Backdoor healthcare for illegals

[PeterS]

If turning hospitals into the INS makes it possible to deport all these leeches, than so be it.

Do you understand how much that would cost?

Do you understand the moral cost?

What you are asking for is people to have to present their "papers" to get life saving treatment.

You will end up with DEAD Americans as well as dead illegals.

Think of it, a hospital can just say "hey they presented no papers so we refused to treat them". then they can wash their hands of ANYONE who cant pay right at the moment they are admitted.

What you people are asking for is complete stupidity all because ......... because........... well I cant even think of why you would insist on being soooo fucking stupid.

They don't get it which is what amazes me. On the plus side we would solve our labor problem but I still say that if we are going to bloat government it is better to do so in a way that actually brings benefit.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Backdoor healthcare for illegals

When they put the final ink on this Health Care bullshit, we're all going to get it in the backdoor...

 

[Truthmatters]

Funny how its GREAT to grow a corporation to any size ( even too big to fail or it will cripple the world economy) but the government is not supposed to be big enough to keep the corps from crippling us.

They have been fed the republican paplum sooo long they cant think anything through without consulting the talking points.

Everytime you get people to look at all the surrounding facts they come to the same solution.

That is why the rest of the economically viable countries in this world have gone to single payer.

Now their corps domnt have to bare the burden of providing health care for their employees.

American corps still bare that burden....... Does that make them less competative with the rest of teh worlds corpss? YES

 

[Truthmatters]

Backdoor healthcare for illegals

When they put the final ink on this Health Care bullshit, we're all going to get it in the backdoor...

do you think you have anything including facts to say or is this all of the republican talking points you could retain in your brain today?

 

[Truthmatters]

How does forcing our corporations to provide healthcare make them more competative with the foriegn corps?

Come on big dog .

 

[rdean]

BACKDOOR HEALTHCARE FOR ILLEGALS

Obama is providing HC for illegal aliens when he just gave $480 billion to medical clinics around the country. These clinics are predominantly used by illegal aliens and staffed by Hispanics because they speak Spanish. Illegal aliens receive medical care and pay according to their income, but all their income is not declared so they pay the minimum. One of those clinics is the HAWC clinic here in Reno, NV. That clinic have already received some of the stimulus money, taxpayers money, to expand their services. 90% of the patients and staff are Hispanic.
Obama did not give them healthcare by way of the healthcare plan, but is sneaking it in by wary of the $480 billion. Do not tell me this man do not know what he is doing. We are the ones who do not know what he is doing. We have been paying and we continue to pay for healthcare for illegal aliens. And we will continue to pay until enforcement is taken seriously.
Even if affordable healthcare is made available to illegal aliens they would not enroll because it would cost them and they can get it free by using emergency rooms as a primary medical care. Many pregnant women go to ER and do not declare that they are not married when they are and receive free delivery. Just look at the birth announcements in your local paper. Another expense is when a gang member get shot or stabbed, paramedics pick them up and they are treated in ER and often hospitalized. Another expense to the American taxpayer.
Illegal immigration is a homeland security problem because it is harming Americans and more of a threat than foreign terrorist.
In the past 10 years, 70 hospitals alone in California have closed because of treating those who do not have medical care. Many are illegal aliens. When those hospitals close, thousands of Americans lose their jobs.
We cannot see the forest for the trees. We are so busy hating Obama because of his color, that we fail to see what he is really doing.

So I see the rant, but I didn't see any suggested solution. Tell you what. Get a job at an emergency room and when a young mother brings her baby in because it's "turning blue", you be the one to tell her to take her spawn and go die somewhere it won't cost any money to good people such as yourself. Make sure you look her in the face when you break your good news.

 

[Truthmatters]

There is a real evil streak to the current R approach to illegals.

They claim to care about the costs we bare because of them but them fight anything designed to lower the cost.

Then they want to seek the MOST costly way to deal with them wether its the medical cost here or the crazy idea that we can just round them all up and march them home and it would be free to do so.

Even Bush when he looked at the problem came to his senses on how to do it , what did they do?

Blew a fricking gasket.

Why does the right insist on refusing to use logic to solve problems let alone morals?

 

[Big Black Dog]

How does forcing our corporations to provide healthcare make them more competative with the foriegn corps?

Come on big dog .

How do you think, seriously, the government is going to do anything to improve the health care in this country, when they can't manage social security, medicare, cash for clunkers, or any other program the government has ever dreamed up? It's all one big joke. All the government is doing is taking over control of your life and not really adding anything constructive to the process at all. The care they are tossing out is going to cost everybody a big sack full of cash and do nothing but add confusion to the process. If you don't believe this, then it is you that are simply barking out liberal talking points.

 

[Angelhair]

Right back to you Truthmatters. Never ceases to amaze me - the intolerance of the bleeding hearts.

Do you understand how much that would cost?
So? Pay now or pay later! And the way it looks we are going to pay NOW and LATER!!

Do you understand the moral cost?
Moral cost??? What do you think it has been costing?? Moral and in every other way.

What you are asking for is people to have to present their "papers" to get life saving treatment.
No, idiot. Treat them and then deport them.

You will end up with DEAD Americans as well as dead illegals.
Look around you. We already have DEAD Americans AND illegals. What woud differ?

Think of it, a hospital can just say "hey they presented no papers so we refused to treat them". then they can wash their hands of ANYONE who cant pay right at the moment they are admitted.
FYI - it's against the law to refuse to treat them. Moot point.

What you people are asking for is complete stupidity
Nah, no stupidity here - just respect for our sovereign laws.

 

[LilOlLady]

'There is another reason for treating people no matter who they are an its a moral reason, are you willing to allow a child to bleed to death because they dont have identification on them?'

This country will continue to treat those who are in need of medical treatment - it has in the past, it does now, it will in the future - but - this is not the only expense that is carried by the american taxpayer. Do your own research and then get back to me. The USA is a caring and generous country - but it too has its limits.

No, treat this child then put them on a plane back to Mexico.

 

[obama2ndterm]

Obama. He is a bleeding heart radical liberal ? Hardly you remain an ignorant bigot!
I certainly do not want the people around my food to be sick!

 

[Angelhair]

The people around your food have not a thing to do with Obama and everything to do with the Health Department doing its job.

 

[antipartisan]

Why does the right insist on refusing to use logic to solve problems let alone morals?

I'm not on the right, but funny you mention morals while supporting law breakers.

And yet again from the illegal immigrant cheerleaderrs, no mention of legal and tax paying immigrants who obey the American laws and are not leeching the system. You'll be giving us free healthcare too right? Guess it's better to just hop the border than running hoops in the visa office for years.

 

[Angelhair]

Maybe you fail to get it. It's NOT about IMMIGRANTS and everything to do with ILLEGAL immigrants. Two very different issues.

 

[Walt]

Those clinics are essential and critical to have for all the American citizens...like here in maine....our citizens in rural Maine need them for their own care and we DO NOT have illegal immigrants here.

Why don't the states that have problems with illegals entering them, take care of their own problem and keep the illegal's from entering at their borders? I guess I don't understand why those states that have a kazillion illegals have to punish states like mine who desperately need health care clinics for THEIR CITIZENS?

If anyone is sick and in need of help, illegal or legal, they should be helped....this is the only humane thing to do.

Border control should be addressed....NOT through a back door manner by denying someone who is sick, the care needed to make them better....or to save their life.

care

Care are you saying you do not have illegals in rural Maine. Or none in Maine at all?

Now to address the question of back door medical for illegals. I do not think it will matter. If they put it in the bill it will be followed. If they put a provision in the bill denying medical to illegals it will be appealed to the SC. Where I believe it will be over turned due to the equal protection clause. Just as we must school them. We will have to pay for their medical.

 

[keee keee]

amnesty is next on the agenda. citizenship, free medical, aid= life long votes!!!!

 

[keee keee]

Border control should be addressed....NOT through a back door manner by denying someone who is sick, the care needed to make them better....or to save their life. Give them medical help, then finger print, photograph, voice graph, advice that if they come back illegally they will do prison time and NEVER be allowed to come back. then deport to country of origin then bill that country for medical services rendered and freight charges to ship back.

 

[Care4all]

Those clinics are essential and critical to have for all the American citizens...like here in maine....our citizens in rural Maine need them for their own care and we DO NOT have illegal immigrants here.

Why don't the states that have problems with illegals entering them, take care of their own problem and keep the illegal's from entering at their borders? I guess I don't understand why those states that have a kazillion illegals have to punish states like mine who desperately need health care clinics for THEIR CITIZENS?

If anyone is sick and in need of help, illegal or legal, they should be helped....this is the only humane thing to do.

Border control should be addressed....NOT through a back door manner by denying someone who is sick, the care needed to make them better....or to save their life.

care

Care are you saying you do not have illegals in rural Maine. Or none in Maine at all?

Now to address the question of back door medical for illegals. I do not think it will matter. If they put it in the bill it will be followed. If they put a provision in the bill denying medical to illegals it will be appealed to the SC. Where I believe it will be over turned due to the equal protection clause. Just as we must school them. We will have to pay for their medical.

none that i have ever come across!!! I think it is too damn cold for them!!!!! and really far far away.... we can't get CITIZENS to stay here!

 

[AmericanFirst]

I don't hate Obama because of his color, I hate him because he is a socialist and he is ruining this country. And by the way this is the first thing I seen you say I can agree on.

 

[AmericasBrave58]

BACKDOOR HEALTHCARE FOR ILLEGALS

Obama is providing HC for illegal aliens when he just gave $480 billion to medical clinics around the country. These clinics are predominantly used by illegal aliens and staffed by Hispanics because they speak Spanish. Illegal aliens receive medical care and pay according to their income, but all their income is not declared so they pay the minimum. One of those clinics is the HAWC clinic here in Reno, NV. That clinic have already received some of the stimulus money, taxpayers money, to expand their services. 90% of the patients and staff are Hispanic.
Obama did not give them healthcare by way of the healthcare plan, but is sneaking it in by wary of the $480 billion. Do not tell me this man do not know what he is doing. We are the ones who do not know what he is doing. We have been paying and we continue to pay for healthcare for illegal aliens. And we will continue to pay until enforcement is taken seriously.
Even if affordable healthcare is made available to illegal aliens they would not enroll because it would cost them and they can get it free by using emergency rooms as a primary medical care. Many pregnant women go to ER and do not declare that they are not married when they are and receive free delivery. Just look at the birth announcements in your local paper. Another expense is when a gang member get shot or stabbed, paramedics pick them up and they are treated in ER and often hospitalized. Another expense to the American taxpayer.
Illegal immigration is a homeland security problem because it is harming Americans and more of a threat than foreign terrorist.
In the past 10 years, 70 hospitals alone in California have closed because of treating those who do not have medical care. Many are illegal aliens. When those hospitals close, thousands of Americans lose their jobs.
We cannot see the forest for the trees. We are so busy hating Obama because of his color, that we fail to see what he is really doing.

AHH!!! That crooked ass hole!! I could care less what color he is, cause i am not racist, but to give away our precious Health Care to those who violate the United States law of Immigration, and to give it away like candy to a child, is wrong and a total unjust to those who are here and are legal, as well as the American citizens who desperately need and require our major health care programs.480 billion dollars all for the illegals. You sell your own people out just to kiss ass on illegals who invade our country. Yes!!!! indeed a major major traitor to your own country and it's people. I am so!!!! so!!! sorry that i helped put this traitor into office.SHAME ON ME!!!and others who see it now.