Average Canadian Family Paying More Than 12K Yearly to Fund Public Healthcare

[Syriusly]

The Median Household Income in Canada is $70,000.... that means half the households make more than $70k and half make less than the $70k.

The median total income of Canadian households reached $70,336 in 2015, a 10.8 per cent increase from $63,457 in 2005. The Northwest Territories had the highest median income in Canada at $117,688, followed by Nunavut at $97,441 and Alberta at $93,835.Sep 13, 2017

In the USA the median household income is $56,500.


Median household income rose to $56,516 in 2015, up 5.2% from a year earlier, according to data released by the U.S. Census Bureau Tuesday.Sep 13, 2016

LOOKS LIKE Canada has the better deal....
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How Much Does Health Insurance Cost Without A Subsidy? - eHealth Insurance Resource Center

Average premiums and deductibles nationwide unsubsidized shoppers: Premiums for individual coverage averaged $321 per month while premiums for family plans averaged $833 per month. The average annual deductible for individual plans was $4,358 and the average deductible for family plans was $7,983.Oct 10, 2016

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How much is spent on healthcare in the United States each year?

According to CMS (here) our National Healthcare Expenditure (NHE) is projected to hit $3.207 trillion this year. The U.S. Population is currently hovering at around 320 million, so 2015 looks to be the first year healthcare spending will reach $10,000 per person.Jan 4, 2015

U.S. Healthcare Spending On Track To Hit $10,000 Per Person This Year

Does that include their tax burden?
Didnt think so.

it includes what Canadian tax payers pay for their healthcare, which was on average $12k a year per family unit according to the Title of this thread. I am presuming that is the total cost of what these families spend on it, and the total avg cost their government spends on it, per household....but that I am not certain....

And the extra links show what we in the USA spend on Health Care, per person, which on average is $10k per person, a year....

We pay around $7200 a year through Blue Cross and it's top notch healthcare.
I've had cancer surgery,hip replacement,back surgery and some major oral surgery over the last four years and it didnt cost a dime out of pocket other than insurance payments.

That is some amazing health insurance. No co-pays. No minimums, no maximums.
For $7200 a year?

You do realize that almost no Americans other than Congressman have health insurance that good- right?

 

[Care4all]

Then you look at our VA, the shining example of government-run healthcare. It's a mess. People die waiting for care. Long waiting lists for appointments. And the left wants that for the entire country.

That is simply not true! What they are calling for is MEDICARE for all....or something similar. Where the govt acts as the insurer, and the hospitals and doctors are all in the private sector.

NO ONE is calling for the hospitals and doctors becoming government owned, like the VA system.

 

[Political Junky]

Cons are good at repeating whatever the Alt-Right tells them about health care.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The Median Household Income in Canada is $70,000.... that means half the households make more than $70k and half make less than the $70k.

The median total income of Canadian households reached $70,336 in 2015, a 10.8 per cent increase from $63,457 in 2005. The Northwest Territories had the highest median income in Canada at $117,688, followed by Nunavut at $97,441 and Alberta at $93,835.Sep 13, 2017

In the USA the median household income is $56,500.


Median household income rose to $56,516 in 2015, up 5.2% from a year earlier, according to data released by the U.S. Census Bureau Tuesday.Sep 13, 2016

LOOKS LIKE Canada has the better deal....
------------------------------------------------
How Much Does Health Insurance Cost Without A Subsidy? - eHealth Insurance Resource Center

Average premiums and deductibles nationwide unsubsidized shoppers: Premiums for individual coverage averaged $321 per month while premiums for family plans averaged $833 per month. The average annual deductible for individual plans was $4,358 and the average deductible for family plans was $7,983.Oct 10, 2016

--------------------------------------------------------

How much is spent on healthcare in the United States each year?

According to CMS (here) our National Healthcare Expenditure (NHE) is projected to hit $3.207 trillion this year. The U.S. Population is currently hovering at around 320 million, so 2015 looks to be the first year healthcare spending will reach $10,000 per person.Jan 4, 2015

U.S. Healthcare Spending On Track To Hit $10,000 Per Person This Year

Does that include their tax burden?
Didnt think so.

it includes what Canadian tax payers pay for their healthcare, which was on average $12k a year per family unit according to the Title of this thread. I am presuming that is the total cost of what these families spend on it, and the total avg cost their government spends on it, per household....but that I am not certain....

And the extra links show what we in the USA spend on Health Care, per person, which on average is $10k per person, a year....

We pay around $7200 a year through Blue Cross and it's top notch healthcare.
I've had cancer surgery,hip replacement,back surgery and some major oral surgery over the last four years and it didnt cost a dime out of pocket other than insurance payments.

That is some amazing health insurance. No co-pays. No minimums, no maximums.
For $7200 a year?

You do realize that almost no Americans other than Congressman have health insurance that good- right?

You obviously havent read the whole thread.
Get back with me when you do.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Cons are good at repeating whatever the Alt-Right tells them about health care.

"Cons. Alt-right. I have buzzwords, so your argument is invalid!"

 

[Political Junky]

Then you look at our VA, the shining example of government-run healthcare. It's a mess. People die waiting for care. Long waiting lists for appointments. And the left wants that for the entire country.

That is simply not true! What they are calling for is MEDICARE for all....or something similar. Where the govt acts as the insurer, and the hospitals and doctors are all in the private sector.

NO ONE is calling for the hospitals and doctors becoming government owned, like the VA system.

And Medicare works beautifully.

 

[dblack]

Then you look at our VA, the shining example of government-run healthcare. It's a mess. People die waiting for care. Long waiting lists for appointments. And the left wants that for the entire country.

That is simply not true! What they are calling for is MEDICARE for all....or something similar. Where the govt acts as the insurer, and the hospitals and doctors are all in the private sector.

NO ONE is calling for the hospitals and doctors becoming government owned, like the VA system.

If they're government paid, they're government owned.

 

[Syriusly]

The Median Household Income in Canada is $70,000.... that means half the households make more than $70k and half make less than the $70k.

The median total income of Canadian households reached $70,336 in 2015, a 10.8 per cent increase from $63,457 in 2005. The Northwest Territories had the highest median income in Canada at $117,688, followed by Nunavut at $97,441 and Alberta at $93,835.Sep 13, 2017

In the USA the median household income is $56,500.


Median household income rose to $56,516 in 2015, up 5.2% from a year earlier, according to data released by the U.S. Census Bureau Tuesday.Sep 13, 2016

LOOKS LIKE Canada has the better deal....
------------------------------------------------
How Much Does Health Insurance Cost Without A Subsidy? - eHealth Insurance Resource Center

Average premiums and deductibles nationwide unsubsidized shoppers: Premiums for individual coverage averaged $321 per month while premiums for family plans averaged $833 per month. The average annual deductible for individual plans was $4,358 and the average deductible for family plans was $7,983.Oct 10, 2016

--------------------------------------------------------

How much is spent on healthcare in the United States each year?

According to CMS (here) our National Healthcare Expenditure (NHE) is projected to hit $3.207 trillion this year. The U.S. Population is currently hovering at around 320 million, so 2015 looks to be the first year healthcare spending will reach $10,000 per person.Jan 4, 2015

U.S. Healthcare Spending On Track To Hit $10,000 Per Person This Year

Does that include their tax burden?
Didnt think so.

it includes what Canadian tax payers pay for their healthcare, which was on average $12k a year per family unit according to the Title of this thread. I am presuming that is the total cost of what these families spend on it, and the total avg cost their government spends on it, per household....but that I am not certain....

And the extra links show what we in the USA spend on Health Care, per person, which on average is $10k per person, a year....

We pay around $7200 a year through Blue Cross and it's top notch healthcare.
I've had cancer surgery,hip replacement,back surgery and some major oral surgery over the last four years and it didnt cost a dime out of pocket other than insurance payments.

That is some amazing health insurance. No co-pays. No minimums, no maximums.
For $7200 a year?

You do realize that almost no Americans other than Congressman have health insurance that good- right?

You obviously havent read the whole thread.
Get back with me when you do.

I have read it all- you have Blue Cross through your wife's employer- and you pay $7200 a year- and have no idea how much your wife's employer pays- it is likely to be more than you are paying. And you didn't pay a dime of out of pocket expenses for cancer surgery, hip replacement, back surgery or oral surgery.

I frankly don't know of anyone who has such gold plated fantastic health insurance- and I applaud the luck or fortune of your wife to be employed by such a fantastically generous employer.

Enjoy it and don't ever let your wife leave that job.

By any chance is she employed by a medical group or hospital?

(and that is another problem with our current health insurance).

 

[Cecilie1200]

Then you look at our VA, the shining example of government-run healthcare. It's a mess. People die waiting for care. Long waiting lists for appointments. And the left wants that for the entire country.

That is simply not true! What they are calling for is MEDICARE for all....or something similar. Where the govt acts as the insurer, and the hospitals and doctors are all in the private sector.

NO ONE is calling for the hospitals and doctors becoming government owned, like the VA system.

And Medicare works beautifully.

For a definition of "beautifully" that very few people OTHER than you are actually interested in.

 

[Care4all]

Then you look at our VA, the shining example of government-run healthcare. It's a mess. People die waiting for care. Long waiting lists for appointments. And the left wants that for the entire country.

That is simply not true! What they are calling for is MEDICARE for all....or something similar. Where the govt acts as the insurer, and the hospitals and doctors are all in the private sector.

NO ONE is calling for the hospitals and doctors becoming government owned, like the VA system.

If they're government paid, they're government owned.

so, right now, the Insurance companies are the ones who own the doctors and hospitals??

 

[Political Junky]

Then you look at our VA, the shining example of government-run healthcare. It's a mess. People die waiting for care. Long waiting lists for appointments. And the left wants that for the entire country.

That is simply not true! What they are calling for is MEDICARE for all....or something similar. Where the govt acts as the insurer, and the hospitals and doctors are all in the private sector.

NO ONE is calling for the hospitals and doctors becoming government owned, like the VA system.

If they're government paid, they're government owned.

So, Blue Cross owns your hospital?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Does that include their tax burden?
Didnt think so.

it includes what Canadian tax payers pay for their healthcare, which was on average $12k a year per family unit according to the Title of this thread. I am presuming that is the total cost of what these families spend on it, and the total avg cost their government spends on it, per household....but that I am not certain....

And the extra links show what we in the USA spend on Health Care, per person, which on average is $10k per person, a year....

We pay around $7200 a year through Blue Cross and it's top notch healthcare.
I've had cancer surgery,hip replacement,back surgery and some major oral surgery over the last four years and it didnt cost a dime out of pocket other than insurance payments.

That is some amazing health insurance. No co-pays. No minimums, no maximums.
For $7200 a year?

You do realize that almost no Americans other than Congressman have health insurance that good- right?

You obviously havent read the whole thread.
Get back with me when you do.

I have read it all- you have Blue Cross through your wife's employer- and you pay $7200 a year- and have no idea how much your wife's employer pays- it is likely to be more than you are paying. And you didn't pay a dime of out of pocket expenses for cancer surgery, hip replacement, back surgery or oral surgery.

I frankly don't know of anyone who has such gold plated fantastic health insurance- and I applaud the luck or fortune of your wife to be employed by such a fantastically generous employer.

Enjoy it and don't ever let your wife leave that job.

By any chance is she employed by a medical group or hospital?

(and that is another problem with our current health insurance).

As I said.
The only out of pocket was premiums and from our medical savings account.
Which we barely dented and can carry on into the following years or cash in.
Zero unexpected costs and no worries.
Nothing will change when the wife retires other than the health savings account which we've saved for over twenties years.
Which should be more than enough to get us through our golden years as far as outside costs go.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

That is simply not true! What they are calling for is MEDICARE for all....or something similar. Where the govt acts as the insurer, and the hospitals and doctors are all in the private sector.

NO ONE is calling for the hospitals and doctors becoming government owned, like the VA system.

When the government is the only one footing the bill who do you think becomes in control?

 

[Care4all]

nnnnnn

That is simply not true! What they are calling for is MEDICARE for all....or something similar. Where the govt acts as the insurer, and the hospitals and doctors are all in the private sector.

NO ONE is calling for the hospitals and doctors becoming government owned, like the VA system.

When the government is the only one footing the bill who do you think becomes in control?

well, I can see that....but I don't think it will be only the government... no More so than it is now with the Insurance companies being the majority payer to all the hospitals and doctors... the hospitals are still owned by stock holders

the people have to pay 20% of the bill, and if they want to... they are paying for a supplemental insurance, or paying if they have any thing medical done that is not covered, or elective surgeries.... or if they are not US Citizens, or if they want to see a specialist type thing....

but, I suppose, in a way, you are right... Insurance seems to dictate our experience with medical care, and the govt run Insurance, would too.

 

[Syriusly]

it includes what Canadian tax payers pay for their healthcare, which was on average $12k a year per family unit according to the Title of this thread. I am presuming that is the total cost of what these families spend on it, and the total avg cost their government spends on it, per household....but that I am not certain....

And the extra links show what we in the USA spend on Health Care, per person, which on average is $10k per person, a year....

We pay around $7200 a year through Blue Cross and it's top notch healthcare.
I've had cancer surgery,hip replacement,back surgery and some major oral surgery over the last four years and it didnt cost a dime out of pocket other than insurance payments.

That is some amazing health insurance. No co-pays. No minimums, no maximums.
For $7200 a year?

You do realize that almost no Americans other than Congressman have health insurance that good- right?

You obviously havent read the whole thread.
Get back with me when you do.

I have read it all- you have Blue Cross through your wife's employer- and you pay $7200 a year- and have no idea how much your wife's employer pays- it is likely to be more than you are paying. And you didn't pay a dime of out of pocket expenses for cancer surgery, hip replacement, back surgery or oral surgery.

I frankly don't know of anyone who has such gold plated fantastic health insurance- and I applaud the luck or fortune of your wife to be employed by such a fantastically generous employer.

Enjoy it and don't ever let your wife leave that job.

By any chance is she employed by a medical group or hospital?

(and that is another problem with our current health insurance).

As I said.
The only out of pocket was premiums and from our medical savings account.
Which we barely dented and can carry on into the following years or cash in.
Zero unexpected costs and no worries.
Nothing will change when the wife retires other than the health savings account which we've saved for over twenties years.
Which should be more than enough to get us through our golden years as far as outside costs go.

Okay- so you did have out of pocket expenses- but they were covered by your medical savings plan- which was subsidized by your company by 50%- which again is an amazingly fantastic and generous corporate plan.

And if you get to keep that health insurance at the same cost when she retires.....again amazingly generous program that very few Americans have.

Hell its almost as good what the Canadians have.....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

We pay around $7200 a year through Blue Cross and it's top notch healthcare.
I've had cancer surgery,hip replacement,back surgery and some major oral surgery over the last four years and it didnt cost a dime out of pocket other than insurance payments.

That is some amazing health insurance. No co-pays. No minimums, no maximums.
For $7200 a year?

You do realize that almost no Americans other than Congressman have health insurance that good- right?

You obviously havent read the whole thread.
Get back with me when you do.

I have read it all- you have Blue Cross through your wife's employer- and you pay $7200 a year- and have no idea how much your wife's employer pays- it is likely to be more than you are paying. And you didn't pay a dime of out of pocket expenses for cancer surgery, hip replacement, back surgery or oral surgery.

I frankly don't know of anyone who has such gold plated fantastic health insurance- and I applaud the luck or fortune of your wife to be employed by such a fantastically generous employer.

Enjoy it and don't ever let your wife leave that job.

By any chance is she employed by a medical group or hospital?

(and that is another problem with our current health insurance).

As I said.
The only out of pocket was premiums and from our medical savings account.
Which we barely dented and can carry on into the following years or cash in.
Zero unexpected costs and no worries.
Nothing will change when the wife retires other than the health savings account which we've saved for over twenties years.
Which should be more than enough to get us through our golden years as far as outside costs go.

Okay- so you did have out of pocket expenses- but they were covered by your medical savings plan- which was subsidized by your company by 50%- which again is an amazingly fantastic and generous corporate plan.

And if you get to keep that health insurance at the same cost when she retires.....again amazingly generous program that very few Americans have.

Hell its almost as good what the Canadians have.....

It's actually far better than Canadians get.
I never wait for a CT scan or any other procedure,it's based on when I can get there for the most part.
And I always get a private room.

Am I privileged in some way? I dont think so,we worked to get these benefits.

I've had full medical and dental through all the years I've worked.
The only thing I've had to pay out of pocket was for my dental implants at around 38k. Which of course we were able to pay because we worked hard.

 

[Syriusly]

That is some amazing health insurance. No co-pays. No minimums, no maximums.
For $7200 a year?

You do realize that almost no Americans other than Congressman have health insurance that good- right?

You obviously havent read the whole thread.
Get back with me when you do.

I have read it all- you have Blue Cross through your wife's employer- and you pay $7200 a year- and have no idea how much your wife's employer pays- it is likely to be more than you are paying. And you didn't pay a dime of out of pocket expenses for cancer surgery, hip replacement, back surgery or oral surgery.

I frankly don't know of anyone who has such gold plated fantastic health insurance- and I applaud the luck or fortune of your wife to be employed by such a fantastically generous employer.

Enjoy it and don't ever let your wife leave that job.

By any chance is she employed by a medical group or hospital?

(and that is another problem with our current health insurance).

As I said.
The only out of pocket was premiums and from our medical savings account.
Which we barely dented and can carry on into the following years or cash in.
Zero unexpected costs and no worries.
Nothing will change when the wife retires other than the health savings account which we've saved for over twenties years.
Which should be more than enough to get us through our golden years as far as outside costs go.

Okay- so you did have out of pocket expenses- but they were covered by your medical savings plan- which was subsidized by your company by 50%- which again is an amazingly fantastic and generous corporate plan.

And if you get to keep that health insurance at the same cost when she retires.....again amazingly generous program that very few Americans have.

Hell its almost as good what the Canadians have.....

It's actually far better than Canadians get.
I never wait for a CT scan or any other procedure,it's based on when I can get there for the most part.
And I always get a private room.

Am I privileged in some way? I dont think so,we worked to get these benefits.

I've had full medical and dental through all the years I've worked.
The only thing I've had to pay out of pocket was for my dental implants at around 38k. Which of course we were able to pay because we worked hard.

Hey I applaud you for working hard.

And for having a wife working for a company with a gold standard insurance program.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

You obviously havent read the whole thread.
Get back with me when you do.

I have read it all- you have Blue Cross through your wife's employer- and you pay $7200 a year- and have no idea how much your wife's employer pays- it is likely to be more than you are paying. And you didn't pay a dime of out of pocket expenses for cancer surgery, hip replacement, back surgery or oral surgery.

I frankly don't know of anyone who has such gold plated fantastic health insurance- and I applaud the luck or fortune of your wife to be employed by such a fantastically generous employer.

Enjoy it and don't ever let your wife leave that job.

By any chance is she employed by a medical group or hospital?

(and that is another problem with our current health insurance).

As I said.
The only out of pocket was premiums and from our medical savings account.
Which we barely dented and can carry on into the following years or cash in.
Zero unexpected costs and no worries.
Nothing will change when the wife retires other than the health savings account which we've saved for over twenties years.
Which should be more than enough to get us through our golden years as far as outside costs go.

Okay- so you did have out of pocket expenses- but they were covered by your medical savings plan- which was subsidized by your company by 50%- which again is an amazingly fantastic and generous corporate plan.

And if you get to keep that health insurance at the same cost when she retires.....again amazingly generous program that very few Americans have.

Hell its almost as good what the Canadians have.....

It's actually far better than Canadians get.
I never wait for a CT scan or any other procedure,it's based on when I can get there for the most part.
And I always get a private room.

Am I privileged in some way? I dont think so,we worked to get these benefits.

I've had full medical and dental through all the years I've worked.
The only thing I've had to pay out of pocket was for my dental implants at around 38k. Which of course we were able to pay because we worked hard.

Hey I applaud you for working hard.

And for having a wife working for a company with a gold standard insurance program.

Meh...had BCBS when I worked for a NASA contractor and while I made med equipment like artificial hearts and insulin pumps.

 

[francoHFW]

I pay more than 12K a year in health insurance for my family. And I am lucky enough to work for a company that has a health insurance program.

Yes. The "free" thing is just marketing. We'll still pay. It just a question of who's running the show. First, they convinced us that it had to be our employers, and now they're trying to convince us it must be the government.

The problem in the United States is the ridiculous costs after no regulation 4 years. ACA gave us a framework to add regulation which by the way is a good thing compared with none..

 

[Political Junky]

Here's one big reason Americam health care is so expensive.

The sky-high pay of health care CEOs

That was an average of about $28.5 million per CEO and a median of about $17.3 million per CEO. The median household income in 2015 was $56,515, which the average health care CEO made in less than a day. Pharmaceutical and drug-related company CEOs made up 11 of the top 20 highest earners.Jul 24, 2017

 

[Syriusly]

There are many very real problems with the rising costs of healthcare in the United States.

The ACA failed to stop the rising cost- even as it helped more Americans have at least some insurance to pay for those costs.

Trump promised to lower drug costs by allowing the government to negotiate on the price of drugs- but has run away from that promise.

Frankly no one in the government right now is working to rein in medical costs.