aww isnt that cute, more muslim special accomodations, and aclu is silent

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http://www.nysun.com/article/59485

U. of Michigan Will Provide Muslim Footbaths
By P.J. HUFFSTUTTER
Los Angeles Times
July 31, 2007


When Majed Afana needs to pray while attending classes at the University of Michigan at Dearborn, the 19-year-old Muslim usually will duck into the campus library's bathroom, strip off his shoes, and awkwardly strain to wash his feet in the sink.

Water often pools at his feet, he says, making it slippery to balance on one foot. Some of the sinks have started to pull away from the wall, in part from years of use by others like him Â-- who, according to their faith, must clean their feet prior to praying five times a day. So when the school recently approved installing two footbaths in a pair of new unisex bathrooms, to accommodate the needs of both male and female Muslim students, the local Islamic community started planning ways to raise the estimated $25,000 cost.

But the university told them not to bother Â-- it would pay for the footbaths.

"I think it's great," said Mr. Afana, a pre-med student at this commuter school, where about a reported 11% of the 8,700 students are Muslim. "What we've been doing all these years has been dangerous and can be a safety hazard."

The university says it's tapping student infrastructure fees for the unisex bathrooms, which will also have diaper-changing stations and facilities for mothers to nurse infants, because this is an issue of the school trying to make its bathrooms safer and improve its plumbing Â-- not endorsing religion or promoting Islam.

And while the fees are part of the school's general fund, the money is paid by students, not taxpayers, and is often used for campus maintenance and general construction. The plan, however, has raised the ire of critics, who have been flocking to area conservative Web logs and Michigan radio talk shows to rail against the plan. They insist that such efforts are giving Islamic followers preferential treatment over other faiths.

"Plumbing? You must be kidding. That's an after-the-fact justification for something that is being done for the purpose of meeting a religious demand," said the Reverend Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C.

"You start permanently changing your architecture for one religious group, you have to do it for all. After all, what's the difference between a footbath used as part of a ritual, and a fountain that can be used for a baptism?" asked Rev. Lynn. "Considering there are 2,000 different religious groups in America, that's a very slippery slope."

Yet groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union who are usually fierce advocates of separating church and state are giving the plan an approving nod.
 
How is that special treatment? The Christians at the school I attend have a choice of about half a dozen on-campus chapels and churches. As far as I know there aren't any Muslim facilities at all.

I don't see how this is "special" treatment, unless by "special" you mean giving one group nearly everything and giving another group nearly nothing and then bitching like a little crybaby when that group gets anything.


You're right though Muslims sure get a lot of special treatment in this society. Like at airports they're always so friendly to the Muslims.



Not to mention anyone who supports Bush's faith based initiatives - and I'm not saying you do - but if you did, you'd by a hypocrite, since through these initiatives Bush has succeeded in spending the taxpayers money on thousands of Bibles and other "special accommodations" for Christians.






Christians wash their hands before prayers, too. When do you wash your hands? Before meals. What do Christians do before meals? Pray. They're washing their hands before prayer, therefore, it is a ritual, thus public money should not be spent on sinks.
 
How is that special treatment? The Christians at the school I attend have a choice of about half a dozen on-campus chapels and churches. As far as I know there aren't any Muslim facilities at all.

I don't see how this is "special" treatment, unless by "special" you mean giving one group nearly everything and giving another group nearly nothing and then bitching like a little crybaby when that group gets anything.


You're right though Muslims sure get a lot of special treatment in this society. Like at airports they're always so friendly to the Muslims.



Not to mention anyone who supports Bush's faith based initiatives - and I'm not saying you do - but if you did, you'd by a hypocrite, since through these initiatives Bush has succeeded in spending the taxpayers money on thousands of Bibles and other "special accommodations" for Christians.






Christians wash their hands before prayers, too. When do you wash your hands? Before meals. What do Christians do before meals? Pray. They're washing their hands before prayer, therefore, it is a ritual, thus public money should not be spent on sinks.

Yup, usual clap trap by leftoid apologists. Personally I have no problem with the campus buying foot washers, but it is special treatment.
 
How is that special treatment? The Christians at the school I attend have a choice of about half a dozen on-campus chapels and churches. As far as I know there aren't any Muslim facilities at all.

I don't see how this is "special" treatment, unless by "special" you mean giving one group nearly everything and giving another group nearly nothing and then bitching like a little crybaby when that group gets anything.


You're right though Muslims sure get a lot of special treatment in this society. Like at airports they're always so friendly to the Muslims.



Not to mention anyone who supports Bush's faith based initiatives - and I'm not saying you do - but if you did, you'd by a hypocrite, since through these initiatives Bush has succeeded in spending the taxpayers money on thousands of Bibles and other "special accommodations" for Christians.






Christians wash their hands before prayers, too. When do you wash your hands? Before meals. What do Christians do before meals? Pray. They're washing their hands before prayer, therefore, it is a ritual, thus public money should not be spent on sinks.

How is it not special treatment? It's using my tax dollars to cater to a religion. If you can't cater to mine, you can't cater to his. Or is that too fair for you?
 
I gotta agree with gunny, cater to all, or cater too none.


I have to agree here. An institute of education has no obligation to a religion that feels god only speaks to people with clean feet, and who do this :bowdown: every day at 9am or something. Where is the education in that?

If there is going to be special treatment to religions, keep it in religious schools. Public institutions give special treatment to those who seek logic and reasonable explanations for every observable event. Thats what I seek, give me special treatment, not this guy :bowdown:
 
The anti-American and anti-Christian ACLU is certainly duplicitous.

Another example:
ACLU-lawsuit Gets Christian Cross at War Memorial Covered with Tarp; Courts: Wiccan Symbols OK
http://christiansstandingwithisrael.blogspot.com/2007/05/aclu-lawsuit-gets-christian-cross-at.html


"The anti-American and anti-Christian ACLU is certainly duplicitous."


Anti-christian? Care to retract that false statement?

Here are just some of the cases ACLU took on, to defend the religious freedoms of christians. They even teamed up with JERRY FALWELL on one case. The ACLU defends everyone's constitutional rights and freedom of religion, regardless of what Sean Hannity instructed you to think:


ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School

DES MOINES--The Iowa Civil Liberties Union today announced that it is publicly supporting the Christian students who recently filed a lawsuit against the Davenport Schools asserting the right to distribute religious literature during non-instructional time.

"The school's policy against the distribution of religious literature outside of class is clearly wrong," said Ben Stone, Executive Director of the ICLU. "Not only does the policy violate the students' right to freely exercise their religious beliefs, but it also infringes on their free speech rights," he said.
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"The First Amendment says the government can't restrict the right of people to practice their personal religious beliefs, while at the same time it forbids the government from endorsing religious beliefs, especially in a school setting," said Stone.

http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/r...s20020711.html

After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries

DETROIT - The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan today announced an out-of-court settlement between the Utica Community School District and a local student over the censorship of her 2001 yearbook entry. The student's entry had been deleted from the yearbook because it contained a passage from the Bible.

"While it is true that the Constitution forbids public schools to promote religion, schools must be careful not to suppress the private religious expression of students," said ACLU of Michigan Legal Director Michael J. Steinberg, who represented the student. "In this case, a high school purported to create an open forum for student expression, yet censored a student's speech because it was religious in nature.

http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/e...s20040511.html

The ACLU of Virginia (2002) joined the Rev. Jerry Falwell in winning a lawsuit arguing the Virginia Constitution's provision that bans religious organizations from incorporating is unconstitutional.

www.aclu.org/religion/frb/16040prs20020417.html

The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2002) publicly supported a group of Christian students who filed a lawsuit against Davenport Schools asserting their right to distribute religious literature during non-instructional time. The ICLU filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the suit on behalf of the students.

www.aclu.org/studentsrights/religion/12811prs20020711.html

The ACLU of Massachusetts (2002) filed a brief supporting the right of the Church of the Good News to run ads criticizing the secularization of Christmas and promoting Christianity as the "one true religion" after the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority refused to allow the paid advertisements to be posted and to sell additional advertising space to the church.

www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/10925prs20020108.html

The ACLU of Michigan (beginning in 2001) represented Abby Moler, a student at Sterling Heights Stevenson High School, whose yearbook entry was deleted because of its religious content

. www.freep.com/cgi-bin/forms/printerfriendly.pl; www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12845prs20040511.html

The ACLU of Eastern Missouri (1999) secured a favorable settlement for a nurse, Miki M. Cain, who was fired for wearing a cross-shaped lapel pin on her uniform. legalminds.lp.findlaw.com/list/news/msg00021.html

The ACLU of Virginia (1997-1999) represented Rita Warren and her mission to erect a crèche on Fairfax County government space that had been set aside as a public forum. The ACLU argued restricting the use of the public forum to county residents only was an unreasonable restriction. The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the ACLU.

www.providence.edu/polisci/cammarano/article-Masters.htm; www.catholicherald.com/eddesk/97ed/ed971211.htm

Iowa affiliate of the ACLU (1995) represented and vindicated the free speech and religious expression of a conservative Christian activist, Elaine Jaquith of Waterloo, who had been denied access to broadcast her message on public television. www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12852prs20050429.html

The ACLU of Vermont (1994-95) represented evangelical Christians Freda and Perry Hollyer, who were denied Medicaid and food stamp benefits because they refused to obtain social security numbers for their children. The Hollyers believed that obtaining social security numbers for their children ran contrary to their understanding of the Book of Revelations. The ACLU appealed the denial to the state's Human Services Board. The Board ruled in favor of the Hollyers holding that the state's legitimate interests in preventing fraud could be achieved without use of a social security number. The Board's ruling is on file with the ACLU's Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief.

The ACLU of Utah (1990s) represented an evangelical Christian ministry that had been evicted and denied future access as a vendor at a state fair because fair-goers objected to the religious content of the message. www.acluutah.org/01report.htm

The ACLU of Oregon (2004-05) filed suit on behalf of high school basketball players from an Adventist school against the Oregon School Activities Association, which administers competitive athletic and artistic competitions in Oregon high schools. The ACLU argued that the Adventist basketball players who have made it to the state tournament should not be required to play tournament games on Saturday, their Sabbath. The case, argued in Oregon courts, is Nakashima v. Board Of Education.
www.aclu-or.org/litigation/portlandadventacademy/PAA.html

RHODE ISLAND ACLU FILES APPEAL ON BEHALF OF INMATE BARRED FROM PREACHING AT CHRISTIAN SERVICES

The Rhode Island ACLU has filed an appeal in federal court on behalf of an ACI inmate who has been barred from preaching during Christian religious services at the state prison. The plaintiff, Wesley Spratt, had been preaching at ACI services for seven years before he was unilaterally stopped from doing so based on vague and generalized “security” concerns. The appeal, filed by ACLU volunteer attorney Carly Beauvais Iafrate, argues that the preaching ban violates a federal law designed to protect the religious freedom of institutionalized persons.

Spratt, who considers his preaching a “calling” from God, had been preaching at religious services on a weekly basis under the supervision, and with the support, of clergy at the ACI. The DOC provided no evidence of security problems during, or as the result of, his supervised preaching during the seven years he had been doing so. Nonetheless, when a new warden took over the maximum security facility in 2003, Spratt was ordered to stop preaching.....snip

ACLU attorney Iafrate said today: “RLUIPA is an important federal law that was designed to protect the religious freedom of people like Wesley Spratt. That law is undermined if courts give uncritical deference to prison officials in denying inmates the right to practice their religion.”

http://www.riaclu.org/20060111.html

ACLU of Louisiana Files Lawsuit to Protect Free Speech Rights of Christian Protestor

NATCHITOCHES, LA -- Today the American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana filed a lawsuit on behalf of a lone protestor who was denied his free expression rights by the city of Natchitoches. Edwin Crayton, a devout Christian, sought to stand in front of Wal-Mart in Natchitoches with a sign protesting the corporation’s alleged position on gay marriage.

http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/protest/27266prs20061027.html

The ACLU of Nevada (2005) defended the free exercise rights and free speech rights of evangelical Christians to preach on the sidewalks of the Strip in Las Vegas.

www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=3379553&nav=15MVaB2T

The ACLU of New Jersey (2005) filed a a motion to submit a friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of Olivia Turton, a second-grade student who was forbidden from singing "Awesome God" in a voluntary, after-school talent show.

The only restriction on the student's selection for the talent show was that it be "G-rated." The case, filed in federal court, is Turton, et al. v. Frenchtown Elementary School, et al.

www.aclu.org/religion/schools/20174prs20050920.html

The ACLU of Louisiana (2005) filed suit against the Department of Corrections on behalf of a Mormon inmate, Norman Sanders, who was denied the right to practice his religion by being denied access to religious texts, including The Book of Mormon, and Mormon religious services. "Mormons should receive the same accommodation of their beliefs as do individuals of other faiths," said Joe Cook, Executive Director, ACLU of Louisiana. "Fair and equal treatment means they deserve the right to a place to meet, have a minister and discuss their beliefs like other groups."

www.laaclu.org/SandersvCain;

The ACLU of Oregon (2004-05) filed suit on behalf of high school basketball players from an Adventist school against the Oregon School Activities Association, which administers competitive athletic and artistic competitions in Oregon high schools. The ACLU argued that the Adventist basketball players who have made it to the state tournament should not be required to play tournament games on Saturday, their Sabbath. The case, argued in Oregon courts, is Nakashima v. Board Of Education.

www.aclu-or.org/litigation/portlandadventacademy/PAA.html

The ACLU of Nevada (2004) represented a Mormon high school student, Kim Jacobs, who school authorities suspended and then attempted to expel for not complying with the school dress code and wearing T-shirts with religious messages. Jacobs won a preliminary victory in court where the judge ruled the school could not expel her for not complying with the dress code. The First Amendment issue of student expression is before the Ninth Circuit.

www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/text/2004/sep/09/517482854.html; www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/sun/2004/nov/19/517853141.html

The ACLU of Washington (2004) reached a favorable settlement on behalf of Donald Ausderau, a Christian minister, who wanted to preach to the public on Plaza sidewalks.

www.aclu-wa.org/detail.cfm?id=57

The ACLU of Virginia (2004) interceded with local authorities on behalf of Baptist preachers who were refused permission to perform baptisms in the river in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County.

www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A16839-2004Jun4; www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/16230prs20040603.html

The ACLU of Massachusetts (2003) intervened on behalf of a group of students at Westfield High School who were suspended for distributing candy canes and a religious message in school. The ACLU succeeded in having the suspensions revoked and filed an amicus brief in a lawsuit brought on behalf of the students against the school district. Students who were suspended include Daniel S. Souza, Stephen J. Grabowski, Sharon L. Sitler and Paul Sitler.

www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12828prs20030221.html
 
"The anti-American and anti-Christian ACLU is certainly duplicitous."


Anti-christian? Care to retract that false statement?

Here are just some of the cases ACLU took on, to defend the religious freedoms of christians. They even teamed up with JERRY FALWELL on one case. The ACLU defends everyone's constitutional rights and freedom of religion, regardless of what Sean Hannity instructed you to think:

Bunch of outta control lawyers.
 
How is it not special treatment? It's using my tax dollars to cater to a religion. If you can't cater to mine, you can't cater to his. Or is that too fair for you?

Christians have become so accustomed to the special treatment that they have received for centuries in America that they no longer see them as special treatments. They are taken for granted. Now that times are changing and small accommodations are being made to accommodate the traditional practices of other religions, Christians are having a fit. Consider the fact public schools for a long time wasted so much time reciting Christian prayers over the public address systems to a practically captive student audience. Consider the annoyance of the loud church bells that chime every Sunday morning. Consider the Christian chapels at local hospitals and public facilities that have no similar room for Muslims. Now places are providing a small measure of service for Muslims – Oh No!!!
 
"The anti-American and anti-Christian ACLU is certainly duplicitous."


Anti-christian? Care to retract that false statement?

Here are just some of the cases ACLU took on, to defend the religious freedoms of christians. They even teamed up with JERRY FALWELL on one case. The ACLU defends everyone's constitutional rights and freedom of religion, regardless of what Sean Hannity instructed you to think:

Communists are two-faced liars.
 
Communists are two-faced liars.

Wow! :rolleyes: What an intelligent rebuttal. Instead of responding to the many examples of the ACLU defending Christians, he resorts to name-calling. Hey, buddy. You said that the ACLU was anti-Christian. Yet, DeadCanDance provided many examples to the contrary. I want to see you responding to the list of cases.
 
I know what would "cut the Gordian knot" here--auction off the universities, then let whoever owns them decide what they will or won't install.
 
Communists are two-faced liars.

That's all you've got in response?

You said ACLU was anti-christian.

I showed you a plethora of cases where ACLU defended the religious rights and freedoms of christians. Even teaming up with Jerry Falwell, in one case.

And your only response is basically: "They're lying!"

This is the lamest response ever on this board. You sure your sticking with that as your response? Or would you kindly address the dozens of cases where ACLU defended christians.

You know, just because you heard on Sean Hannity's radio show that ACLU doesn't defend christians, doesn't make it true. Hannity and Limbaugh make their living peddling lies and falsehoods, to cater to their base listeners. They're entertainers - they're not required to tell the truth.
 
That's all you've got in response?

You said ACLU was anti-christian.

I showed you a plethora of cases where ACLU defended the religious rights and freedoms of christians. Even teaming up with Jerry Falwell, in one case.

And your only response is basically: "They're lying!"

This is the lamest response ever on this board. You sure your sticking with that as your response? Or would you kindly address the dozens of cases where ACLU defended christians.

You know, just because you heard on Sean Hannity's radio show that ACLU doesn't defend christians, doesn't make it true. Hannity and Limbaugh make their living peddling lies and falsehoods, to cater to their base listeners. They're entertainers - they're not required to tell the truth.

Just like truthdoesntmatter and a host of liberals on this board do not have to tell the truth.Hell Truth and care do not even proof read the links they provide and get embarressed when their own links say the opposite of what ever it is they claim they say.
 
Just like truthdoesntmatter and a host of liberals on this board do not have to tell the truth.Hell Truth and care do not even proof read the links they provide and get embarressed when their own links say the opposite of what ever it is they claim they say.

what ARE you babbling about? Either you're drunk, or you are one delusional, dishonest mofo.

Where did my links "embaras" me? Did you just make that up, cause it sounded good?

I provided about thirty links, which documented that the ACLU has a long history of defending the religious freedoms of christians. And every other faith too. You cons simply can't believe it, can you? Have you been conditioned by rightwing talk radio lies to assume ACLU never defended any chrisitans?
 
Uhh, the ACLU defends Christians all the time. Why do right wing Christian nut bags like yourself think that if you ignore the truth it will simply go away?

Why do left wing Secularist nutbags like yourself think the two-faced ACLU isn't gutting free expression of religion from our society? Go to the "Kiss my ass" thread and read post #21, Myth#6. Stop drinking the anti-American, anti-God ACLU kommy koolaid.
 

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