Battlecry: Christian kids have lost it

[Nienna]

The god of christ is not a totalitarian. That's satan. He only wants you if you want him willingly. This luce dude is a human perversion. Theocracies of any kind are inspired by satan, as it is worldly power they seek.

 

[Bonnie]

Wow this is scary. But it's always fun to challenge those who say "I believe the bible should be followed literally". Ask them if they believe in capital punishment for disobedient children, that's in the bible. This Ron Luce is like anyother demagogue, regardless of his religion, this is a personality cult pure and simple.

acludem

What's even scarier is rabid women pushing baby carriages, screaming for the right to kill babies!!

 

[liberalogic]

Like Jeff said, I don't know much about Ron Luce, and I do know that there ARE Christian cults. This may be one of them, I don't know.

But, as to Christians not influencing the public sector, why shouldn't they?

Because policies against censorship, advertising, and everything else that does not conform to christian values, is a restriction on society as a whole. Don't tell the rest of us what we can and can't do or watch simply because it doesn't fit in with christian values.

Worship Christ, praise him, love him, and follow him all you want. Seek to live a pure life. Don't concede to temptation. But this should not be a referendum on how everyone else lives. A true Battlecry would address those in need; those who can't find food; those who are terminally ill; those who have suffered immense tragedies. Instead, we are looking at President Christ-- the politician, not the honorable, kind, and generous message that he truly preached. Luce is politicizing christianity for himself and his jihadist ideas. And all the fragile and lost souls are along for the ride.

 

[Nienna]

Because policies against censorship, advertising, and everything else that does not conform to christian values, is a restriction on society as a whole. Don't tell the rest of us what we can and can't do or watch simply because it doesn't fit in with christian values.

Worship Christ, praise him, love him, and follow him all you want. Seek to live a pure life. Don't concede to temptation. But this should not be a referendum on how everyone else lives. A true Battlecry would address those in need; those who can't find food; those who are terminally ill; those who have suffered immense tragedies. Instead, we are looking at President Christ-- the politician, not the honorable, kind, and generous message that he truly preached. Luce is politicizing christianity for himself and his jihadist ideas. And all the fragile and lost souls are along for the ride.

But, every person who votes, writes bills, makes policies, etc. does so with an underlying set of beliefs. They believe that these ideals make for a better society. Why should Christians hold back from acting on the public stage? Do homosexual activists hold back? Abortion rights groups? Anti-war groups? Why shouldn't Christians be allowed to speak out, to influence?

I am not necessarily backing Luce. As I said before, I don't know enough about him; he may very well be a cult leader. But why should Christians, more than any other group, remain politically uninvolved?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Because policies against censorship, advertising, and everything else that does not conform to christian values, is a restriction on society as a whole. Don't tell the rest of us what we can and can't do or watch simply because it doesn't fit in with christian values.

Worship Christ, praise him, love him, and follow him all you want. Seek to live a pure life. Don't concede to temptation. But this should not be a referendum on how everyone else lives. A true Battlecry would address those in need; those who can't find food; those who are terminally ill; those who have suffered immense tragedies. Instead, we are looking at President Christ-- the politician, not the honorable, kind, and generous message that he truly preached. Luce is politicizing christianity for himself and his jihadist ideas. And all the fragile and lost souls are along for the ride.

Murder is against the law, ll. Should it be removed as a restriction because it's also a ten commandment?

 

[liberalogic]

But, every person who votes, writes bills, makes policies, etc. does so with an underlying set of beliefs. They believe that these ideals make for a better society. Why should Christians hold back from acting on the public stage? Do homosexual activists hold back? Abortion rights groups? Anti-war groups? Why shouldn't Christians be allowed to speak out, to influence?

I am not necessarily backing Luce. As I said before, I don't know enough about him; he may very well be a cult leader. But why should Christians, more than any other group, remain politically uninvolved?

But the difference between liberal activists and christian activists is that we are not telling you how to live your life. I'm for gay marriage, but I'm not telling you to do it or be around it. I'm not restricting your actions. I'm opening doors, not closing them.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

But the difference between liberal activists and christian activists is that we are not telling you how to live your life. I'm for gay marriage, but I'm not telling you to do it or be around it. I'm not restricting your actions. I'm opening doors, not closing them.

No. You're trying to take our money and nullify our rightful influence in the government. Socialism is faith based too, as it's never worked, in reality.

 

[liberalogic]

Murder is against the law, ll. Should it be removed as a restriction because it's also a ten commandment?

No, it's law because it's common sense. You don't need God to tell you that it's right or wrong. We can't function as a civil society without that law. Not to mention that many philosophers, without the influence of God, preached the same message.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

No, it's law because it's common sense. You don't need God to tell you that it's right or wrong. We can't function as a civil society without that law. Not to mention that many philosophers, without the influence of God, preached the same message.

You just don't understand how much your "common sense" is actually a product of christian morality.

 

[5stringJeff]

I googled Ron Luce and found his website:

www.teenmania.com

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Overall it seems like a good program. Maybe the bloodbath talk and automatic weapons should be reconsidered. LOL.

 

[Nienna]

But the difference between liberal activists and christian activists is that we are not telling you how to live your life. I'm for gay marriage, but I'm not telling you to do it or be around it. I'm not restricting your actions. I'm opening doors, not closing them.

Then maybe you can answer my kids' questions about why that man is kissing the other man in public, or why we have to be careful about praying in public. Or tell them what a "prostitute" is. They saw that one on an ad for the Jerry Springer show, while we were watching for school snow closings one morning. But that's all "free speech," right? It doesn't affect me at all.

 

[acludem]

I'll be glad to. Some men and women, like mommy and daddy love the opposite gender, other men and women like the same gender. They love differently. As for what a prostitute is, that's a woman who does grown-up things for money. Praying in public is fine, just remember there are people who have different beliefs than you and remember how it might make you feel if they prayed when you had no choice to but to listen.

Need any more help, Mom?

acludem

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Praying in public is fine, just remember there are people who have different beliefs than you and remember how it might make you feel if they prayed when you had no choice to but to listen.


acludem

A truly tolerant person should have no problem hearing others pray. It doesn't mean he has to believe it. You are teaching intolerance with the crap you spew.

 

[Nienna]

No, it's law because it's common sense. You don't need God to tell you that it's right or wrong. We can't function as a civil society without that law. Not to mention that many philosophers, without the influence of God, preached the same message.

All law is codified morality. Every law is based on a values judgment that some behaviors are better than others. You can make decisions excluding God as a factor, but why should Christians be forced to exclude God when making their decisions? Or to "pretend" that "although these are my personal beliefs, they do not influence my decision-making process"? Talk about not being restrictive? Talk about gays being forced into the closet?

 

[acludem]

What I was referring to is the idea of Mom's children being forced to sit through a Muslim prayer, a Buddhist prayer, a Christian (demonination other their own), Jewish prayer, Atheist speech etc. without having an opportunity to represent their own beliefs. No one has ever said a family can't pray before eating at a restaurant, or whatever other event.

 

[GotZoom]

I'll be glad to. Some men and women, like mommy and daddy love the opposite gender, other men and women like the same gender. They love differently. As for what a prostitute is, that's a woman who does grown-up things for money. Praying in public is fine, just remember there are people who have different beliefs than you and remember how it might make you feel if they prayed when you had no choice to but to listen.

Need any more help, Mom?

acludem

But why do they get to pray and I can't even talk about God at recess?

 

[jillian]

All law is codified morality. Every law is based on a values judgment that some behaviors are better than others. You can make decisions excluding God as a factor, but why should Christians be forced to exclude God when making their decisions? Or to "pretend" that "although these are my personal beliefs, they do not influence my decision-making process"? Talk about not being restrictive? Talk about gays being forced into the closet?

Actually, most laws are based on freedom. If someone kills they are taking away another's freedom. If someone steals, they are infringing upon another's freedom to own their property unobstructed.

When have you been prohibited from following your own conscience and the tenets of your religion? Has your church been locked by the government? Have you been forced to go underground and hide your religion? Are you prohibited from wearing signs of your devotion? Have you been prevented from voting because of your religious beliefs? Been stripped of your citizenship?

I'd say the answer to all of that is no and what we're really talking about is a desire of some to impose their own religious tents on others.

You also asked a question earlier about should Christians be denied a voice in government when gays are allowed their voice, etc.?

That was an interesting question but there are different rules applying to religion because of the First Amendment than to other interest groups. Additionally, Churches and other houses of worship are different as well because they avail themselves of tax exempt status stemming from that same First Amendment.

 

[Hobbit]

When have you been prohibited from following your own conscience and the tenets of your religion? Has your church been locked by the government? Have you been forced to go underground and hide your religion? Are you prohibited from wearing signs of your devotion? Have you been prevented from voting because of your religious beliefs? Been stripped of your citizenship?

When inside a government school, I could answer yes to at least half of those things.

 

[jillian]

When inside a government school, I could answer yes to at least half of those things.

A government school isn't a place for worship, though.