BACKFIRE: Philadelphia Implemented Soda Tax, But It Didn't Go As Planned

[22lcidw]

Philly actually had liquor police that stopped cars coming back from New Jersey on the bridges from liquor stores as it was much cheaper years ago. This soda tax was supposed to go for pre school where twenty five years ago American kids of this age were very advanced due to the TV shows at the time. it was when they entered school where the decline began.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Lol! So the claim is that people wasted gas and time to drive out of town to buy soda for a few cents less??? Yeah, that makes sense .

Shockingly the majority of working people actually leave their mom's basement. I would bet that class includes your mom. People travel. They plan. They do what is financially best for themselves.They pick stuff up while they travel. Your mom does this you just don't know it.

Let me give you an example.

I travel quite frequently to Kansas for work. Two things I never do. I never leave my small town without a full tank of diesel and do my best to get back before filling up again. I will only buy what I have to in Kansas in order to make it back home. I buy cartons of smokes and will never buy them outside my town. Diesel is 25 cents a gallon higher due to taxes and cigs are a dollar higher due to taxes. I don't buy anything in Kansas. Kansas guys do the opposite. If the job is on my side they fill up here and buy 4 or 5 cartons of smokes before going home.

Taxes matter. People aren't stupid and they aren't stuck in one shopping zone. They find ways around it.

As a truck driver I can tell you that's common practice for over the road drivers. They tell me they avoid buying diesel fuel in places like California or New York. They usually have 300 gallon tanks or so, and they can travel in and out of the state easily on a full tank.

As Ronald Reagan once said, if you want more of something, subsidize it. If you want less of something, tax it.

 

[Pilot1]

People do get addicted to sugar, but they are buying the sugary drinks outside of Philly city limits for the most part to avoid the tax. It has hurt retailers, Teamster truck drivers, and distributors which have both closed or downsized by laying people off. Most of these jobs were UNION jobs so some Philly city councilman are up in arms as the Union supported them but the Unions also supported the Mayor who is the tax's biggest proponent.

 

[iceberg]

nothing ever goes as planned
even pharos turn to sand

 

[jc456]

the hike was intended to improve their health.

Yeah right lol

Wanna buy a bridge?

it's called a sin tax. shame on you for drinking sugary drinks, to punish you, we will impose a tax on your drinks, just like cigarettes

 

[jc456]

People do get addicted to sugar, but they are buying the sugary drinks outside of Philly city limits for the most part to avoid the tax. It has hurt retailers, Teamster truck drivers, and distributors which have both closed or downsized by laying people off. Most of these jobs were UNION jobs so some Philly city councilman are up in arms as the Union supported them but the Unions also supported the Mayor who is the tax's biggest proponent.

it was repealed in Chicago for this reason. demolosers are just losers. they never see the end result of their evil.

 

[jc456]

Lol! So the claim is that people wasted gas and time to drive out of town to buy soda for a few cents less??? Yeah, that makes sense .

No. I don't know why I bother because you are consistently wrong about everything.

Most people have to leave the city anyway for work, or other reasons. On the way back from their trip, they stop at a store outside the city and stock up. Also, the few minute drive to get outside the city limits is worth it for people. It isn't only Soda, it is fruit juice, and anything the city defines as a "sugary drink".

Liberal/Progressive policies that sound good to some on their surface, always have unintended consequences that actually make the situation WORSE. Social engineering through government policy does not work.

They also may do ALL their shopping at a place outside the city instead of doing iit in the city.

So Pathmark doesn't lose, but the Pathmark in city limits does, and the city does because it loses all taxes on the sales, not just the drinks.

Absolutely. People are now going outside the city to do ALL their grocery shopping, so the city retailors, and the city lose out on sales and tax revenue. This was ALL anticipated by the opposition to the tax, yet the city went ahead with it anyway.

You know what it's like trying to teach a liberal something.

you can teach a liberal?

 

[jc456]

No. I don't know why I bother because you are consistently wrong about everything.

Most people have to leave the city anyway for work, or other reasons. On the way back from their trip, they stop at a store outside the city and stock up. Also, the few minute drive to get outside the city limits is worth it for people. It isn't only Soda, it is fruit juice, and anything the city defines as a "sugary drink".

Liberal/Progressive policies that sound good to some on their surface, always have unintended consequences that actually make the situation WORSE. Social engineering through government policy does not work.

They also may do ALL their shopping at a place outside the city instead of doing iit in the city.

So Pathmark doesn't lose, but the Pathmark in city limits does, and the city does because it loses all taxes on the sales, not just the drinks.

Absolutely. People are now going outside the city to do ALL their grocery shopping, so the city retailors, and the city lose out on sales and tax revenue. This was ALL anticipated by the opposition to the tax, yet the city went ahead with it anyway.

You know what it's like trying to teach a liberal something.

Yes...it is easier teaching math to a dog than to teach any liberal anything......at least with a dog there is a chance they will understand the math....

This all kind of reminds me of what happened here a few years ago.

Cleveland thought they would jump on the liberal bandwagon of making minimum wage 15 bucks an hour. After careful study, they realized it would only chase businesses out of the city and into the suburbs. So their next attempt was to try and get the county to make 15 bucks the minimum wage to keep the businesses, and the county rejected the idea for the same exact reason.

They stood no chance at the proposal for the state. But even if they could and successful, it would only chase jobs out of the state.

You can't teach these people anything even it it's right in front of their face.

they know no tough love, nor understand it. success is hard, and trying to give away success fails. It's why socialism fails around the globe. People need to earn what it is they need, not get it for free. dumbing down of the globe. amazing. they are truly brainwashed fks.

 

[blastoff]

The citizens of Philadelphia have been rocked by a tax on sugary drinks like soda, although the hike was intended to improve their health.

As outlined by Hotair on Saturday, the “soda tax” has actually led to Philadelphia residents traveling outside the city to buy their soda (and likely other goods), decreased the city’s revenue, and led to layoffs in the local beverage industry and cut hours for employees at small markets. It did not, however, lead to an increase in healthier beverage purchases in the city.

When the soda tax was first announced, workers at Pepsi took a hit. “With sales slumping because of the new Philadelphia sweetened beverage tax, Pepsi said Wednesday that it will lay off 80 to 100 workers at three distribution plants that serve the city,” philly.com reported in March of 2017.

And last month, the local outlet reported that the owner of Acme Markets, who has 16 stores in Philadelphia, had to cut employees’ hours because of the tax: “The beverage tax fell on about 4,000 items. In Acme city stores, soda sales dropped as much as 80 percent. Sales of other items covered by the tax, such as juices, creamers and energy drinks, were down 30 percent, and the number of customers declined by 5 percent. Philly stores cut an average of 150 to 200 employee hours per week, resulting in lighter paychecks for employees."

But the hit the employees took did not equate to a win for the “health” of its citizens. As noted by Hotair, Philadelphia residents were traveling outside the city to avoid the tax hike on their drinks.

A CNN report on a study from medical journal JAMA focused in on the 51% drop in city soda purchases, but admitted: “While researchers found that sales of sugary beverages fell in Philadelphia after the tax, beverage sales in nearby towns and counties without the tax went up. That suggests people may have been traveling to get their soda at a reduced price.”

“People stopped buying their soda in the city (and almost undoubtedly a lot of other shopping list items) and decided to shop where prices were lower,” Hotair noted.

So was there at least an uptick in healthier beverage purchases because of the tax? Nope. “Philadelphia did not see an increase in sales of untaxed beverages such as bottled water,” CNN reported.

CNN did not discuss the revenue hit Philadelphia took, but Hotair did: “The tax on soda increased by 17%, but the sales fell by 51%. So, let’s look at this assuming one million ounces of soda was sold annually before the tax went into effect. If sales had remained the same, the city would have realized $62,400.00 in revenue instead of $54,300.00. But with the volume cut in half, they managed to slash their revenue to $31,200.00.”

Government-think at its finest!

And if you told every idiot who voted for such increases the results would be as has unfolded, they’d have gone ahead and voted for it anyway.

 

[jc456]

The citizens of Philadelphia have been rocked by a tax on sugary drinks like soda, although the hike was intended to improve their health.

As outlined by Hotair on Saturday, the “soda tax” has actually led to Philadelphia residents traveling outside the city to buy their soda (and likely other goods), decreased the city’s revenue, and led to layoffs in the local beverage industry and cut hours for employees at small markets. It did not, however, lead to an increase in healthier beverage purchases in the city.

When the soda tax was first announced, workers at Pepsi took a hit. “With sales slumping because of the new Philadelphia sweetened beverage tax, Pepsi said Wednesday that it will lay off 80 to 100 workers at three distribution plants that serve the city,” philly.com reported in March of 2017.

And last month, the local outlet reported that the owner of Acme Markets, who has 16 stores in Philadelphia, had to cut employees’ hours because of the tax: “The beverage tax fell on about 4,000 items. In Acme city stores, soda sales dropped as much as 80 percent. Sales of other items covered by the tax, such as juices, creamers and energy drinks, were down 30 percent, and the number of customers declined by 5 percent. Philly stores cut an average of 150 to 200 employee hours per week, resulting in lighter paychecks for employees."

But the hit the employees took did not equate to a win for the “health” of its citizens. As noted by Hotair, Philadelphia residents were traveling outside the city to avoid the tax hike on their drinks.

A CNN report on a study from medical journal JAMA focused in on the 51% drop in city soda purchases, but admitted: “While researchers found that sales of sugary beverages fell in Philadelphia after the tax, beverage sales in nearby towns and counties without the tax went up. That suggests people may have been traveling to get their soda at a reduced price.”

“People stopped buying their soda in the city (and almost undoubtedly a lot of other shopping list items) and decided to shop where prices were lower,” Hotair noted.

So was there at least an uptick in healthier beverage purchases because of the tax? Nope. “Philadelphia did not see an increase in sales of untaxed beverages such as bottled water,” CNN reported.

CNN did not discuss the revenue hit Philadelphia took, but Hotair did: “The tax on soda increased by 17%, but the sales fell by 51%. So, let’s look at this assuming one million ounces of soda was sold annually before the tax went into effect. If sales had remained the same, the city would have realized $62,400.00 in revenue instead of $54,300.00. But with the volume cut in half, they managed to slash their revenue to $31,200.00.”

Government-think at its finest!

And if you told every idiot who voted for such increases the results would be as has unfolded, they’d have gone ahead and voted for it anyway.

ain't that the fking truth. the dems are the kkk and the blacks vote for them. can't make up this shit at all. oppressive people voting for their oppressors. I laugh. they deserve what they haven't received.

 

[Cellblock2429]

If they now travel to get Soda.....did the Gas Tax or Train revenue increase? To offset the losses?

/—-/ Not if they car polled or combined orders or bought gas in the other city.

 

[Flash]

Things never go the way these stupid Libtards think it will go. Never.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Things never go the way these stupid Libtards think it will go. Never.

/——-/ I’m old enough to remember the Progs tax on US made Yachts. Even Lurch Kerry snuck around the tax. But the folly cost jobs and revenue when folks bought their Yachts overseas. Finally repealed.

 

[jc456]

Things never go the way these stupid Libtards think it will go. Never.

again, facts are not their friend.

 

[Dekster]

My city was considering adding a 30 cent a pack smoke tax until it realized that most people would just drive out of the city to buy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

My city was considering adding a 30 cent a pack smoke tax until it realized that most people would just drive out of the city to buy.

So common with the left.

When states did the same thing, there were bootleg cigarette around. People used to drive to Alabama to buy hundreds of cartons of cigarettes, and bring them up to Ohio to sell them cheaper.

At the time, I was working for a vending company. One of my jobs was to go downtown and have our meter filled. The meter was used to put an Ohio stamp on all packs of cigarettes that we sold. The clerk was telling me how the state had agents go into public places like bars and restaurants (smoking was okay in those places back then) and they would look for cigarette without the Ohio stamp on it. If they found one, they would issue a summons to court for the user. If the user wanted to get out of paying the fine, he or she would have to rat out where they bought the cigarettes from.

 

[Dekster]

My city was considering adding a 30 cent a pack smoke tax until it realized that most people would just drive out of the city to buy.

So common with the left.

When states did the same thing, there were bootleg cigarette around. People used to drive to Alabama to buy hundreds of cartons of cigarettes, and bring them up to Ohio to sell them cheaper.

At the time, I was working for a vending company. One of my jobs was to go downtown and have our meter filled. The meter was used to put an Ohio stamp on all packs of cigarettes that we sold. The clerk was telling me how the state had agents go into public places like bars and restaurants (smoking was okay in those places back then) and they would look for cigarette without the Ohio stamp on it. If they found one, they would issue a summons to court for the user. If the user wanted to get out of paying the fine, he or she would have to rat out where they bought the cigarettes from.

I used to buy cartons of smokes and take them to NYC with me when I went fairly regularly for people up there. Thing is, there are very few places in my city where you cannot be out of my city in 15 minutes so it isn't like it would be a big inconvenience. We have people coming across the state line to buy gas in my city because our state's gas tax is 50 cents less per gal.

 

[Intolerant]

The citizens of Philadelphia have been rocked by a tax on sugary drinks like soda, although the hike was intended to improve their health.

As outlined by Hotair on Saturday, the “soda tax” has actually led to Philadelphia residents traveling outside the city to buy their soda (and likely other goods), decreased the city’s revenue, and led to layoffs in the local beverage industry and cut hours for employees at small markets. It did not, however, lead to an increase in healthier beverage purchases in the city.

When the soda tax was first announced, workers at Pepsi took a hit. “With sales slumping because of the new Philadelphia sweetened beverage tax, Pepsi said Wednesday that it will lay off 80 to 100 workers at three distribution plants that serve the city,” philly.com reported in March of 2017.

And last month, the local outlet reported that the owner of Acme Markets, who has 16 stores in Philadelphia, had to cut employees’ hours because of the tax: “The beverage tax fell on about 4,000 items. In Acme city stores, soda sales dropped as much as 80 percent. Sales of other items covered by the tax, such as juices, creamers and energy drinks, were down 30 percent, and the number of customers declined by 5 percent. Philly stores cut an average of 150 to 200 employee hours per week, resulting in lighter paychecks for employees."

But the hit the employees took did not equate to a win for the “health” of its citizens. As noted by Hotair, Philadelphia residents were traveling outside the city to avoid the tax hike on their drinks.

A CNN report on a study from medical journal JAMA focused in on the 51% drop in city soda purchases, but admitted: “While researchers found that sales of sugary beverages fell in Philadelphia after the tax, beverage sales in nearby towns and counties without the tax went up. That suggests people may have been traveling to get their soda at a reduced price.”

“People stopped buying their soda in the city (and almost undoubtedly a lot of other shopping list items) and decided to shop where prices were lower,” Hotair noted.

So was there at least an uptick in healthier beverage purchases because of the tax? Nope. “Philadelphia did not see an increase in sales of untaxed beverages such as bottled water,” CNN reported.

CNN did not discuss the revenue hit Philadelphia took, but Hotair did: “The tax on soda increased by 17%, but the sales fell by 51%. So, let’s look at this assuming one million ounces of soda was sold annually before the tax went into effect. If sales had remained the same, the city would have realized $62,400.00 in revenue instead of $54,300.00. But with the volume cut in half, they managed to slash their revenue to $31,200.00.”

Anything democrats touch turns to shit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

My city was considering adding a 30 cent a pack smoke tax until it realized that most people would just drive out of the city to buy.

So common with the left.

When states did the same thing, there were bootleg cigarette around. People used to drive to Alabama to buy hundreds of cartons of cigarettes, and bring them up to Ohio to sell them cheaper.

At the time, I was working for a vending company. One of my jobs was to go downtown and have our meter filled. The meter was used to put an Ohio stamp on all packs of cigarettes that we sold. The clerk was telling me how the state had agents go into public places like bars and restaurants (smoking was okay in those places back then) and they would look for cigarette without the Ohio stamp on it. If they found one, they would issue a summons to court for the user. If the user wanted to get out of paying the fine, he or she would have to rat out where they bought the cigarettes from.

I used to buy cartons of smokes and take them to NYC with me when I went fairly regularly for people up there. Thing is, there are very few places in my city where you cannot be out of my city in 15 minutes so it isn't like it would be a big inconvenience. We have people coming across the state line to buy gas in my city because our state's gas tax is 50 cents less per gal.

It's all so silly. Reminds me of years ago when the Democrat Congress made it illegal to sell toilets with two gallon tanks. So people started to go to Canada to buy toilets and sell them in the US.

The new toilets manufacturers were forced to make didn't flush for shit (no pun intended). I think they were 1.4 gallons at the time, and you had to flush them three times to do the same job as the 2 gallon toilets you only flushed once.

 

[Dekster]

My city was considering adding a 30 cent a pack smoke tax until it realized that most people would just drive out of the city to buy.

So common with the left.

When states did the same thing, there were bootleg cigarette around. People used to drive to Alabama to buy hundreds of cartons of cigarettes, and bring them up to Ohio to sell them cheaper.

At the time, I was working for a vending company. One of my jobs was to go downtown and have our meter filled. The meter was used to put an Ohio stamp on all packs of cigarettes that we sold. The clerk was telling me how the state had agents go into public places like bars and restaurants (smoking was okay in those places back then) and they would look for cigarette without the Ohio stamp on it. If they found one, they would issue a summons to court for the user. If the user wanted to get out of paying the fine, he or she would have to rat out where they bought the cigarettes from.

I used to buy cartons of smokes and take them to NYC with me when I went fairly regularly for people up there. Thing is, there are very few places in my city where you cannot be out of my city in 15 minutes so it isn't like it would be a big inconvenience. We have people coming across the state line to buy gas in my city because our state's gas tax is 50 cents less per gal.

It's all so silly. Reminds me of years ago when the Democrat Congress made it illegal to sell toilets with two gallon tanks. So people started to go to Canada to buy toilets and sell them in the US.

The new toilets manufacturers were forced to make didn't flush for shit (no pun intended). I think they were 1.4 gallons at the time, and you had to flush them three times to do the same job as the 2 gallon toilets you only flushed once.

One of our bathrooms has a low flow toilet. I realized this winter when I went in there that was the first time I had been in that particular bathroom in two years.