Attack on Iran would backfire

[Dr Grump]

Nice to see that you finally admit that REAGAN won the cold war against the commies.

What you neglect in your pitiful analogy, however, is that the commies DIDN'T HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO DIE LIKE THESE ISLAMIC SHIT-FER-BRAINS.

Reagan beat up on the commies by accelerating the arms race and bankrupting them. We are already ten thousand times stronger than Iran and they DON'T FUCKING CARE.

The cold war was won fifty years before Raygun even came to power...

 

[Bullypulpit]

Nice to see that you finally admit that REAGAN won the cold war against the commies.

What you neglect in your pitiful analogy, however, is that the commies DIDN'T HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO DIE LIKE THESE ISLAMIC SHIT-FER-BRAINS.

Reagan beat up on the commies by accelerating the arms race and bankrupting them. We are already ten thousand times stronger than Iran and they DON'T FUCKING CARE.

What does that have to do with the fact that, currently, Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, nor will for at least 5 to 10 years?

As for Reagan winning the Cold War, communist ideology was doomed from its inception. The corruption and inherent flaws in that system make its fall, wherever it is implemented, inevitable.

 

[CSM]

What does that have to do with the fact that, currently, Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, nor will for at least 5 to 10 years?

As for Reagan winning the Cold War, communist ideology was doomed from its inception. The corruption and inherent flaws in that system make its fall, wherever it is implemented, inevitable.

Yeah I notice how poorly China is doing (and oh by the way) while trying to prop up North Korea. I suppose it is inevitable that they both fail; the question is how much damage to the rest of the world will they do before they go?

Oh, I know the North Koreans are building nukes for peaceful purposes and are a long way away from having that capability and are not a threat to the US or it's allies.....oh wait....never mind!

 

[sitarro]

What does that have to do with the fact that, currently, Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, nor will for at least 5 to 10 years?

Yea, you know.

As for Reagan winning the Cold War, communist ideology was doomed from its inception. The corruption and inherent flaws in that system make its fall, wherever it is implemented, inevitable.

If communist ideology was doomed from the beginning why are idiot liberals trying to set it up here? Why does the American communist party support Democrat candidates? Why are you such a douch?

 

[sitarro]

The cold war was won fifty years before Raygun even came to power...

Hey grump, haven't seen you two at the other site lately, forgot how to get there? Raygun....how origiinal of you, so creative with the words.

 

[90K]

To answer my post about why I believe the Iranians and mostly the government of Iran don’t hold much value to human life would extend to the Shaw back in 1979 when he was killed, from then on the country was put into a very tight hold and people fled the country. And if those persons ever returned they would be killed. I know this for a fact because I worked with a guy from Iran and he had family members who would visit him in the UAE while on break, they wanted him to come home but the threat of being killed was a motivating factor not to return. My friend told me that after the Shaw was killed the school started having the boys practice military marching and basic commands and he was 12 years old, he came home from school and told his parent he was holding a mock machine gun and the Army was saying they all had to be soldiers. His parents got him and his sister out of the country and they moved to New York with other family members.
The US has never to my knowledge ever gone to school and started a shake down using military service to young boys. Iran is a very unstable country and even when you mention Israel and about the hiding or truths of having nuke weapons, have they used them on any Middle Eastern country to date? And when Israel bombed the nuke power plant in Iraq in 1983 it was on good intel that Iraq had other plans. I was in a class 2 years ago with a very smart Iranian engineer and we were taking a human factor class for my job. This guy was obsessed with Nuclear energy and so much it was kind of odd. Was or is he a terrorist? I called our local FBI on him because of the obsession and the information he carried in his bags. Was I out of line? No I felt that if he was innocent then he’d have nothing to hide, but allowing a country like Iran to have nuclear weapons isn’t good. Having nuclear power could be a human rights thing with regards to quality of life.
You say all nations who have these deadly weapons abuse authority and I would say mostly it is the younger nations who have them and they will have to find a place and knowledge of dealing with neighbors on a more reasonable forum. Iran will use these weapons against other nations that cross them and if Iranians were so concerned about human life they would stay the hell out of Iraq and allow them to fight there own battles.

 

[glockmail]

The cold war was won fifty years before Raygun even came to power...

Yeah. That's why we had air raid drills in the schools during the 50s and 60s.

What a lame, stupid statement.

 

[glockmail]

What does that have to do with the fact that, currently, Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, nor will for at least 5 to 10 years?

As for Reagan winning the Cold War, communist ideology was doomed from its inception. The corruption and inherent flaws in that system make its fall, wherever it is implemented, inevitable.

Duh. So you prefer to wait until they get nukes, then we fight them? What the fuck kind of idiot would think like that?

That communist ideology expanded throughout the world during the tenure of every US president from FDR to Carter, until Reagan came along and squashed it like the dirty bug that it was. What kind of fucking moron would not know that?

 

[Gurdari]

So your response is to wait until they attack our allies, is it not?

Careful... you assume that is inevitable, don't put those words in my mouth. I cannot predict the future.

I would wait until the law is broken before attacking...
or admit that I don't give a shit about the law and say "I do as I please."

Either way, stake a position and stand by it, either 100% legal, or 100% supra-legal.

 

[Gurdari]

Duh. So you prefer to wait until they get nukes, then we fight them? What the fuck kind of idiot would think like that?

SO, by your rationale, Iran MUST attack the US pre-emptively...they would be idiots not to since they KNOW it is inevitable.

That communist ideology expanded throughout the world during the tenure of every US president from FDR to Carter, until Reagan came along and squashed it like the dirty bug that it was. What kind of fucking moron would not know that?

Communist ideology (never manifested properly) was and still is around. Reagan sowed the seeds of what is happening all over latin america these days... which is what? A rebound after years of 'free-market' to a kind of socialism.

 

[glockmail]

Careful... you assume that is inevitable, don't put those words in my mouth. I cannot predict the future.

I would wait until the law is broken before attacking...
or admit that I don't give a shit about the law and say "I do as I please."

Either way, stake a position and stand by it, either 100% legal, or 100% supra-legal.

Get real. Don't be an asshole idiot.
1. Iran has pubilically STATED that they will destroy Israel. No prediction necessary.
2. Conducting WAR and killing your enemy is not illegal. To think otherwise is stoopid.

 

[glockmail]

SO, by your rationale, Iran MUST attack the US pre-emptively...they would be idiots not to since they KNOW it is inevitable.


Communist ideology (never manifested properly) was and still is around. Reagan sowed the seeds of what is happening all over latin america these days... which is what? A rebound after years of 'free-market' to a kind of socialism.

1. STOOPID!!!! All Iran has to do is abide by their UN resolutions.
2. TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT!!! WhAt was Bill Clinton doing FOR 8 FUCKING YEARS!!!!!

Nobody with an IQ higher than 60 would think like you do.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yeah. That's why we had air raid drills in the schools during the 50s and 60s.

What a lame, stupid statement.

No, in fact, there was a debate about six months ago on another board I post on. Actually spoke to somebody who lived in the Soviet Union for 20 years (an American believe it or not). She said the Soviet Union was fucked from about the 1930s and Raygun had very little to do with it..

 

[Dr Grump]

Duh. So you prefer to wait until they get nukes, then we fight them? What the fuck kind of idiot would think like that?

That communist ideology expanded throughout the world during the tenure of every US president from FDR to Carter, until Reagan came along and squashed it like the dirty bug that it was. What kind of fucking moron would not know that?

You really need to learn your history before commenting. You look silly otherwise...

 

[Gurdari]

Get real. Don't be an asshole idiot.
1. Iran has pubilically STATED that they will destroy Israel. No prediction necessary.
2. Conducting WAR and killing your enemy is not illegal. To think otherwise is stoopid.

Iran stated what EXACTLY? Please reprint the statement instead of paraphrasing.

Conducting war and killing your 'enemy' can be legal, it can illegal.
Nuremburg showed that there is such a thing as 'law' when war is undertaken.

*Please read, and then re-read that sentence until you understand that I am not comparing the Nazis to anyone, just the idea that war can be legal and/or illegal.

 

[Gurdari]

1. STOOPID!!!! All Iran has to do is abide by their UN resolutions.
2. TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT!!! WhAt was Bill Clinton doing FOR 8 FUCKING YEARS!!!!!

Nobody with an IQ higher than 60 would think like you do.

I appreciate your IQ testing ability, but let's stay the course on topic here.
All Iran has to do is abide by the UN resolutions... hmmm... so the UN is an authority worth respecting, then? If so - all nations should abide by international law - did you ever answer the question about your stance? Should everyone have to obey the law - or only some?

Bill Clinton did a lot of things, be specific.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Bully, Bully, Bully....tsk tsk tsk.

Let's address each of your points, shall we?

1. "Actually, the Navy and Air Force are available and in great shape."

You know, as well as I do that you can bomb the shit out of an area and some wog will crawl out of a spider-hole and launch a Stinger, or its equivalent, at whatever flies by. Ya gotta have boots on the ground to hold it.

2. "Good, they'll be easy to take out but I have to ask: How can they be taken seriously if they are no threat?"

Iran poses no serious threat to its neighbors. An invading/occupying force would be another matter entirely. The Iraqi military WAS a cake-walk. The insurgency, was another matter entirely. US ground forces are not set up to deal effectively with asymmetric tactics. Some spec-op units are, but they are insufficient in numbers for the task.

3. "Except that nukes and troops are two different things. If they have nukes it doesn't matter what shape their conventional forces are in..."

Iraq doesn't have nukes.

4. "Only if we left ground troops there. As I said, we've learned from Iraq. Go in, take out the nasty regime...leave. If a new nasty regime takes over, do it again."

Go to any 12 step meeting, and you'll learn that doing the same thing over and over again in the expectation of a different result is a definition of insanity.

5. "Yeah that Reagan was a hell of a diplomat!"

Not so much. A doddering fool, yes, but he at least had some competent people in his cabinet, which is far more than cam be said of the current occupant of the Oval Office.

6. "I remember Iran's form of diplomacy....'take hostages, then blackmail' "

Didn't much work.

7. "We'll know just as soon as the mushroom cloud pops up....just like North Korea!"

Had the Bush administration allowed implementation of the plan started on Goatboy's watch, North Korea would have ceased to be an issue for the last 3 0r 4 years. Instead, Chimpy axed the plan, NK had the intervening years to develop and test their bomb, and now, Chimpy and Co are implementing the plan set out by Goatboy and Co. Only now, NK has nukes. And didn't Condimima say something about mushroom clouds in the run up to Iraq? We see how that turned out.

8. "Of course, Iran hasn't been rattling anything. I suppose too you agree that Israel and its people should be made to disappear."

Not at all, but a fair and equitable resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would go a long way to help defuse the tensions in the region.

9. "Nothing to gin up, they just go at each other naturally or are you blaming Bush for a centuries old conflict?"

In order to undermine Iran, Chimpy and Co are backing Sunni insurgents, many with al Qaeda ties, in Lebanon. These clandestine activities are aimed at stirring up simmering enmities between Sunni and Shi'te, with the administration taking the Sunni side, which just so happens to be the Saudi side....Which also complicates relations with the Shi'ite government the administration installed in Iraq. Nothing like a little regional destabilization to make for a dismal presidential legacy.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Yeah I notice how poorly China is doing (and oh by the way) while trying to prop up North Korea. I suppose it is inevitable that they both fail; the question is how much damage to the rest of the world will they do before they go?

Oh, I know the North Koreans are building nukes for peaceful purposes and are a long way away from having that capability and are not a threat to the US or it's allies.....oh wait....never mind!

China is a communist state in name only. The Central Committee has adopted free market mechanisms while trying to retain control of those mechanisms. They will soon find they have a tiger by the tail, and it will soon turn on them. As for propping up NK, they just do it to piss off the Bush administration.

Yeah, as I pointed out earlier, Chimpy and Co's inaction made it possible for Kim Jong Il and NK to devalop their nukes. But they don't have a delivery system, unless you count ox-carts. The Tae Pho Dong only stayed up 42 seconds before it came down. I have heard, however, that they are developing a new missile called the Ciallis that'll stay up for 36 hours.

 

[Vintij]

(((((((("Well I'd be troubled by the fact that a country the size of Iran just got nuked into a glowing glass sheet. But really the Iranians should consider the facts of having nuke weapons. To have those you have to act with responsibility of the outcome of a disaster if a weapon was used against another nation. Looking back to Japan I believe we had no other options and it was the only way they would stop fighting, and they the Japanese had invaded China, Korea, Philippines and other Asian nations so it was like they weren't completely innocent with regards to the world at war.
I personally don’t think the Iranians could or would hold much regard to human life and I feel almost certain they would use such technology as pay back to other nations and us the fear to control regional areas.
I haven’t heard my country threaten to nuke any nation and I’m the only one that will out right say make’em glow." ))))))


The us DID have a choice, tokyo was a wooden city, 50 square miles where burned to the ground, before the nuke was dropped, 58% of yokohama was destroyed before the nuke was dropped, toyama was completely destroyed before the nuke was dropped, 35 % of osaka, 41 % of kure, 50 % of omuta, 35 % of kawasaki, 40% of okoyama.....and the list goes on to about 67 major citys destroyed BEFORE general lemay commanded the nuke be dropped on hiroshima killing 100,000 japanese civilians in one night. We had japan under control before the nuke was dropped incase you didnt know. There are no rules of war for us so why should iran follow any rules of war?!?!

So if you want to bomb iran, and allow them to have a reason to drop a nuke on iraq then go ahead. We have no choice here, if we nuke iran we kill thousands of civilians and spark the 400,000 man army they have, to invade iraq to get to americans, they will drop a nuke in iraq you fool!! where are our troops?!?!? then its over for us. What are we going to do drop a nuke on iran and risk putting our troops in danger of retaliation? I would love to know your strategy of securing iraq and at the same time invading iran. we fucked up in iraq and that puts us in a horrible position with iran. You are an idiot and you should join the army to find out if we have the resources to invade or bomb iran.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Duh. So you prefer to wait until they get nukes, then we fight them? What the fuck kind of idiot would think like that?

That communist ideology expanded throughout the world during the tenure of every US president from FDR to Carter, until Reagan came along and squashed it like the dirty bug that it was. What kind of fucking moron would not know that?

Who said anything about fighting? Is that what you really want to do? If so, go have at it. If we'd played our cards right, Iran wouldn't have resorted to the development of nuclear weapons. But Chimpy and Co would rather bask in their opium dreams of Middle-Eastern hegemony than actually do the work of negotiating with some one they don't like. It's called the "Paris Hilton School of Diplomacy". Don't talk to anyone you don't like. On the world stage that doesn't so much work.

As for Communism, It's pretty much failed everywhere it's been tried. It was dying a natural death by the time Reagan came to office.

Glad to see you haven't changed though. Your posts are still the same name-calling, adolescent, temper tantrums you've aways had.