B.S. Alert - 25,000 Iraqi civilians killed since invasion

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    I'm calling MAJOR BS on this right now - considering the source:


    25,000 Iraqi civilians killed since invasion

    US military 'responsible for one-third of deaths'

    Jonathan Steele and Richard Norton-Taylor
    Wednesday July 20, 2005
    The Guardian

    Nearly 25,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed in the two years since the invasion, and four times as many died at the hands of US-led forces than suicide bombers and other insurgents, according to a detailed study of the human cost of the conflict.
    The survey, which calculates the toll of dead and injured since March 2003, also shows that the rate of criminal violence has risen dramatically.

    According to Iraq Body Count and the Oxford Research Group, the two independent researchers behind the study, the figures in the report should be regarded as the "baseline of the minimum number of deaths".

    It has concluded that:

    · At least 24,865 civilians were killed up to March 19 2005.

    · 9,270 or 37% died at the hands of the Americans or other coalition forces (86 were killed by British troops, 23 by Italians, and 13 by Ukrainians). Most of these deaths are thought to have occurred during the conflict and its aftermath.

    · The second largest cause of death (36%) was criminal violence.

    · Anti-occupation forces have been responsible for 2,353 deaths.

    · At least 50 babies up to the age of two have been killed;

    · 1,281 children aged between three and 17 have also died.

    Every death was verified by at least two sources before being included in the research, based on figures from Iraqi mortuaries, the Iraqi ministry of health, and media reports.

    One of the many surprises in the survey is the huge surge in crime since the invasion.

    The survey points to the criminal murder rate soaring 20 fold since the invasion.

    "This is the big untold story," said John Sloboda of the Oxford Research Group.

    "There has been a massive breakdown in law and order and almost total impunity for criminals."

    The total number of deaths in the study is significantly lower than the estimated 98,000 figure in a disputed study in the medical journal The Lancet last autumn.

    "The key point is that all the studies are talking about tens of thousands of additional deaths," said Prof Sloboda. He said yesterday's report provided "an absolutely firm, unshakeable baseline of the minimum number of violent deaths".

    He points to an admission by the then Foreign Office minister, Bill Rammell, in a parliamentary answer on January 11: "The Ministry of Defence has not assisted the Iraqi government efforts to collate casualty numbers. We have no methodology which would allow us to produce accurate estimates".

    The study shows that more than 45,000 Iraqis have been wounded since March 2003, two-thirds of them by coalition forces.

    Almost twice as many civilians (11,351) died in the second year after the invasion as the first.

    The report does not cover deaths of Iraqi forces in combat, but it does include deaths among policemen and recruits queuing to join the security forces in an insurgency which appears to have gathered pace in recent months.

    The UK government said yesterday there was no reliable or accurate account of the number of deaths in Iraq and that people were now being killed primarily because of the insurgency.

    Yesterday, the violence continued, with a Sunni member of the constitutional committee being gunned down outside a Baghdad restaurant.

    The committee suspended its work yesterday after news that gunmen had killed Mijbil Issa, who was shot, with two companions, as he left a restaurant in the Karradah district of Baghdad.

    Issa was among 15 Sunni Arabs added last month to a committee of parliamentarians in charge of drafting a new constitution by August 15.

    The addition of the Sunnis was an attempt to reach out to the once dominant but now alienated minority that forms the backbone of the insurgency.

    Two Sunni committee members have already resigned after threats from Sunni militants who violently oppose any dealings with Iraq's new political establishment.

    The head of the constitutional committee, Humam Hammoudi, condemned the killing.

    "The aim behind the assassination is to hinder the political process, but we will continue our work, and so will our Sunni brothers too, in drafting the constitution," he said, promising to upgrade security for all members of the commission.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1532157,00.html


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    Isn't The Guardian considered to be very moderate to conservative in English press circles?

    Whatever, it is as much BS as the reason behind going into Iraq in the first place. You just don't want to see the unfavorable truth.
     
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    Umm.. no.. The Guardian is one of the MOST LIBERAL UK publications...

    As far as your crap about "BS Reasons to go into Iraq" Please take a dose of:

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showpost.php?p=299526&postcount=1

    Then call me in the morning...
     
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    Obviously you do because you always bring up "False reasoning for going into Iraq" - IF THAT'S THE CASE GO TELL IT DO YOUR DEMOCRAT BUDDIES AND THE F'N UN! They're the ones who've provided GOOD reasons for going into Iraq..

    If you can't admit that then I give up on ya...
     
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    We went into Iraq because people like you enjoy seeing people die. On both sides.
    Not that you would ever go. :gay:
     
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    Frankly, I don't doubt the numbes. Death is a sad, but inevitable part of war. Consider this... if the US is resonsible for 1/3 (of which I am sure non were "targeted") that means AQ and the insurgents are responsible for 2/3 of which 100% were targeted. That should be the headline.

    I saw this on BBC earlier, but didn't put it up because, as you mention, the story is skewed.
     

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