CDZ Barack Obama...Greatest President of Modern times

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    Yes, de facto government take-over. How else would you explain all the mandates, price controls, etc.? Not to mention the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." lie, the whole, "we have to pass it to see what's in it." B.S., everyone will have insurance crap, etc., etc.
     
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    Lets see...

    Are the hospitals run by the government? Are Doctors assigned by the government? Are live or die decisions about individual health procedures made by the government?

    Doesn't look like anything close to a government takeover of the healthcare industry no matter how often the conservatives lie about it
     
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    Can I, legally, cancel my insurance and become self insured? No. Never before in American history have the American people been mandated, by the Federal Government, to purchase a good or service. It does not matter if you want to or not, you are REQUIRED by law to purchase insurance that covers things you will NEVER need. Men must pay for coverage for a hysterectomy, women must pay for coverage of testicular cancer. How does this make sense?
    More to your "point", can a hospital run their business the in the way that makes the most sense for them and their patients? Only if the Feds agree. Can you go to any doctor you wish? Only if your insurer says so, or you pay out-of-pocket.(no real change there) Does Medicare/Medicaid deny claims for potentially life-saving procedures? Yes. Are Medicare and Medicaid run by the government? Yes.
    Face it, while the old system was not perfect, it was not nearly as flawed as the ACA. Especially in the areas of personal freedom, liberty, and consumer CHOICE.
     
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    What has he done that even compares to that which Lincoln and Washington did? While Washington was our General in the Revolution as well as the first President, and Lincoln presided over the preservation of our union in her darkest hour, Obama has presided over a nation that has become more divided than eight years ago. To say Obama is even in the same ball park as these two is to insult their legacy and the memory of those who fought and died for them and us.
     
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    Lincoln
    Washington
    FDR
    MLK
    Obama


    I can live with that
     
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    You are required to have insurance

    YOU get to pick the plans and coverages......That is not a government takeover
     
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    Ok...
    Lincoln- President during Civil War ("won"), credited with ending slavery "arguably it was congress).
    Washington- First U.S. President, General during Revolution, contributed more to how the day to day business of the government is administered than any other President.
    FDR- Credited with ending the Great Depression (arguable that it was WWII), President during WWII.
    MLK- Instrumental in effecting social change in race relations, essentially forced the Federal Government to act to stop "Jim Crow".
    Obama- Enacted law taking a huge step towards socialised medicine. ??????
    Doesn't seem like a very fair comparison. I mean really, didn't Wilson and Teddy do at least as much for the progressive agenda as Obama? Why exclude them? Reagan is credited with ending the Cold War, why exclude him? There are others, but I think I have shown my point....
     
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    Ok, so would you be in favor of a law that requires one to purchase a firearm of your choosing (you get to pick the type, make, and model, heck you can even buy it used)? If not, why? It's for the common good, we need to be able to defend ourselves in case of an invasion by a foreign power. The time to act is now, before the threat is imminent.
     
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    I do not get to pick the plan and coverage I want. I get to pick from what "big brother" says is "good for me". Gee, where have we seen this before?
     
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    Obama is the greatest modern President....well deserving of a national monument
     
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