called hypocrites, therefore they say ban guns. However, most gang members utilize illegal guns; therefore, gun control is going to take guns from the law abiding citizen but not these gang-bangers!


     
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    If you look at the violent crime statistics for the United States on a state-by-state basis, the first thing you'll notice is that heavily-populated, strict gun control states like California and New York have a much greater rate of violent crime than states where guns are not as strictly regulated.

    As for England being less violent than here? Clearly you've never been there!

    I've traveled in England and other countries on several occasions, and London is the only place in the world where a brawl broke out right in front of me, in broad daylight, and I was the only person who seemed the least bit surprised by it. All the Londoners simply walked around the two men fighting as if it were a daily occurrence.

    My take on gun control:

    I've been anti-gun all my life before this... but now I'm getting older, stiffer, and even smaller as I shrink. So at the current time, I especially appreciate our 2nd Amendment right to own guns, because the ownership of firearms is the great equalizer in this country, ensuring that all our other rights are protected against physically or politically stronger people who might otherwise seek to violate them.

    I do believe that if we relinquish our Constitutional right to be armed, we must eventually relinquish all our other Constitutional rights.

    -- Paravani
     
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    Before anyone wants to be like England, with its dislike of self-defense, you might want to consider what that means.

    Mentally challenged girl, 15, 'gang raped under her desk during class as teacher did NOTHING' | Mail Online

    K.J.'s mother said she was powerless to get her daughter transferred immediately, and as a result the girl was bullied for months.
    In December, school officials put her in a room with one of the boys who had been sexually harassing her and admonished them to 'discuss their issues.'
    K.J. left that classroom with a gash over her right eye.
     
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    The United Kingdom is at the opposite end of the spectrum concerning gun control, in that we have an unhealthy paranoia towards firearms that's been foisted upon us by a hostile media that, along with our judiciary, has systematically stigmatised gun owners. I won't cease repeating that we have the tightest firearms legislation in Europe, but our streets are plagued by the highest rates of gun crime. As soon as the ban on self-loading handguns was introduced - of which the public weren't consulted - gun crime steadily rose. And it's still rising. And who are people importing weapons into the country? Britain's minorities. And who uses these fearsome weapons? Minorities that come from countries where civil war is the norm, who won't think twice about settling a dispute with an automatic weapon, because that's what they've grown-up around.
     
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    It looks like Britian is having the same sort of immigrant problem the US has. And, the same problem France has and Sweden has and every other country that was deluded into thinking that multiculturalism was going to be the wave of a peaceful future.
     
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    And it should be pointed out that the UK is second to Australia! Both nations have the strictest gun control laws and epidemically high violent crime rates!

     
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    Snopes has a really good analysis of Australia's crime rate.
     

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