Baseball HOF vote tmrw Jan 9

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    Bonds and clemens had better make it. If not the greatest position player and pitcher of all time, they are certainly both in the top 5. I am not convinced they did use PEDS but if so it did not help their careers much anyway. They were sensational long before they bulked up.

    The critics say "using PEDs is cheating" but baseball has always been a cheaters paradise. Ask HOFer gaylord perry.
     
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    I agree. Bonds and Clemens should be first-ballot inductees, but I bet that NONE of them make it, including McGwire.
     
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    I hope the Druggies and Cheaters make it on the first ballot, because that's what Baseball is all about thesedays.
     
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    Piazza and Biggio will be elected

    Cheaters will be left out
     
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    2013 Official Hall of Fame Ballot - Baseball-Reference.com

    Biggio (amazing stats period and unbelievable for 2B and a leadoff man) is the only foresure.
    Schilling is foresure 216 wins, 3.46 ERA, 3K+ Ks and 1.137 WHIP, plus the heroics in the world series.
    Piazza is close. Piazza (along with Bench) had the best power numbers of any catcher in history, .308 BA, 427 HR, 1335 RBI and wasn't a roid suspect, however, the D is what holds him back.

    Roids Players:
    Bonds - I think the best shot of all the roids players, but I think they make a statement
    Clemens - Ditto
    Sosa - Has some unbelievable years of what 160 RBIs+ the guy was a monster. Minus the roids suspicions he would be a 1st ballot, but the Big Mac miss foreshadowed Sosa.
    Palmeiro - Sosa has better single season that Palmeiro (a ton better), but career stats, Palmeiro's are equivalent if not better than Sosa. But, like Big Mac, the voters have spoken on him!
    Bagwell - See Palmeiro
    Big Mac - already a no.

    Old Timers Hold-Overs:
    Jack Morris - I think he finally makes it.
    Mattingly - Should make it and he will inch closer and miss.
    Lee Smith - Should make it, but the voters hate closers. Very unjustifiably so.
    Raines - Good player, but won't ever make the HOF.

    My picks for who will make it: Biggio, Schilling, Piazza and Morris! The stub all the roid players and Mattingly again!
     
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    No Schilling, Morris or Mattlingly for you?
     
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    I think Schilling will wait a year

    Morris and Mattingly are been there done that. Close to HOF but no cigar
     
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    Best Pitchers not in the HOF

    - Ron Guidry
    - Dwight Gooden
    - Fernando Valenzuela
    - JR Richard
    - Morris
    - Luis Tiant
     
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    of all the steroids guys who deserve to be left out -- the list is topped by mcgwire. If you look at his stats he was washed up well below HOF numbers. In 1993 and 1994 COMBINED he hit 18 HRs and drove in 49 runs. He was done .Then in 1995 he clearly starts to juice and hits 345 HRS the rest of his career. If there is one guy who should be kept out over steroids is this big oaf.

    He is just the opposite of Bonds and Clemmens, regardless of what you think of the merits of their cases -- guys who were clearly HOFers beofre the steroids era began (at least as far as we know). This guy was a mediocrity at best turned into a mediocritiy with some HOF numbers solely as a result if steroids.
     
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    Even without the steroid issue Mac is just a borderline HOF. He had the power of Bonds but in every other phase of the game Mac was just ordinary. Throw in the roids and he has no chance - which is what the voters have said the last few years.
     

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