Attempts to Roll Back Marriage Equality since the Trump Election.

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Tinfoil hat time for the OP. But that is fine if that is what melts his butter. Obviously, OP is a nut, but we should respect him nonetheless. The bizarre thing is that instead of focusing on typical conspiracy stuff (UFOs, Bigfoot, Masons, federal reserve, etc...), OP focuses on gay marriage, which only affects gays, who only make up something like 2-3% of the population. Very weird. .

So you think that I'm a nut?? What is nuts is thinking that gay marriage - and I assume all forms of discrimination against gays- is in your mind only the concern of gays. Is discrimination against racial, ethnic, or religious groups only the concern of those groups? I don't think so. It speaks to the soul and character of the nation. What sort of country and world do you want to live in? Should we really only be concerned about what effects us directly ?

Personally, I don't care if a homo can marry and receive benefits, or not. Marriage is not the gross stuff. The gross stuff is all the gay sodomy. And that will occur regardless. In fact, if their marriages are like heterosexual marriages, then gay marriage will probably reduce the instances of gay sodomy. It does not matter how hot your spouse is because in 5-6 years you are going to be bored and jacking it to hot chicks on The Weather Channel. .

Why bring up sodomy in a discussion about same sex marriage.? Heterosexuals do it too. They do all sorts of things. You seem to take a dim view of marriage and longevity of relationships but that too is irrelevant

I put this gay marriage thing way down on the list of priorities, below national security, economic prosperity, and immigration. We probably should not bother with it until we fix our roads and build the border wall. The gays will be fine. Fact is, we are doing them a favor if we stop letting them get married.

Doing them a favor?? Sounds again like you have some issues. Yes there are other priorities but concern for LGBT rights and advancing those rights does not preclude pursuing other goals. In fact same sex marriage has been good for the economy. It's the jackass republicans who -as I have demonstrated- that spend time trying to thwart gay right and therefore detract from the pursuit of those other goals.

Hey, I am basically agreeing with you. Don't get your panties all in a bunch. First, YOU are not the final arbiter of what is the acceptable "soul and character" of our nation. In fact, you are being unreasonably presumptuous. Not everybody has your sensibilities, and those who do not are not wrong or bad people.

Second, I am utterly perplexed as to why you think that gay sodomy has nothing to do with gay rights. Are you serious? That is pure lunacy. You may want it to, but it does. Duh.

Finally, you assert that gay marriage is good for our economy but fail to support that with any facts. I guess you simply thought that it sounded good.

So, yeah, you qualify as a nut... a big, old fat tin foil hat wearing nut.

You agreeing with me?? You started out by calling me crazy and you just did it again. What exactly do we agree on.

I didn't say that I was "the final arbiter of what is the acceptable" Or anything of the kind. What I am saying is that most people who are part of human society agree on certain thing such as how we treat other people.

In addition, I never said that "gay sodomy" has nothing to do with gay rights. You might want to look up Lawrence V. Texas. I am saying that how people have sex has nothing to do with the issue of marriage. With me so far??

Regarding economics.....I did your homework for you. Unlike many here, I never say anything that I can't back up:

8 Ways Legalizing Same Sex Marriage Is Good For The Economy | The Huffington Post

The Economic Benefits of Gay Marriage

Same-Sex Marriage Economic Benefits for the U.S. · Guardian Liberty Voice

Well, it is clear that you are a hopeless fool. Perhaps you need to reflect on your prior statement more closely instead of going off half cocker on an emotional fueled tirade, you nut!

You know, I tried to be civil and reasonable with you even after your first idiotic post to me where you called be crazy right of the bat. Now you're posting more moronic clap trap that makes no sense and continuing to insult me for no reason.

It's clear that you are an idiotic troll who is just here to pick a fight and who has no interest in have anything resembling a meaningful, adult discussion. Indeed, I have to wonder if your able to. So this is what you can do GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FACE AND OFF MY THREAD!

 

[Markle]

Americans do have protections from government intrusion into our sex lives, and we also have a right to marriage.

Despite your ardent wishes that the government should regulate our sex lives, and ban marriages between consenting adults.

And, kids have a right to have marriage..

No- actually kids don't have a right to marriage- which is why your kids ended up with divorced parents.

Americans have a right to marriage. Children hopefully will have parents who care about them- and yes- hopefully their parents will be allowed to marry.

You want to harm the children of gay parents by preventing their parents from marrying.

Curious how homosexual parents HAVE children.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

While Trump himself has been pretty quiet on the subject of same sex marriage and LGBT rights in general, we know that he has surrounded himself with some of the most opprobrious bigots - both religious and those that are just far right-or alt right -ideologues and hate mongers.

There was the recent report - a resulted from a leak from the White House- that an executive order was being drafted to overturn Obamas EO prohibiting discrimination against Federal LGBT employees and contractors. If put in front of Trump, the lazy and incurious plutocrat might have mindlessly signed it. Fortunately, Jerod and Ivanka Kushner- two of the few rational and decent people on his inner circle interceded and it was quashed.

Nevertheless, the knowledge of the anti gay forces lurking in the White House, have , apparently ,emboldened ideological bigots and religious zealots across the country to take new aim at marriage equality.

There are at least three attempts in progress to do so. All have been launched since the election, and I can't help but to believe that they have been inspired and encouraged by the reactionary forces that have gained power and influence recently. No doubt that the prospect of tipping the balance of the Supreme Court is also a factor. Consider:

Tennessee Bill Would Undo Marriage Equality
A bill making its way through the Tennessee state legislature aims to roll back marriage equality in the Volunteer State. But LGBT advocates say the legislation is an unconstitutional attempt to overrule the U.S. Supreme Court.
Tennessee Republican Rep. Mark Pody, who claims God has called him to stop same-sex marriages, introduced House Bill 1412, the Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act, last September. At the same time, Sen. Mae Beavers, also a Republican, introduced companion legislation in the Senate.

This is really stupid and unconstitutional is light of the Obergefell ruling. What are these people thinking and do they not have anything better to do? Are there not some actual problems to address that they will spent time, money and energy on this??

As written, the bill seeks to declare it "the policy of Tennessee to defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." It requires state officials, including the attorney general, to "defend any state or local government official from any lawsuit" arising from an official's refusal to marry a same-sex couple. The bill also seeks to prevent state and local agencies from implementing any punishment for those violating the Supreme Court's June 2015 ruling that mandated legal marriage equality nationwide.

They cannot possibly get away with this unless they can get Obergefell and Windsor overturned, and that is not happening. Similarly, the City of Houston is trying to undermine the right of same sex partners of city employees to recieve spousal benefits, also in violation of Obergefell:

Amid GOP Pressure, Texas High Court to Hear Challenge to Spousal Benefits

The Texas Supreme Court Friday agreed to hear a case challenging some of the rights gained with marriage equality.
The case involves whether the city of Houston is obligated to provide benefits to same-sex spouses of city employees, The Dallas Morning News reports. In September the high court had declined to hear the case, but justices reversed that decision amid pressure from top Republican state officials, including Gov. Greg Abbott, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, and Attorney General Ken Paxton.

Then we have this out of Arkansas.

Seriously, Arkansas? Even Trump Knows Same-Sex Marriage Is Done Deal
Guys, you aren’t actually going to even believe this. There are still people trying to get rid of same-sex marriage. If you’re all, “didn’t we already fight about this a long time ago?” you’d be right. Except that news apparently hasn’t hit Arkansas just yet. One of its esteemed legislators just filed a Senate Joint Resolution requesting the United States Congress to start working on a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as the “union of one man and one woman.” How positively late-90s of him.

Yes, it is unlikely to go anywhere, and even congressional Republicans know that it is unpopular and a colossal waste of time. However, the point is, as I have said, that there has been a flurry of this type of activity since the election. Does anyone deny the obvious connection given that fact that no such attempts to roll back marriage equality in the 18 months or so since the Obergefell ruling were introduced until now.??

Hillary Clinton was staunchly against gay marriage in her past.....does that mean if Trump appointed her she would be counted among your alt-right hatist?

Idiot.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

While Trump himself has been pretty quiet on the subject of same sex marriage and LGBT rights in general, we know that he has surrounded himself with some of the most opprobrious bigots - both religious and those that are just far right-or alt right -ideologues and hate mongers.

There was the recent report - a resulted from a leak from the White House- that an executive order was being drafted to overturn Obamas EO prohibiting discrimination against Federal LGBT employees and contractors. If put in front of Trump, the lazy and incurious plutocrat might have mindlessly signed it. Fortunately, Jerod and Ivanka Kushner- two of the few rational and decent people on his inner circle interceded and it was quashed.

Nevertheless, the knowledge of the anti gay forces lurking in the White House, have , apparently ,emboldened ideological bigots and religious zealots across the country to take new aim at marriage equality.

There are at least three attempts in progress to do so. All have been launched since the election, and I can't help but to believe that they have been inspired and encouraged by the reactionary forces that have gained power and influence recently. No doubt that the prospect of tipping the balance of the Supreme Court is also a factor. Consider:

Tennessee Bill Would Undo Marriage Equality
A bill making its way through the Tennessee state legislature aims to roll back marriage equality in the Volunteer State. But LGBT advocates say the legislation is an unconstitutional attempt to overrule the U.S. Supreme Court.
Tennessee Republican Rep. Mark Pody, who claims God has called him to stop same-sex marriages, introduced House Bill 1412, the Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act, last September. At the same time, Sen. Mae Beavers, also a Republican, introduced companion legislation in the Senate.

This is really stupid and unconstitutional is light of the Obergefell ruling. What are these people thinking and do they not have anything better to do? Are there not some actual problems to address that they will spent time, money and energy on this??

As written, the bill seeks to declare it "the policy of Tennessee to defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." It requires state officials, including the attorney general, to "defend any state or local government official from any lawsuit" arising from an official's refusal to marry a same-sex couple. The bill also seeks to prevent state and local agencies from implementing any punishment for those violating the Supreme Court's June 2015 ruling that mandated legal marriage equality nationwide.

They cannot possibly get away with this unless they can get Obergefell and Windsor overturned, and that is not happening. Similarly, the City of Houston is trying to undermine the right of same sex partners of city employees to recieve spousal benefits, also in violation of Obergefell:

Amid GOP Pressure, Texas High Court to Hear Challenge to Spousal Benefits

The Texas Supreme Court Friday agreed to hear a case challenging some of the rights gained with marriage equality.
The case involves whether the city of Houston is obligated to provide benefits to same-sex spouses of city employees, The Dallas Morning News reports. In September the high court had declined to hear the case, but justices reversed that decision amid pressure from top Republican state officials, including Gov. Greg Abbott, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, and Attorney General Ken Paxton.

Then we have this out of Arkansas.

Seriously, Arkansas? Even Trump Knows Same-Sex Marriage Is Done Deal
Guys, you aren’t actually going to even believe this. There are still people trying to get rid of same-sex marriage. If you’re all, “didn’t we already fight about this a long time ago?” you’d be right. Except that news apparently hasn’t hit Arkansas just yet. One of its esteemed legislators just filed a Senate Joint Resolution requesting the United States Congress to start working on a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as the “union of one man and one woman.” How positively late-90s of him.

Yes, it is unlikely to go anywhere, and even congressional Republicans know that it is unpopular and a colossal waste of time. However, the point is, as I have said, that there has been a flurry of this type of activity since the election. Does anyone deny the obvious connection given that fact that no such attempts to roll back marriage equality in the 18 months or so since the Obergefell ruling were introduced until now.??

Your ignorance and hatred of PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP are duly noted.

Typical of far left Progressives, your typical mode is FIRE, READY, AIM.

This is how much of a racist and bigot really is instead of you wishful thinking.

When Donald Trump bought Mar-a-Lago, he was forced to sue the city:

Discrimination[edit]
In December 1997, Trump filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida, alleging that the town was discriminating against Mar-a-Lago, in part because it was open to Jews and blacks.
Mar-a-Lago - Wikipedia

The suit also forced the city to allow gays and anyone else to join his exclusive club.

I am a resident of Florida and a Realtor for over 40 years. I also taught Fair Housing and business planning for the Florida Association of Realtor and Diversity for the National Association of Realtors. I am also very close to a number of Realtors in West Palm Beach as well as their Association management and leadership.

WPB is a different world. From the day it was discovered as such a paradise, it was developed SOLELY for the use of the ultra rich. Not the rich, but the ultra and mega rich. I tried many times to present my own Fair Housing seminar to their association. Many times I socialized with the CEO of their Realtor Association. She told me that she'd love to have me, my programs always received rave reviews, but no one would come. They just live in their own world.

For Donald Trump to go in and fight the communities prejudices, long before he ever ran for anything, was a man doing the right thing, NO MATTER WHAT. He also sued the city to allow him to fly as large a flag as he wanted. He then negotiated with the city to move the flag pole and lower it by 10 feet. For that he was allowed to have members who DID NOT LIVE IN PALM BEACH.

Look, this guy changes like the weather and will do and say whatever is expedient to further his business and political interests. I made my case and you would know that I you have actually read the documentation that I posted

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Americans do have protections from government intrusion into our sex lives, and we also have a right to marriage.

Despite your ardent wishes that the government should regulate our sex lives, and ban marriages between consenting adults.

And, kids have a right to have marriage..

No- actually kids don't have a right to marriage- which is why your kids ended up with divorced parents.

Americans have a right to marriage. Children hopefully will have parents who care about them- and yes- hopefully their parents will be allowed to marry.

You want to harm the children of gay parents by preventing their parents from marrying.

Curious how homosexual parents HAVE children.

What's curious about it?? They are not sterile, Sparky.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

While Trump himself has been pretty quiet on the subject of same sex marriage and LGBT rights in general, we know that he has surrounded himself with some of the most opprobrious bigots - both religious and those that are just far right-or alt right -ideologues and hate mongers.

There was the recent report - a resulted from a leak from the White House- that an executive order was being drafted to overturn Obamas EO prohibiting discrimination against Federal LGBT employees and contractors. If put in front of Trump, the lazy and incurious plutocrat might have mindlessly signed it. Fortunately, Jerod and Ivanka Kushner- two of the few rational and decent people on his inner circle interceded and it was quashed.

Nevertheless, the knowledge of the anti gay forces lurking in the White House, have , apparently ,emboldened ideological bigots and religious zealots across the country to take new aim at marriage equality.

There are at least three attempts in progress to do so. All have been launched since the election, and I can't help but to believe that they have been inspired and encouraged by the reactionary forces that have gained power and influence recently. No doubt that the prospect of tipping the balance of the Supreme Court is also a factor. Consider:

Tennessee Bill Would Undo Marriage Equality
A bill making its way through the Tennessee state legislature aims to roll back marriage equality in the Volunteer State. But LGBT advocates say the legislation is an unconstitutional attempt to overrule the U.S. Supreme Court.
Tennessee Republican Rep. Mark Pody, who claims God has called him to stop same-sex marriages, introduced House Bill 1412, the Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act, last September. At the same time, Sen. Mae Beavers, also a Republican, introduced companion legislation in the Senate.

This is really stupid and unconstitutional is light of the Obergefell ruling. What are these people thinking and do they not have anything better to do? Are there not some actual problems to address that they will spent time, money and energy on this??

As written, the bill seeks to declare it "the policy of Tennessee to defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." It requires state officials, including the attorney general, to "defend any state or local government official from any lawsuit" arising from an official's refusal to marry a same-sex couple. The bill also seeks to prevent state and local agencies from implementing any punishment for those violating the Supreme Court's June 2015 ruling that mandated legal marriage equality nationwide.

They cannot possibly get away with this unless they can get Obergefell and Windsor overturned, and that is not happening. Similarly, the City of Houston is trying to undermine the right of same sex partners of city employees to recieve spousal benefits, also in violation of Obergefell:

Amid GOP Pressure, Texas High Court to Hear Challenge to Spousal Benefits

The Texas Supreme Court Friday agreed to hear a case challenging some of the rights gained with marriage equality.
The case involves whether the city of Houston is obligated to provide benefits to same-sex spouses of city employees, The Dallas Morning News reports. In September the high court had declined to hear the case, but justices reversed that decision amid pressure from top Republican state officials, including Gov. Greg Abbott, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, and Attorney General Ken Paxton.

Then we have this out of Arkansas.

Seriously, Arkansas? Even Trump Knows Same-Sex Marriage Is Done Deal
Guys, you aren’t actually going to even believe this. There are still people trying to get rid of same-sex marriage. If you’re all, “didn’t we already fight about this a long time ago?” you’d be right. Except that news apparently hasn’t hit Arkansas just yet. One of its esteemed legislators just filed a Senate Joint Resolution requesting the United States Congress to start working on a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as the “union of one man and one woman.” How positively late-90s of him.

Yes, it is unlikely to go anywhere, and even congressional Republicans know that it is unpopular and a colossal waste of time. However, the point is, as I have said, that there has been a flurry of this type of activity since the election. Does anyone deny the obvious connection given that fact that no such attempts to roll back marriage equality in the 18 months or so since the Obergefell ruling were introduced until now.??

Hillary Clinton was staunchly against gay marriage in her past.....does that mean if Trump appointed her she would be counted among your alt-right hatist?

Idiot.

I don't believe that either Clinton or Obama was ever staunchly against gay marriage. They are politicians and ten, twelve years ago it would have been political suicide to publicly support marriage equality. However, they didn't shamelessly hobnob with these homophobes and bigots like Trump does. Obama did not stack the White House with religious zealots.

 

[Markle]

Trump and the myth that he is gay friendly and accepting of them

It has come to my attention that there is a segment of the LGBT demographic who like many others have been duped into voting for the Orange Ogre known as Trump. There is in fact a Facebook group “ LGBTs for Trump. Perhaps it was due to his assertion that he would protect gays from Islamic extremists. Maybe some were swayed when he said that he would happily allow Catlin Jenner to use the women’s room at Trump Tower. Oh yes, and he attended a same sex wedding also. Then there was the time that he assured a Lesbian journalist that there would be further advances for LGBT folks under his watch, all the while ignoring that fact that he is a pathological liar who tailors his message to whoever he is in front of with little thought.

It also seems that some of these folks placed the promise of economic growth, lower taxes, and national security above their own self interests. In any case I do believe that these people and others -and many others will soon have a serious case of buyer’s remorse when they discover that he will not deliver on his foreign and domestic policy promises AND that their hard-won rights will be eroded.

Donald Trump Is Proving How Mortally Dangerous He Is To LGBT Equality
Donald Trump Is Proving How Mortally Dangerous He Is To LGBT Equality | The Huffington Post

Contrary to those in the media and elsewhere who claimed he was “far more accepting” on LGBT issues than other GOP candidates, Donald Trump is proving that he very much will be a force against LGBT equality if elected president. And he’s doing it in a more insidious, under-the-radar way than any previous GOP presidential nominee.

Selected Excerpts:

Though he rarely raises his positions against LGBT rights on the campaign trail, Trump is making pacts with anti-LGBT forces. Today, Trump spoke at the Road to the Majority summit in Washington, an event attended by Christian right activists and sponsored by the Faith and Freedom Coalition and Concerned Women for America, both of which fight against LGBT rights. “I’m with you 100 percent,” he said, and, knowing the event was televised live on the cable networks, he spoke with the dog whistle on LGBT rights, alluding to attacks on “marriage and family” and championing “religious liberty,” which of course has been the term used by evangelicals to deny LGBT people of rights. The crowd roared with approval

.

And on June 21 Trump will have a private meeting with over 400 of the most bigoted, most homophobic and most influential anti-LGBT advocates in the United States — from Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins to James Dobson, founder of the Focus on the Family — the bedrock of the religious right, which has been a prominent part of the base of the Republican Party for decades. Many of these groups, like Family Research Council, have been labeled as hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Trump had already quietly made pacts with some anti-LGBT forces, and promised to do what he can to overturn the Supreme Court’s historic Obergefell ruling, which he called, “shocking.” He promised he’d appoint justices to the Supreme Court who might do that, and certainly the list of extreme judges he provided recently shouldn’t give LGBT people any comfort.

And how did he sucker these people into supporting him?

But Trump will also likely accept an endorsement from the Log Cabin Republicans (LCR), the gay GOP group that’s been desperate to be validated by the GOP for years and is aching for a meeting with Trump — publicly calling for one — so they can get behind him. Already LCR leader Gregory T. Angelo has called Trump “one of the best, if not the best, pro-gay Republican candidates to ever run for the presidency.”

This guy is delusional!

As I pointed out a few weeks ago, simply having Ben Carson prominent in his campaign — a man who compared homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia — is an affront to LGBT people. And as RightWingWatch’s Brian Tashman noted, Trump has also “partnered with Harlem’s notorious ‘stone homos‘ pastor James David Manning and far-right radio show host Alex Jones, who thinks the LGBT rights movement is a ‘suicide cult’ bent on the destruction of humanity.”

Republican leaders, know he cannot win without motivating a large portion of evangelicals. And right now anti-LGBT laws and measures meant to blunt equality are animating religious conservatives in a big way, as a furious backlash to marriage equality plays out across the country. No matter what Trump has said in the past, or what the media or desperate gay Republicans may say now, there’s no question that Trump must bow to an anti-LGBT agenda if he wants to win the presidency. That makes him a mortal danger to LGBT equality.

So now that he is the president.....does anyone think that he will fully turn his back on these people. I have my doubts.

>>WHAT'S FALSE: Donald Trump did not say he planned to specifically and/or personally overturn the decision legalizing same-sex marriage.<<

Trump simple believes it should have been up to the states to decide, but it is done, it is now law.

I don't trust anyone who wants to leave marriage or any other civil rights issue to they state because we all know that too many states would not do the right thing.

In your opinion, the right thing.

 

[Syriusly]

Americans do have protections from government intrusion into our sex lives, and we also have a right to marriage.

Despite your ardent wishes that the government should regulate our sex lives, and ban marriages between consenting adults.

And, kids have a right to have marriage..

No- actually kids don't have a right to marriage- which is why your kids ended up with divorced parents.

Americans have a right to marriage. Children hopefully will have parents who care about them- and yes- hopefully their parents will be allowed to marry.

You want to harm the children of gay parents by preventing their parents from marrying.

Curious how homosexual parents HAVE children.

Are you curious how Bob Hope had children? Bob and Dolores adopted.

 

[Syriusly]

Even if the state is compelled to recognize a same sex marriage individuals are not bound by such compulsions. An individual is still free to refuse to recognize such marriage and refuse to attend such ceremony. That is just as deserving of protection.

And every individual is absolutely free to do so.

But a business still has to follow business law.

That's why those laws need to be changed and the freedom of autonomy returned.

You are welcome to try to change those laws.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Americans do have protections from government intrusion into our sex lives, and we also have a right to marriage.

Despite your ardent wishes that the government should regulate our sex lives, and ban marriages between consenting adults.

And, kids have a right to have marriage..

No- actually kids don't have a right to marriage- which is why your kids ended up with divorced parents.

Americans have a right to marriage. Children hopefully will have parents who care about them- and yes- hopefully their parents will be allowed to marry.

You want to harm the children of gay parents by preventing their parents from marrying.

Curious how homosexual parents HAVE children.

They don't. They have taken them from someone else.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Even if the state is compelled to recognize a same sex marriage individuals are not bound by such compulsions. An individual is still free to refuse to recognize such marriage and refuse to attend such ceremony. That is just as deserving of protection.

And every individual is absolutely free to do so.

But a business still has to follow business law.

That's why those laws need to be changed and the freedom of autonomy returned.

You are welcome to try to change those laws.

That is exactly what is happening.

 

[Markle]

Yes, it is unlikely to go anywhere, and even congressional Republicans know that it is unpopular and a colossal waste of time. However, the point is, as I have said, that there has been a flurry of this type of activity since the election. Does anyone deny the obvious connection given that fact that no such attempts to roll back marriage equality in the 18 months or so since the Obergefell ruling were introduced until now.??

Hillary Clinton was staunchly against gay marriage in her past.....does that mean if Trump appointed her she would be counted among your alt-right hatist?

Idiot.

I don't believe that either Clinton or Obama was ever staunchly against gay marriage. They are politicians and ten, twelve years ago it would have been political suicide to publicly support marriage equality. However, they didn't shamelessly hobnob with these homophobes and bigots like Trump does. Obama did not stack the White House with religious zealots.[/QUOTE]

Both Bill and Hillary Clinton along with petulant former President Obama were staunchly opposed to gay marriage. I fully realize that as a far left Progressive, you are preprogrammed to ignore FACTS and the TRUTH.

 

[Syriusly]

[Q

For Donald Trump to go in and fight the communities prejudices, long before he ever ran for anything, was a man doing the right thing, NO MATTER WHAT. He also sued the city to allow him to fly as large a flag as he wanted. He then negotiated with the city to move the flag pole and lower it by 10 feet. For that he was allowed to have members who DID NOT LIVE IN PALM BEACH.

Look- I don't really believe that Trump is anti-gay- it just isn't his issue.

But if you want to portray him as some hero fighting for the rights of minorities, I will point out that he was personally sued by the Federal government for refusing to rent to blacks and Puerto Ricans, and ultimately settled the lawsuit agreeing to rent to blacks and Puerto Ricans.

 

[Syriusly]

Even if the state is compelled to recognize a same sex marriage individuals are not bound by such compulsions. An individual is still free to refuse to recognize such marriage and refuse to attend such ceremony. That is just as deserving of protection.

And every individual is absolutely free to do so.

But a business still has to follow business law.

That's why those laws need to be changed and the freedom of autonomy returned.

You are welcome to try to change those laws.

That is exactly what is happening.

Well let me know how that goes. Which state laws are you working to change first?

 

[Markle]

You agreeing with me?? You started out by calling me crazy and you just did it again. What exactly do we agree on.

I didn't say that I was "the final arbiter of what is the acceptable" Or anything of the kind. What I am saying is that most people who are part of human society agree on certain thing such as how we treat other people.

In addition, I never said that "gay sodomy" has nothing to do with gay rights. You might want to look up Lawrence V. Texas. I am saying that how people have sex has nothing to do with the issue of marriage. With me so far??

Regarding economics.....I did your homework for you. Unlike many here, I never say anything that I can't back up:

8 Ways Legalizing Same Sex Marriage Is Good For The Economy | The Huffington Post

The Economic Benefits of Gay Marriage

Same-Sex Marriage Economic Benefits for the U.S. · Guardian Liberty Voice

Far left Progressive sources to support your weak opinion.

ProgressivePatriot...an oxymoron at best.

 

[Rob37]

Tinfoil hat time for the OP. But that is fine if that is what melts his butter. Obviously, OP is a nut, but we should respect him nonetheless. The bizarre thing is that instead of focusing on typical conspiracy stuff (UFOs, Bigfoot, Masons, federal reserve, etc...), OP focuses on gay marriage, which only affects gays, who only make up something like 2-3% of the population. Very weird. .

So you think that I'm a nut?? What is nuts is thinking that gay marriage - and I assume all forms of discrimination against gays- is in your mind only the concern of gays. Is discrimination against racial, ethnic, or religious groups only the concern of those groups? I don't think so. It speaks to the soul and character of the nation. What sort of country and world do you want to live in? Should we really only be concerned about what effects us directly ?

Personally, I don't care if a homo can marry and receive benefits, or not. Marriage is not the gross stuff. The gross stuff is all the gay sodomy. And that will occur regardless. In fact, if their marriages are like heterosexual marriages, then gay marriage will probably reduce the instances of gay sodomy. It does not matter how hot your spouse is because in 5-6 years you are going to be bored and jacking it to hot chicks on The Weather Channel. .

Why bring up sodomy in a discussion about same sex marriage.? Heterosexuals do it too. They do all sorts of things. You seem to take a dim view of marriage and longevity of relationships but that too is irrelevant

I put this gay marriage thing way down on the list of priorities, below national security, economic prosperity, and immigration. We probably should not bother with it until we fix our roads and build the border wall. The gays will be fine. Fact is, we are doing them a favor if we stop letting them get married.

Doing them a favor?? Sounds again like you have some issues. Yes there are other priorities but concern for LGBT rights and advancing those rights does not preclude pursuing other goals. In fact same sex marriage has been good for the economy. It's the jackass republicans who -as I have demonstrated- that spend time trying to thwart gay right and therefore detract from the pursuit of those other goals.

Hey, I am basically agreeing with you. Don't get your panties all in a bunch. First, YOU are not the final arbiter of what is the acceptable "soul and character" of our nation. In fact, you are being unreasonably presumptuous. Not everybody has your sensibilities, and those who do not are not wrong or bad people.

Second, I am utterly perplexed as to why you think that gay sodomy has nothing to do with gay rights. Are you serious? That is pure lunacy. You may want it to, but it does. Duh.

Finally, you assert that gay marriage is good for our economy but fail to support that with any facts. I guess you simply thought that it sounded good.

So, yeah, you qualify as a nut... a big, old fat tin foil hat wearing nut.

You agreeing with me?? You started out by calling me crazy and you just did it again. What exactly do we agree on.

I didn't say that I was "the final arbiter of what is the acceptable" Or anything of the kind. What I am saying is that most people who are part of human society agree on certain thing such as how we treat other people.

In addition, I never said that "gay sodomy" has nothing to do with gay rights. You might want to look up Lawrence V. Texas. I am saying that how people have sex has nothing to do with the issue of marriage. With me so far??

Regarding economics.....I did your homework for you. Unlike many here, I never say anything that I can't back up:

8 Ways Legalizing Same Sex Marriage Is Good For The Economy | The Huffington Post

The Economic Benefits of Gay Marriage

Same-Sex Marriage Economic Benefits for the U.S. · Guardian Liberty Voice

Well, it is clear that you are a hopeless fool. Perhaps you need to reflect on your prior statement more closely instead of going off half cocker on an emotional fueled tirade, you nut!

You know, I tried to be civil and reasonable with you even after your first idiotic post to me where you called be crazy right of the bat. Now you're posting more moronic clap trap that makes no sense and continuing to insult me for no reason.

It's clear that you are an idiotic troll who is just here to pick a fight and who has no interest in have anything resembling a meaningful, adult discussion. Indeed, I have to wonder if your able to. So this is what you can do GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FACE AND OFF MY THREAD!

Hey, buddy, I made some valid points. Don't blame me because you are so thin-skinned that you cannot handle disagreement. Btw, what really makes you so nutty is your absolutist view that YOU know what the majority people want, that YOU only are capable of defining what is good and just in the world, and that anyone who disagrees with YOU is some kind of hate monger.

So I stand by my prior statement, fruitcake. You are a N-U-T. A full-fledged fascist PC nutcase.

 

[Rob37]

While Trump himself has been pretty quiet on the subject of same sex marriage and LGBT rights in general, we know that he has surrounded himself with some of the most opprobrious bigots - both religious and those that are just far right-or alt right -ideologues and hate mongers.

There was the recent report - a resulted from a leak from the White House- that an executive order was being drafted to overturn Obamas EO prohibiting discrimination against Federal LGBT employees and contractors. If put in front of Trump, the lazy and incurious plutocrat might have mindlessly signed it. Fortunately, Jerod and Ivanka Kushner- two of the few rational and decent people on his inner circle interceded and it was quashed.

Nevertheless, the knowledge of the anti gay forces lurking in the White House, have , apparently ,emboldened ideological bigots and religious zealots across the country to take new aim at marriage equality.

There are at least three attempts in progress to do so. All have been launched since the election, and I can't help but to believe that they have been inspired and encouraged by the reactionary forces that have gained power and influence recently. No doubt that the prospect of tipping the balance of the Supreme Court is also a factor. Consider:

Tennessee Bill Would Undo Marriage Equality
A bill making its way through the Tennessee state legislature aims to roll back marriage equality in the Volunteer State. But LGBT advocates say the legislation is an unconstitutional attempt to overrule the U.S. Supreme Court.
Tennessee Republican Rep. Mark Pody, who claims God has called him to stop same-sex marriages, introduced House Bill 1412, the Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act, last September. At the same time, Sen. Mae Beavers, also a Republican, introduced companion legislation in the Senate.

This is really stupid and unconstitutional is light of the Obergefell ruling. What are these people thinking and do they not have anything better to do? Are there not some actual problems to address that they will spent time, money and energy on this??

As written, the bill seeks to declare it "the policy of Tennessee to defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." It requires state officials, including the attorney general, to "defend any state or local government official from any lawsuit" arising from an official's refusal to marry a same-sex couple. The bill also seeks to prevent state and local agencies from implementing any punishment for those violating the Supreme Court's June 2015 ruling that mandated legal marriage equality nationwide.

They cannot possibly get away with this unless they can get Obergefell and Windsor overturned, and that is not happening. Similarly, the City of Houston is trying to undermine the right of same sex partners of city employees to recieve spousal benefits, also in violation of Obergefell:

Amid GOP Pressure, Texas High Court to Hear Challenge to Spousal Benefits

The Texas Supreme Court Friday agreed to hear a case challenging some of the rights gained with marriage equality.
The case involves whether the city of Houston is obligated to provide benefits to same-sex spouses of city employees, The Dallas Morning News reports. In September the high court had declined to hear the case, but justices reversed that decision amid pressure from top Republican state officials, including Gov. Greg Abbott, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, and Attorney General Ken Paxton.

Then we have this out of Arkansas.

Seriously, Arkansas? Even Trump Knows Same-Sex Marriage Is Done Deal
Guys, you aren’t actually going to even believe this. There are still people trying to get rid of same-sex marriage. If you’re all, “didn’t we already fight about this a long time ago?” you’d be right. Except that news apparently hasn’t hit Arkansas just yet. One of its esteemed legislators just filed a Senate Joint Resolution requesting the United States Congress to start working on a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as the “union of one man and one woman.” How positively late-90s of him.

Yes, it is unlikely to go anywhere, and even congressional Republicans know that it is unpopular and a colossal waste of time. However, the point is, as I have said, that there has been a flurry of this type of activity since the election. Does anyone deny the obvious connection given that fact that no such attempts to roll back marriage equality in the 18 months or so since the Obergefell ruling were introduced until now.??

Hillary Clinton was staunchly against gay marriage in her past.....does that mean if Trump appointed her she would be counted among your alt-right hatist?

Idiot.

I don't believe that either Clinton or Obama was ever staunchly against gay marriage. They are politicians and ten, twelve years ago it would have been political suicide to publicly support marriage equality. However, they didn't shamelessly hobnob with these homophobes and bigots like Trump does. Obama did not stack the White House with religious zealots.

I voted for Trump and I am offended that you are using hate speech directed at my president and at me.

Get it through YOUR thick head: You don't get to bully people by labeling them racist, bigots, or whatever other epithet your puny brain can conjure.

 

[Markle]

You know, I tried to be civil and reasonable with you even after your first idiotic post to me where you called be crazy right of the bat. Now you're posting more moronic clap trap that makes no sense and continuing to insult me for no reason.

It's clear that you are an idiotic troll who is just here to pick a fight and who has no interest in have anything resembling a meaningful, adult discussion. Indeed, I have to wonder if your able to. So this is what you can do GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY FACE AND OFF MY THREAD!

YOUR thread was proven false the minute you posted such a thing. Why you lied is only know to you. My guess is that you are filled with hate.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You are a fool to believe this nonsense. "Gay marriage" is here to stay - not because a majority of Americans want it - they don't - but because the workings of our court system make it impossible to turn back the clock. REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING ELSE, both the Federal Government and the states are required unambiguously by the Constitution to give "full faith and credit" to the legal acts of every other state. Therefore, as long as at least one state has "gay marriage" then the Feds and every other state are forced to recognize the institution, and it is pointless to fight it - you will ultimately, definitely lose.

As for discrimination against the [sexually fucked-up] community within the Federal government, it is, as a practical matter, not possible, and no Executive Order or memorandum can change that. And one might also point out that Our Exalted President has no animus whatsoever against the [sexually fucked-up] community, and has never shown any inclination to sign such a document.

Parenthetically and slightly to the contrary, the President and many people on his staff CLEARLY intend to nullify any regulations or executive orders that have the effect of compelling any private business to cater to the wishes of any potential customer whose public behavior is found morally repugnant - public behavior including, for example, getting married to someone of the same gender. And anyone feeling oppressed by this "seller's right" should be slapped and beaten about the head and shoulders until some sense returns to their empty, pathetic, sensitive little souls.

That would require States to recognize licenses issued by other States, but issuing them can still be fought over.

That would be a rather quixotic battle- if Georgia has to recognize Massachusetts marriages, then if Georgia residents would just go to Mass to get married.

Inconvenient for Georgian citizens but Georgia would still have to recognize gay marriages.

The essence of compromise is everyone being disappointed in the end result. Georgia has to recognize out of state marriages as always, but controls who it issues them to.

Georgian SSM opponents are butthurt they have to recognize out of state SSM's, Pro SSM georigans are butthurt that gay georgians would have to travel to get married.

And the constitution is respected overall.

The constitution is already respected.

Georgian couples can get married in Georgia.

Where does the federal constitution say marriage laws are covered by the feds?

Oh Christ!! Seriously?? Are you really asking that ? Have you read the majority opinion in Obergefell or any of the lower court ruling that smacked down state bans on same sex marriage? Do you understand the concepts of equal protection under the law, due process and federal supremacy? Apparently not. I think we have been through this before, leading me to conclude that you have a learning disability , or worse.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

While Trump himself has been pretty quiet on the subject of same sex marriage and LGBT rights in general, we know that he has surrounded himself with some of the most opprobrious bigots - both religious and those that are just far right-or alt right -ideologues and hate mongers.

There was the recent report - a resulted from a leak from the White House- that an executive order was being drafted to overturn Obamas EO prohibiting discrimination against Federal LGBT employees and contractors. If put in front of Trump, the lazy and incurious plutocrat might have mindlessly signed it. Fortunately, Jerod and Ivanka Kushner- two of the few rational and decent people on his inner circle interceded and it was quashed.

Nevertheless, the knowledge of the anti gay forces lurking in the White House, have , apparently ,emboldened ideological bigots and religious zealots across the country to take new aim at marriage equality.

There are at least three attempts in progress to do so. All have been launched since the election, and I can't help but to believe that they have been inspired and encouraged by the reactionary forces that have gained power and influence recently. No doubt that the prospect of tipping the balance of the Supreme Court is also a factor. Consider:

Tennessee Bill Would Undo Marriage Equality
A bill making its way through the Tennessee state legislature aims to roll back marriage equality in the Volunteer State. But LGBT advocates say the legislation is an unconstitutional attempt to overrule the U.S. Supreme Court.
Tennessee Republican Rep. Mark Pody, who claims God has called him to stop same-sex marriages, introduced House Bill 1412, the Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act, last September. At the same time, Sen. Mae Beavers, also a Republican, introduced companion legislation in the Senate.

This is really stupid and unconstitutional is light of the Obergefell ruling. What are these people thinking and do they not have anything better to do? Are there not some actual problems to address that they will spent time, money and energy on this??

As written, the bill seeks to declare it "the policy of Tennessee to defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." It requires state officials, including the attorney general, to "defend any state or local government official from any lawsuit" arising from an official's refusal to marry a same-sex couple. The bill also seeks to prevent state and local agencies from implementing any punishment for those violating the Supreme Court's June 2015 ruling that mandated legal marriage equality nationwide.

They cannot possibly get away with this unless they can get Obergefell and Windsor overturned, and that is not happening. Similarly, the City of Houston is trying to undermine the right of same sex partners of city employees to recieve spousal benefits, also in violation of Obergefell:

Amid GOP Pressure, Texas High Court to Hear Challenge to Spousal Benefits

The Texas Supreme Court Friday agreed to hear a case challenging some of the rights gained with marriage equality.
The case involves whether the city of Houston is obligated to provide benefits to same-sex spouses of city employees, The Dallas Morning News reports. In September the high court had declined to hear the case, but justices reversed that decision amid pressure from top Republican state officials, including Gov. Greg Abbott, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, and Attorney General Ken Paxton.

Then we have this out of Arkansas.

Seriously, Arkansas? Even Trump Knows Same-Sex Marriage Is Done Deal
Guys, you aren’t actually going to even believe this. There are still people trying to get rid of same-sex marriage. If you’re all, “didn’t we already fight about this a long time ago?” you’d be right. Except that news apparently hasn’t hit Arkansas just yet. One of its esteemed legislators just filed a Senate Joint Resolution requesting the United States Congress to start working on a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as the “union of one man and one woman.” How positively late-90s of him.

Yes, it is unlikely to go anywhere, and even congressional Republicans know that it is unpopular and a colossal waste of time. However, the point is, as I have said, that there has been a flurry of this type of activity since the election. Does anyone deny the obvious connection given that fact that no such attempts to roll back marriage equality in the 18 months or so since the Obergefell ruling were introduced until now.??

Hillary Clinton was staunchly against gay marriage in her past.....does that mean if Trump appointed her she would be counted among your alt-right hatist?

Idiot.

I don't believe that either Clinton or Obama was ever staunchly against gay marriage. They are politicians and ten, twelve years ago it would have been political suicide to publicly support marriage equality. However, they didn't shamelessly hobnob with these homophobes and bigots like Trump does. Obama did not stack the White House with religious zealots.

I voted for Trump and I am offended that you are using hate speech directed at my president and at me.

Get it through YOUR thick head: You don't get to bully people by labeling them racist, bigots, or whatever other epithet your puny brain can conjure.

I told you troll, get out of my face. Telling the truth is not hate speech.