Ayn Rand vs Christianity

[kwc57]

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for supporting slavery like the retarded Statist you are

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JBeukema

WTF JB? Statist? I'm a libertarian you jack ass and where the fuck did accusing me of supporting slavery come from? You need to lighten up Francis.

 

[AllieBaba]

To do those things it is limited to do in the Constitution. We are a nation of laws.

So whatever's on a piece of papers?

What if that paper says to kill the Jews and establishg a master race?

We are talking a specific piece of paper here that is the foundation of this nation. Care to show me those items in our Constitution? What, not there? You're argument is invalid then.

So the foundation of our government is one piece of paper only?

That's the problem. It's not. There was a lot of discussion through the years, and there continues to be discussion, about what this country is and what its guiding principles are.

Those guiding principles are listed in the Declaration, and were discussed at length by the FF. THEY ALL AGREED THEY WOULD FOLLOW A CHRISTIAN VALUE SYSTEM. That is not to say they would name a state religion (quite the opposite) or instill a theocracy; that's not to say they were all of one faith or one mind about God. It means they agreed that to make a functional and fully free Republic, they needed to adhere to common principles, and they agreed that the principles they would adhere to were Christian ones. That means NT principles.

 

[JBeukema]

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for supporting slavery like the retarded Statist you are

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WTF JB? Statist? I'm a libertarian you jack ass and where the fuck did accusing me of supporting slavery come from? You need to lighten up Francis.

Libertarian? Bullshit. If that were the case, you'd appeal to principle, not law.

As for slavery

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress

 

[Contumacious]

Does her novel in any way reflect the reality of the society we have?

Yes, indeed it does.

[Atlas Shrugged] explores a dystopian United States where leading innovators, ranging from industrialists to artists, refuse to be exploited by society. The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry (including Taggart Transcontinental, the once mighty transcontinental railroad for which she serves as the Vice President of Operations), while society's most productive citizens, led by the mysterious John Galt, progressively disappear. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the "minds" that drive society's growth and productivity. In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where people are slaves to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.

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[Bfgrn]

Does her novel in any way reflect the reality of the society we have?

Yes, indeed it does.

[Atlas Shrugged] explores a dystopian United States where leading innovators, ranging from industrialists to artists, refuse to be exploited by society. The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry (including Taggart Transcontinental, the once mighty transcontinental railroad for which she serves as the Vice President of Operations), while society's most productive citizens, led by the mysterious John Galt, progressively disappear. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the "minds" that drive society's growth and productivity. In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where people are slaves to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.

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So Rand plays perfectly into the right wing mind...

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.
Edmund Burke

 

[Contumacious]

Does her novel in any way reflect the reality of the society we have?

Yes, indeed it does.

[Atlas Shrugged] explores a dystopian United States where leading innovators, ranging from industrialists to artists, refuse to be exploited by society. The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry (including Taggart Transcontinental, the once mighty transcontinental railroad for which she serves as the Vice President of Operations), while society's most productive citizens, led by the mysterious John Galt, progressively disappear. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the "minds" that drive society's growth and productivity. In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where people are slaves to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.

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So Rand plays perfectly into the right wing mind...

How so? The welfare/warfare state was created by BOTH parties.

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[kwc57]

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for supporting slavery like the retarded Statist you are

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WTF JB? Statist? I'm a libertarian you jack ass and where the fuck did accusing me of supporting slavery come from? You need to lighten up Francis.

Libertarian? Bullshit.

Actually, I am.....and you can choke on it comrade.

 

[bripat9643]

Have the religious right ever figured out that Ayn Rand hated the idea of sacrafice for other human beings?


It occurs to me that many of the people who worship Rands ideas also claim christianity.

They are ideas which are diametricly opposed to each other.

That's true. What you don't understand is that not everyone who despises socialism is a fundamentalist Christian. I'm an atheist. I agree with Rand's views on religion.

 

[Truthmatters]

Then I wasnt talking to you was I.

Read the question again without thinking everything revolves arround you.

 

[bripat9643]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)


Objectivism is a philosophy defined by the Russian-American philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand (1905–1982). Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest, that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for individual rights, embodied in laissez faire capitalism, and that the role of art in human life is to transform man's widest metaphysical ideas, by selective reproduction of reality, into a physical form—a work of art—that he can comprehend and to which he can respond emotionally.


Is this in line with Christianity?

Nothing mentioned conflicts directly with Christianity. However, that doesn't mean Rand wasn't an Atheist.

 

[Truthmatters]

the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest

Never saw that in the bible.


Want to appologise for your earler post?

 

[bripat9643]

Libertarian? Bullshit. If that were the case, you'd appeal to principle, not law.

As for slavery

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress

You left off the most important part, asshole:

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight​

 

[JBeukema]

So you would have fought to the death for slavery in 1817 because the Law and Statism outweighs the basic human rights of a bunch of *******.

You are a Statistic piece of shit. Constitutionalism is a religion that requires that you support slavery because COTUS said you couldn't get rid of it.

That's the difference between Statism (appealing to the Law for it is the Law and the Law is the word of God for the State is God) and having principles (the Law can be wrong and, when it is, it is not valid and should never be followed)

That's the difference between you and me. You support Hitler, turn in Anne Frank, turn in runaway slaves, and hand your own daughter in tor extermination because the Law says so and someone added it to your religious text. That's what happens when retards like you elevate COTUS to the status of the bible- Constitutionalism is a religion.

People like me, on the other hand, fight NAZIs in the streets and refuse to kill anyone with brown eyes just because the Law says so. Because people with principles don't appeal to the Law as though it means anything at all when it conflicts with what's right. We're not bound to the Law.

I am not a Constitutionalist. I don't have to try apologize for supporting slavery like you do. Because that law was never legitimate and neither was the government that enforced it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest

Never saw that in the bible.


Want to appologise for your earler post?

Have you read the Bible? If so, can you point to the part where it says a person should not pursue their own happiness?

 

[Contumacious]

the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest

Never saw that in the bible.


Want to appologise for your earler post?

Have you read the Bible? If so, can you point to the part where it says a person should not pursue their own happiness?

Genesis 3:16

16To the woman he said,

“I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;

with pain you will give birth to children.

Your desire will be for your husband,

and he will rule over you.”

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[Mr. Shaman]

Have the religious right ever figured out that Ayn Rand hated the idea of sacrafice for other human beings?


It occurs to me that many of the people who worship Rands ideas also claim christianity.

They are ideas which are diametricly opposed to each other.

As usual, you're clueless. She believed in the individual. The right to keep what you have worked for, the right not to let someone else be a leech and reap the fruits of your labor.

YEAH.....like those damned, dirty JE....er, WORKERS!!!!!​

"Ayn Rand, of course, was a kind of politicized L. Ron Hubbardhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard#From_Dianetics_to_Scientologyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard#From_Dianetics_to_Scientology—a novelist-philosopher who inspired a cult of acolytes who deem her the greatest human being who ever lived. The enduring heart of Rand’s totalistic philosophy was Marxism flipped upside down. Rand viewed the capitalists, not the workers, as the producers of all wealth, and the workers, not the capitalists, as useless parasites."

Everything But The Swastika​

Keep the FAITH, Randers!!!

"The manifesto, bylined by someone calling himself Andrew Berwick, is entitled "2083: A European Declaration of Independence" and was posted on Stormfront.org, a white supremacist website, and discovered by American blogger Kevin I. Slaughter.

In it, "Berwick" declares himself a "Justiciar Knight Commander," a leading member of a "re-founded" Knights Templar group formed at an April 2002 meeting in London. He claims the founding group has 9 members, whom he does not name, and that three other sympathizers were not able to attend the original meeting.

"Our purpose," the document reads, is to "seize political and military control of Western European countries and implement a cultural conservative political agenda."

KRISTALNACHT; 2011!!!​

 

[Si modo]

Have the religious right ever figured out that Ayn Rand hated the idea of sacrafice for other human beings?


It occurs to me that many of the people who worship Rands ideas also claim christianity.

They are ideas which are diametricly opposed to each other.

Poor thing doesn't realize that those who like small government like the idea of the First Amendment (and the rest of the Constitution).