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Wrong again. As I've pointed out numerous times here, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.Not my job to hold your hand through this. You appear to be the only person who is this confused.You're still going. I told you, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.Donāt let me send your super brilliant thread up in flames with too much logic...get in there and convince us to see it like a half American would Mac1958
You have responded just as I anticipated, like a standard-issue myopic hardcore partisan ideologue, and I appreciate that.
If you think you're dealing in logic, great.
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Iām trying to stay open minded....I just canāt for the life of me understand how you arrive at āmake tens of millions legalā before āmodify our laws and deport tens of millionsā. How does one wrap their head around that? Break the logic down for us...youāre a smart dude, that shouldnāt be too difficult.
Sorry.
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No need for a handholding; Iām asking you to sell me on your ideas. Letās be honest, thatās exactly why you started the thread, you were hoping to sell people on your brilliance. Donāt get frustrated now, put a little more effort in.
Itās odd that you often beg to have these genuine, ālay it all out thereā, candid type of discussions which you yourself somehow seem to always turn totally useless and disingenuous. Are you always the type to become defensive and bitter when others donāt share you opinions?
As I've also pointed out numerous times here, my primary reasons for being here are to (a) observe the tactics and behaviors of political fundamentalists, and (b) occasionally belch out my opinion here and there. So, this place is like a nice one-stop shop for my little amateur psychological / sociological / anthropological studies, a mental Petri dish in which I can poke, observe, poke, observe, poke, observe.
Every once in a while I'll stumble into an interesting conversation, but I've long since given up trying to communicate online with political fundamentalists. It's much, much easier and significantly more interesting in real life.
There. I appreciate your interest, and I hope I've clarified things for you.
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Excellent, thanks.I don't know why this scenario is so important to you.Are you saying you donāt know how to address the scenario or that you know that if you do your bullshit goes up in flames? Sack up.
āConsider this parallel; you show up to your vacation home to find squatters have broke in and have been living in your house, you call the authorities only to find the squatters have rights and you have to follow a lengthy process to evict them from your own home. Is your first thought ālet them stay Iāll just forfeit my home to themā? OR, are you gonna fight it out and take a stand against lawmakers for such a bullshit law which allows good people to get fucked over by trespassers?ā
In that situation, I would do everything I could within the law to get rid of them.
I assume you're making a point here of some kind.
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If you canāt connect the dots I can assure you you are not qualified to have this conversation at all and we are both wasting our time.
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Hereās the truth....you, like many in this nation have ties to illegal aliens, therefore you are extremely considerate of their āfeelingsā...you essentially are them and you will remain bias because of this. You refuse to put America and Americans ahead of their feelings...for this, your opinion canāt be considered by good, real Americans...sorry bud.
Every. Single. One of your posts is emotional, snowflake. Do you not understand irony?
As an American, I can honestly say I give no shits about the feelings of a good portion of citizens in this country. I know that might hurt your delicate fee fees, but it is what it is.
Excellent, thanks.I don't know why this scenario is so important to you.
In that situation, I would do everything I could within the law to get rid of them.
I assume you're making a point here of some kind.
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If you canāt connect the dots I can assure you you are not qualified to have this conversation at all and we are both wasting our time.
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Hereās the truth....you, like many in this nation have ties to illegal aliens, therefore you are extremely considerate of their āfeelingsā...you essentially are them and you will remain bias because of this. You refuse to put America and Americans ahead of their feelings...for this, your opinion canāt be considered by good, real Americans...sorry bud.
Every. Single. One of your posts is emotional, snowflake. Do you not understand irony?
As an American, I can honestly say I give no shits about the feelings of a good portion of citizens in this country. I know that might hurt your delicate fee fees, but it is what it is.
Are you drunk bud...WTF does that even mean? Whatās your point?
Iām an emotional poster and youāre a complete badass because you donāt care about fellow Americans.
Cool, so now what?
Here we go!
- Legalize everyone who is here today and put them at the end of the line for regular citizenship, with a sinister hidden agenda of making the countries they use to want to escape a much more attractive place to live, see below
- Deport those who break the law.
- Strictly enforce all hiring laws with American employers, with heavy fines
- Re-examine and modernize guest worker programs so people are not falling through the cracks
- Toss out anything resembling NAFTA and prepare the Americas for the below plan
- Create a new GSE (Government-Sponsored Enterprise) to protect American companies in the below plan
- Have serious "this is your one chance" conversations with South American leaders to aggressively address the drug cartels. And yes, by "aggressively address", that could include partnership with the American military. This is a public health and safety issue that has been ignored & avoided long enough.
- Partner with Canada and South American countries (those that work with us on #7 above) to issue GSE-backed bonds and invest heavily in infrastructure and low-end to mid-level manufacturing and support facilities up and down the Americas. Invite South American countries to, um, liberate the money they get from the cartels to finance some of this. Get these people good jobs, keep them home with their families, and stabilize the region.
Excellent, thanks.If you canāt connect the dots I can assure you you are not qualified to have this conversation at all and we are both wasting our time.
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Hereās the truth....you, like many in this nation have ties to illegal aliens, therefore you are extremely considerate of their āfeelingsā...you essentially are them and you will remain bias because of this. You refuse to put America and Americans ahead of their feelings...for this, your opinion canāt be considered by good, real Americans...sorry bud.
Every. Single. One of your posts is emotional, snowflake. Do you not understand irony?
As an American, I can honestly say I give no shits about the feelings of a good portion of citizens in this country. I know that might hurt your delicate fee fees, but it is what it is.
Are you drunk bud...WTF does that even mean? Whatās your point?
Iām an emotional poster and youāre a complete badass because you donāt care about fellow Americans.
Cool, so now what?
You are bitching at Mac about being emotional when you have no cause to do so because you are one of the most emotional snowflakes on this board. It's not hard to understand.
Thatās a task their public leaders need to perform. It is not to be done at the cost of the American taxpayer unless they wish to deed their property to us! Next item?Perhaps you missed the point.Why would people rather live in a shit hole than America?
The whole point is to bring the jobs, economies and infrastructure that would make staying there with their families a much more attractive idea.
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Wow, you give up easily.Thatās a task their public leaders need to perform. It is not to be done at the cost of the American taxpayer unless they wish to deed their property to us! Next item?Perhaps you missed the point.Why would people rather live in a shit hole than America?
The whole point is to bring the jobs, economies and infrastructure that would make staying there with their families a much more attractive idea.
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Wow, you give up easily.Thatās a task their public leaders need to perform. It is not to be done at the cost of the American taxpayer unless they wish to deed their property to us! Next item?Perhaps you missed the point.Why would people rather live in a shit hole than America?
The whole point is to bring the jobs, economies and infrastructure that would make staying there with their families a much more attractive idea.
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This may sound crazy, but there was a time in this nation's history when we didn't run from difficult tasks.
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We'd being this for us more than them.Wow, you give up easily.Thatās a task their public leaders need to perform. It is not to be done at the cost of the American taxpayer unless they wish to deed their property to us! Next item?Perhaps you missed the point.Why would people rather live in a shit hole than America?
The whole point is to bring the jobs, economies and infrastructure that would make staying there with their families a much more attractive idea.
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This may sound crazy, but there was a time in this nation's history when we didn't run from difficult tasks.
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There was a time when American taxpayers took pride in being kind and gracious with Mexico...That ship sailed long ago bud. Trump never could have been elected if that werenāt the case.
Good people can only be taken advantage of for so long; good Americans have finally realized that we have been paying Mexico to fuck us over....being gracious with Mexico hasnāt helped Americans in any way.
Real Americans are fed up with Mexico bud, they wonāt support / embrace your āwe owe Mexicoā sentiment. Sorry.
Why would you want to do that? If Maria Reyes has been living in Phoenix as an illegal for 11 years working in a nail salon, never bothered anyone, raised a family, has kids going to school and has never broken the law other wiseā¦isnāt that the type of person we would want to have here if youāre going to allow immigration at all? Why put her ābehindā someone who has applied legally who may not be so benign or productive?
- Legalize everyone who is here today and put them at the end of the line for regular citizenship, with a sinister hidden agenda of making the countries they use to want to escape a much more attractive place to live, see below
Obviously.
- Deport those who break the law.
Not sure about this. I think it will just lead to more discrimination. As we always hear from the right, every document can be faked (birth certificates, DL,s SSN cardsā¦.) if youāre an employer, why would you hire someone who is brown skinned and risk heavy fines because their papers may be faked?
- Strictly enforce all hiring laws with American employers, with heavy fines
No opinion.
- Re-examine and modernize guest worker programs so people are not falling through the cracks
- Toss out anything resembling NAFTA and prepare the Americas for the below plan
- Create a new GSE (Government-Sponsored Enterprise) to protect American companies in the below plan
Or what? What if they donāt take the chance?
- Have serious "this is your one chance" conversations with South American leaders to aggressively address the drug cartels. And yes, by "aggressively address", that could include partnership with the American military. This is a public health and safety issue that has been ignored & avoided long enough.
Create a new, Americas-based manufacturing, distribution and consumption behemoth that would re-direct our dollars from China to the Americas.
- Partner with Canada and South American countries (those that work with us on #7 above) to issue GSE-backed bonds and invest heavily in infrastructure and low-end to mid-level manufacturing and support facilities up and down the Americas. Invite South American countries to, um, liberate the money they get from the cartels to finance some of this. Get these people good jobs, keep them home with their families, and stabilize the region.
There. That's a start. If you see something wrong, instead of tossing the whole thing out, let's tweak and improve it. The biggest problem is pretty obviously #7. Let's talk about that.
We used to do that here in America. Collaborate. Innovate.
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Illegal is illegal... They need to go to the back of the line and start overWhy would you want to do that? If Maria Reyes has been living in Phoenix as an illegal for 11 years working in a nail salon, never bothered anyone, raised a family, has kids going to school and has never broken the law other wiseā¦isnāt that the type of person we would want to have here if youāre going to allow immigration at all? Why put her ābehindā someone who has applied legally who may not be so benign or productive?
- Legalize everyone who is here today and put them at the end of the line for regular citizenship, with a sinister hidden agenda of making the countries they use to want to escape a much more attractive place to live, see below
Obviously.
- Deport those who break the law.
Not sure about this. I think it will just lead to more discrimination. As we always hear from the right, every document can be faked (birth certificates, DL,s SSN cardsā¦.) if youāre an employer, why would you hire someone who is brown skinned and risk heavy fines because their papers may be faked?
- Strictly enforce all hiring laws with American employers, with heavy fines
No opinion.
- Re-examine and modernize guest worker programs so people are not falling through the cracks
- Toss out anything resembling NAFTA and prepare the Americas for the below plan
- Create a new GSE (Government-Sponsored Enterprise) to protect American companies in the below plan
Or what? What if they donāt take the chance?
- Have serious "this is your one chance" conversations with South American leaders to aggressively address the drug cartels. And yes, by "aggressively address", that could include partnership with the American military. This is a public health and safety issue that has been ignored & avoided long enough.
Create a new, Americas-based manufacturing, distribution and consumption behemoth that would re-direct our dollars from China to the Americas.
- Partner with Canada and South American countries (those that work with us on #7 above) to issue GSE-backed bonds and invest heavily in infrastructure and low-end to mid-level manufacturing and support facilities up and down the Americas. Invite South American countries to, um, liberate the money they get from the cartels to finance some of this. Get these people good jobs, keep them home with their families, and stabilize the region.
There. That's a start. If you see something wrong, instead of tossing the whole thing out, let's tweak and improve it. The biggest problem is pretty obviously #7. Let's talk about that.
We used to do that here in America. Collaborate. Innovate.
.
Good luck with that.
I traveled to Vicksburg NMP a while back. When you go onto the hallowed ground, you notice several things; the graves for sureā¦.the Cairo that was sunk by the rebsā¦.and the monuments everywhere. Nowā¦Ohio has multiple monuments for every unit they had there so there were dozens of monuments commemorating Ohioās service there. Illinois had a huge walk-in structure. Pennsylvania had a wonderful monument as did Iowa. Kentuckyās was magnificent. New Hampshire? It was sitting on the side of the road. The tour guide we had said that NH did fund a monument but didnāt have a dedication ceremony. I envisioned a couple of guys pushing it off the back of a truck and taking off. Do you think there would be any chance of getting the states to build these monuments today? I doubt you could even get a hearing much less a bill passed to authorize the funding. Convincing Americans to build roads and factories in other states is hard enough; trying to get them to build them in other hemispheres is likely not going to work.
Illegal is illegal... They need to go to the back of the line and start overWhy would you want to do that? If Maria Reyes has been living in Phoenix as an illegal for 11 years working in a nail salon, never bothered anyone, raised a family, has kids going to school and has never broken the law other wiseā¦isnāt that the type of person we would want to have here if youāre going to allow immigration at all? Why put her ābehindā someone who has applied legally who may not be so benign or productive?
- Legalize everyone who is here today and put them at the end of the line for regular citizenship, with a sinister hidden agenda of making the countries they use to want to escape a much more attractive place to live, see below
Obviously.
- Deport those who break the law.
Not sure about this. I think it will just lead to more discrimination. As we always hear from the right, every document can be faked (birth certificates, DL,s SSN cardsā¦.) if youāre an employer, why would you hire someone who is brown skinned and risk heavy fines because their papers may be faked?
- Strictly enforce all hiring laws with American employers, with heavy fines
No opinion.
- Re-examine and modernize guest worker programs so people are not falling through the cracks
- Toss out anything resembling NAFTA and prepare the Americas for the below plan
- Create a new GSE (Government-Sponsored Enterprise) to protect American companies in the below plan
Or what? What if they donāt take the chance?
- Have serious "this is your one chance" conversations with South American leaders to aggressively address the drug cartels. And yes, by "aggressively address", that could include partnership with the American military. This is a public health and safety issue that has been ignored & avoided long enough.
Create a new, Americas-based manufacturing, distribution and consumption behemoth that would re-direct our dollars from China to the Americas.
- Partner with Canada and South American countries (those that work with us on #7 above) to issue GSE-backed bonds and invest heavily in infrastructure and low-end to mid-level manufacturing and support facilities up and down the Americas. Invite South American countries to, um, liberate the money they get from the cartels to finance some of this. Get these people good jobs, keep them home with their families, and stabilize the region.
There. That's a start. If you see something wrong, instead of tossing the whole thing out, let's tweak and improve it. The biggest problem is pretty obviously #7. Let's talk about that.
We used to do that here in America. Collaborate. Innovate.
.
Good luck with that.
I traveled to Vicksburg NMP a while back. When you go onto the hallowed ground, you notice several things; the graves for sureā¦.the Cairo that was sunk by the rebsā¦.and the monuments everywhere. Nowā¦Ohio has multiple monuments for every unit they had there so there were dozens of monuments commemorating Ohioās service there. Illinois had a huge walk-in structure. Pennsylvania had a wonderful monument as did Iowa. Kentuckyās was magnificent. New Hampshire? It was sitting on the side of the road. The tour guide we had said that NH did fund a monument but didnāt have a dedication ceremony. I envisioned a couple of guys pushing it off the back of a truck and taking off. Do you think there would be any chance of getting the states to build these monuments today? I doubt you could even get a hearing much less a bill passed to authorize the funding. Convincing Americans to build roads and factories in other states is hard enough; trying to get them to build them in other hemispheres is likely not going to work.
Illegal aliens need to go to the back of the line and wait at least 12/15 years to gain citizenshipā¦Illegal is illegal... They need to go to the back of the line and start overWhy would you want to do that? If Maria Reyes has been living in Phoenix as an illegal for 11 years working in a nail salon, never bothered anyone, raised a family, has kids going to school and has never broken the law other wiseā¦isnāt that the type of person we would want to have here if youāre going to allow immigration at all? Why put her ābehindā someone who has applied legally who may not be so benign or productive?
- Legalize everyone who is here today and put them at the end of the line for regular citizenship, with a sinister hidden agenda of making the countries they use to want to escape a much more attractive place to live, see below
Obviously.
- Deport those who break the law.
Not sure about this. I think it will just lead to more discrimination. As we always hear from the right, every document can be faked (birth certificates, DL,s SSN cardsā¦.) if youāre an employer, why would you hire someone who is brown skinned and risk heavy fines because their papers may be faked?
- Strictly enforce all hiring laws with American employers, with heavy fines
No opinion.
- Re-examine and modernize guest worker programs so people are not falling through the cracks
- Toss out anything resembling NAFTA and prepare the Americas for the below plan
- Create a new GSE (Government-Sponsored Enterprise) to protect American companies in the below plan
Or what? What if they donāt take the chance?
- Have serious "this is your one chance" conversations with South American leaders to aggressively address the drug cartels. And yes, by "aggressively address", that could include partnership with the American military. This is a public health and safety issue that has been ignored & avoided long enough.
Create a new, Americas-based manufacturing, distribution and consumption behemoth that would re-direct our dollars from China to the Americas.
- Partner with Canada and South American countries (those that work with us on #7 above) to issue GSE-backed bonds and invest heavily in infrastructure and low-end to mid-level manufacturing and support facilities up and down the Americas. Invite South American countries to, um, liberate the money they get from the cartels to finance some of this. Get these people good jobs, keep them home with their families, and stabilize the region.
There. That's a start. If you see something wrong, instead of tossing the whole thing out, let's tweak and improve it. The biggest problem is pretty obviously #7. Let's talk about that.
We used to do that here in America. Collaborate. Innovate.
.
Good luck with that.
I traveled to Vicksburg NMP a while back. When you go onto the hallowed ground, you notice several things; the graves for sureā¦.the Cairo that was sunk by the rebsā¦.and the monuments everywhere. Nowā¦Ohio has multiple monuments for every unit they had there so there were dozens of monuments commemorating Ohioās service there. Illinois had a huge walk-in structure. Pennsylvania had a wonderful monument as did Iowa. Kentuckyās was magnificent. New Hampshire? It was sitting on the side of the road. The tour guide we had said that NH did fund a monument but didnāt have a dedication ceremony. I envisioned a couple of guys pushing it off the back of a truck and taking off. Do you think there would be any chance of getting the states to build these monuments today? I doubt you could even get a hearing much less a bill passed to authorize the funding. Convincing Americans to build roads and factories in other states is hard enough; trying to get them to build them in other hemispheres is likely not going to work.
So if youāre going to fill a job, the first application you come across is the person you hire?
Illegal aliens need to go to the back of the line and wait at least 12/15 years to gain citizenshipā¦Illegal is illegal... They need to go to the back of the line and start overWhy would you want to do that? If Maria Reyes has been living in Phoenix as an illegal for 11 years working in a nail salon, never bothered anyone, raised a family, has kids going to school and has never broken the law other wiseā¦isnāt that the type of person we would want to have here if youāre going to allow immigration at all? Why put her ābehindā someone who has applied legally who may not be so benign or productive?
- Legalize everyone who is here today and put them at the end of the line for regular citizenship, with a sinister hidden agenda of making the countries they use to want to escape a much more attractive place to live, see below
Obviously.
- Deport those who break the law.
Not sure about this. I think it will just lead to more discrimination. As we always hear from the right, every document can be faked (birth certificates, DL,s SSN cardsā¦.) if youāre an employer, why would you hire someone who is brown skinned and risk heavy fines because their papers may be faked?
- Strictly enforce all hiring laws with American employers, with heavy fines
No opinion.
- Re-examine and modernize guest worker programs so people are not falling through the cracks
- Toss out anything resembling NAFTA and prepare the Americas for the below plan
- Create a new GSE (Government-Sponsored Enterprise) to protect American companies in the below plan
Or what? What if they donāt take the chance?
- Have serious "this is your one chance" conversations with South American leaders to aggressively address the drug cartels. And yes, by "aggressively address", that could include partnership with the American military. This is a public health and safety issue that has been ignored & avoided long enough.
Create a new, Americas-based manufacturing, distribution and consumption behemoth that would re-direct our dollars from China to the Americas.
- Partner with Canada and South American countries (those that work with us on #7 above) to issue GSE-backed bonds and invest heavily in infrastructure and low-end to mid-level manufacturing and support facilities up and down the Americas. Invite South American countries to, um, liberate the money they get from the cartels to finance some of this. Get these people good jobs, keep them home with their families, and stabilize the region.
There. That's a start. If you see something wrong, instead of tossing the whole thing out, let's tweak and improve it. The biggest problem is pretty obviously #7. Let's talk about that.
We used to do that here in America. Collaborate. Innovate.
.
Good luck with that.
I traveled to Vicksburg NMP a while back. When you go onto the hallowed ground, you notice several things; the graves for sureā¦.the Cairo that was sunk by the rebsā¦.and the monuments everywhere. Nowā¦Ohio has multiple monuments for every unit they had there so there were dozens of monuments commemorating Ohioās service there. Illinois had a huge walk-in structure. Pennsylvania had a wonderful monument as did Iowa. Kentuckyās was magnificent. New Hampshire? It was sitting on the side of the road. The tour guide we had said that NH did fund a monument but didnāt have a dedication ceremony. I envisioned a couple of guys pushing it off the back of a truck and taking off. Do you think there would be any chance of getting the states to build these monuments today? I doubt you could even get a hearing much less a bill passed to authorize the funding. Convincing Americans to build roads and factories in other states is hard enough; trying to get them to build them in other hemispheres is likely not going to work.
So if youāre going to fill a job, the first application you come across is the person you hire?
They broke the law, there has to be consequences and examples made.Illegal aliens need to go to the back of the line and wait at least 12/15 years to gain citizenshipā¦Illegal is illegal... They need to go to the back of the line and start overWhy would you want to do that? If Maria Reyes has been living in Phoenix as an illegal for 11 years working in a nail salon, never bothered anyone, raised a family, has kids going to school and has never broken the law other wiseā¦isnāt that the type of person we would want to have here if youāre going to allow immigration at all? Why put her ābehindā someone who has applied legally who may not be so benign or productive?
- Legalize everyone who is here today and put them at the end of the line for regular citizenship, with a sinister hidden agenda of making the countries they use to want to escape a much more attractive place to live, see below
Obviously.
- Deport those who break the law.
Not sure about this. I think it will just lead to more discrimination. As we always hear from the right, every document can be faked (birth certificates, DL,s SSN cardsā¦.) if youāre an employer, why would you hire someone who is brown skinned and risk heavy fines because their papers may be faked?
- Strictly enforce all hiring laws with American employers, with heavy fines
No opinion.
- Re-examine and modernize guest worker programs so people are not falling through the cracks
- Toss out anything resembling NAFTA and prepare the Americas for the below plan
- Create a new GSE (Government-Sponsored Enterprise) to protect American companies in the below plan
Or what? What if they donāt take the chance?
- Have serious "this is your one chance" conversations with South American leaders to aggressively address the drug cartels. And yes, by "aggressively address", that could include partnership with the American military. This is a public health and safety issue that has been ignored & avoided long enough.
Create a new, Americas-based manufacturing, distribution and consumption behemoth that would re-direct our dollars from China to the Americas.
- Partner with Canada and South American countries (those that work with us on #7 above) to issue GSE-backed bonds and invest heavily in infrastructure and low-end to mid-level manufacturing and support facilities up and down the Americas. Invite South American countries to, um, liberate the money they get from the cartels to finance some of this. Get these people good jobs, keep them home with their families, and stabilize the region.
There. That's a start. If you see something wrong, instead of tossing the whole thing out, let's tweak and improve it. The biggest problem is pretty obviously #7. Let's talk about that.
We used to do that here in America. Collaborate. Innovate.
.
Good luck with that.
I traveled to Vicksburg NMP a while back. When you go onto the hallowed ground, you notice several things; the graves for sureā¦.the Cairo that was sunk by the rebsā¦.and the monuments everywhere. Nowā¦Ohio has multiple monuments for every unit they had there so there were dozens of monuments commemorating Ohioās service there. Illinois had a huge walk-in structure. Pennsylvania had a wonderful monument as did Iowa. Kentuckyās was magnificent. New Hampshire? It was sitting on the side of the road. The tour guide we had said that NH did fund a monument but didnāt have a dedication ceremony. I envisioned a couple of guys pushing it off the back of a truck and taking off. Do you think there would be any chance of getting the states to build these monuments today? I doubt you could even get a hearing much less a bill passed to authorize the funding. Convincing Americans to build roads and factories in other states is hard enough; trying to get them to build them in other hemispheres is likely not going to work.
So if youāre going to fill a job, the first application you come across is the person you hire?
Sounds like a ārealā incentive for them to come out of the shadowsā¦first you get deported then you wait a generation to be able to come back. Not smart.
ok.They broke the law, there has to be consequences and examples made.Illegal aliens need to go to the back of the line and wait at least 12/15 years to gain citizenshipā¦Illegal is illegal... They need to go to the back of the line and start overWhy would you want to do that? If Maria Reyes has been living in Phoenix as an illegal for 11 years working in a nail salon, never bothered anyone, raised a family, has kids going to school and has never broken the law other wiseā¦isnāt that the type of person we would want to have here if youāre going to allow immigration at all? Why put her ābehindā someone who has applied legally who may not be so benign or productive?
Obviously.
Not sure about this. I think it will just lead to more discrimination. As we always hear from the right, every document can be faked (birth certificates, DL,s SSN cardsā¦.) if youāre an employer, why would you hire someone who is brown skinned and risk heavy fines because their papers may be faked?
No opinion.
Or what? What if they donāt take the chance?
Good luck with that.
I traveled to Vicksburg NMP a while back. When you go onto the hallowed ground, you notice several things; the graves for sureā¦.the Cairo that was sunk by the rebsā¦.and the monuments everywhere. Nowā¦Ohio has multiple monuments for every unit they had there so there were dozens of monuments commemorating Ohioās service there. Illinois had a huge walk-in structure. Pennsylvania had a wonderful monument as did Iowa. Kentuckyās was magnificent. New Hampshire? It was sitting on the side of the road. The tour guide we had said that NH did fund a monument but didnāt have a dedication ceremony. I envisioned a couple of guys pushing it off the back of a truck and taking off. Do you think there would be any chance of getting the states to build these monuments today? I doubt you could even get a hearing much less a bill passed to authorize the funding. Convincing Americans to build roads and factories in other states is hard enough; trying to get them to build them in other hemispheres is likely not going to work.
So if youāre going to fill a job, the first application you come across is the person you hire?
Sounds like a ārealā incentive for them to come out of the shadowsā¦first you get deported then you wait a generation to be able to come back. Not smart.
They broke the law, there has to be consequences and examples made.Illegal aliens need to go to the back of the line and wait at least 12/15 years to gain citizenshipā¦Illegal is illegal... They need to go to the back of the line and start overWhy would you want to do that? If Maria Reyes has been living in Phoenix as an illegal for 11 years working in a nail salon, never bothered anyone, raised a family, has kids going to school and has never broken the law other wiseā¦isnāt that the type of person we would want to have here if youāre going to allow immigration at all? Why put her ābehindā someone who has applied legally who may not be so benign or productive?
Obviously.
Not sure about this. I think it will just lead to more discrimination. As we always hear from the right, every document can be faked (birth certificates, DL,s SSN cardsā¦.) if youāre an employer, why would you hire someone who is brown skinned and risk heavy fines because their papers may be faked?
No opinion.
Or what? What if they donāt take the chance?
Good luck with that.
I traveled to Vicksburg NMP a while back. When you go onto the hallowed ground, you notice several things; the graves for sureā¦.the Cairo that was sunk by the rebsā¦.and the monuments everywhere. Nowā¦Ohio has multiple monuments for every unit they had there so there were dozens of monuments commemorating Ohioās service there. Illinois had a huge walk-in structure. Pennsylvania had a wonderful monument as did Iowa. Kentuckyās was magnificent. New Hampshire? It was sitting on the side of the road. The tour guide we had said that NH did fund a monument but didnāt have a dedication ceremony. I envisioned a couple of guys pushing it off the back of a truck and taking off. Do you think there would be any chance of getting the states to build these monuments today? I doubt you could even get a hearing much less a bill passed to authorize the funding. Convincing Americans to build roads and factories in other states is hard enough; trying to get them to build them in other hemispheres is likely not going to work.
So if youāre going to fill a job, the first application you come across is the person you hire?
Sounds like a ārealā incentive for them to come out of the shadowsā¦first you get deported then you wait a generation to be able to come back. Not smart.
