Atta Muhammad Noor, Afghan Governor, Criticizes U.S. Exit Plan

[JStone]

They can move to Darfur too.

Not likely. There are a few good Sudanese restaurants in NYC. OTOH, there is ample free parking in Darfur, which the UN delegates like.

Free parking and plenty of open land to build whatever they like, the only thing they have to worry about are random janjaweed rape attacks.

There have been numerous rapes in NY committed by UN diplomats who escape with diplomatic immunity, so, they'd fit right in.

 

[High_Gravity]

Not likely. There are a few good Sudanese restaurants in NYC. OTOH, there is ample free parking in Darfur, which the UN delegates like.

Free parking and plenty of open land to build whatever they like, the only thing they have to worry about are random janjaweed rape attacks.

There have been numerous rapes in NY committed by UN diplomats who escape with diplomatic immunity, so, they'd fit right in.

Not many hookers and prostitutes in Darfur, don't think the UN guys would like that.

 

[Sunni Man]

Atta Muhammad Noor, Afghan Governor, Criticizes U.S. Exit Plan

MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan -- Atta Muhammad Noor, a former Northern Alliance warlord who many consider to be the strongest governor in Afghanistan, is the kind of longstanding ally American officials would love to comfortably count on as they plan their withdrawal from the decade-old war here.

So it may sting a little to hear Noor lash out about the American exit strategy, and especially the U.S.-supported plan to bring the Taliban to the negotiating table, before a room full of American military officers.

"The current peace process as conducted by our government and by the U.S., with their meetings in Qatar, I don't think it can lead to a good outcome," Noor said last week in a conversation with a small gathering of reporters at his estate in Mazar. The gathering was organized and attended by a half-dozen coalition military officials. "It will be very difficult to sit at the same table with the leaders of the Taliban."

Noor's complaint may not be unexpected -- the idea that ex-Northern Alliance leaders would resist reconciliation talks with their ideological and military arch-enemies, the Taliban, is hardly surprising.

But it also clashes with recent American policy, which has focused on working behind-the-scenes to bring the Taliban back to peace talks. The hope, analysts and officials say, is that if a political balance can be struck between the insurgents and the government of President Hamid Karzai, the U.S. may be able to draw down its military presence by the end of 2014 without precipitating a new round of civil conflict.

If so, the political rebellion of the governors and warlords of the North, many of whom fought side-by-side with American special forces in the 2001 overthrow of the Taliban, could be a deeply complicating circumstance for the U.S. exit plan.

"I share the belief with my father that America’s Afghan strategy is shortsighted and probably based on domestic rather than strategic considerations," wrote Abdul Matin Bek, the son of a recently slain Northern tribal leader, who had fought with the Americans against the Taliban, in a January New York Times op-ed that captured the sentiment. "As Afghans, we rarely understand U.S. policy. One day the U.S. military declares the Taliban the enemy, the next day they’re willing to make peace. Does this policy reflect the realities on the ground? Is it a winning strategy?"

Back on topic.

The small political group called the Northern Alliance is composed of sell out Shiite afghans.

While almost all of the rest of Afghanistan is Sunni muslims; and that includes the Taliban.

So of course this Northern Alliance warlord is running scared and doesn't like the U.S. plan.

Cause when the American's leave; and hand over the keys to the Taliban; he is going to be in a world of hurt.

 

[JStone]

Atta Muhammad Noor, Afghan Governor, Criticizes U.S. Exit Plan

MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan -- Atta Muhammad Noor, a former Northern Alliance warlord who many consider to be the strongest governor in Afghanistan, is the kind of longstanding ally American officials would love to comfortably count on as they plan their withdrawal from the decade-old war here.

So it may sting a little to hear Noor lash out about the American exit strategy, and especially the U.S.-supported plan to bring the Taliban to the negotiating table, before a room full of American military officers.

"The current peace process as conducted by our government and by the U.S., with their meetings in Qatar, I don't think it can lead to a good outcome," Noor said last week in a conversation with a small gathering of reporters at his estate in Mazar. The gathering was organized and attended by a half-dozen coalition military officials. "It will be very difficult to sit at the same table with the leaders of the Taliban."

Noor's complaint may not be unexpected -- the idea that ex-Northern Alliance leaders would resist reconciliation talks with their ideological and military arch-enemies, the Taliban, is hardly surprising.

But it also clashes with recent American policy, which has focused on working behind-the-scenes to bring the Taliban back to peace talks. The hope, analysts and officials say, is that if a political balance can be struck between the insurgents and the government of President Hamid Karzai, the U.S. may be able to draw down its military presence by the end of 2014 without precipitating a new round of civil conflict.

If so, the political rebellion of the governors and warlords of the North, many of whom fought side-by-side with American special forces in the 2001 overthrow of the Taliban, could be a deeply complicating circumstance for the U.S. exit plan.

"I share the belief with my father that America’s Afghan strategy is shortsighted and probably based on domestic rather than strategic considerations," wrote Abdul Matin Bek, the son of a recently slain Northern tribal leader, who had fought with the Americans against the Taliban, in a January New York Times op-ed that captured the sentiment. "As Afghans, we rarely understand U.S. policy. One day the U.S. military declares the Taliban the enemy, the next day they’re willing to make peace. Does this policy reflect the realities on the ground? Is it a winning strategy?"

Back on topic.

The small political group called the Northern Alliance is composed of sell out Shiite afghans.

While almost all of the rest of Afghanistan is Sunni muslims; and that includes the Taliban.

So of course this Northern Alliance warlord is running scared and doesn't like the U.S. plan.

Cause when the American's leave; and hand over the keys to the Taliban; he is going to be in a world of hurt.

Islime is the religion of peace, no?

Well, maybe, no, after all



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I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

 

[High_Gravity]

Atta Muhammad Noor, Afghan Governor, Criticizes U.S. Exit Plan

MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan -- Atta Muhammad Noor, a former Northern Alliance warlord who many consider to be the strongest governor in Afghanistan, is the kind of longstanding ally American officials would love to comfortably count on as they plan their withdrawal from the decade-old war here.

So it may sting a little to hear Noor lash out about the American exit strategy, and especially the U.S.-supported plan to bring the Taliban to the negotiating table, before a room full of American military officers.

"The current peace process as conducted by our government and by the U.S., with their meetings in Qatar, I don't think it can lead to a good outcome," Noor said last week in a conversation with a small gathering of reporters at his estate in Mazar. The gathering was organized and attended by a half-dozen coalition military officials. "It will be very difficult to sit at the same table with the leaders of the Taliban."

Noor's complaint may not be unexpected -- the idea that ex-Northern Alliance leaders would resist reconciliation talks with their ideological and military arch-enemies, the Taliban, is hardly surprising.

But it also clashes with recent American policy, which has focused on working behind-the-scenes to bring the Taliban back to peace talks. The hope, analysts and officials say, is that if a political balance can be struck between the insurgents and the government of President Hamid Karzai, the U.S. may be able to draw down its military presence by the end of 2014 without precipitating a new round of civil conflict.

If so, the political rebellion of the governors and warlords of the North, many of whom fought side-by-side with American special forces in the 2001 overthrow of the Taliban, could be a deeply complicating circumstance for the U.S. exit plan.

"I share the belief with my father that America’s Afghan strategy is shortsighted and probably based on domestic rather than strategic considerations," wrote Abdul Matin Bek, the son of a recently slain Northern tribal leader, who had fought with the Americans against the Taliban, in a January New York Times op-ed that captured the sentiment. "As Afghans, we rarely understand U.S. policy. One day the U.S. military declares the Taliban the enemy, the next day they’re willing to make peace. Does this policy reflect the realities on the ground? Is it a winning strategy?"

Back on topic.

The small political group called the Northern Alliance is composed of sell out Shiite afghans.

While almost all of the rest of Afghanistan is Sunni muslims; and that includes the Taliban.

So of course this Northern Alliance warlord is running scared and doesn't like the U.S. plan.

Cause when the American's leave; and hand over the keys to the Taliban; he is going to be in a world of hurt.

Well Afghanistan is made up of a whole bunch of different ethnic groups and sects, there are Hazaras, Tajiks, Uzbeks etc. in the North as well as alot of Afghans in the West who speak Farsi, alot of them were refugees before we invaded and have come back. The Sunni Pashtuns are the majority in Afghanistan I believe, once we leave it will probably be another Taliban v.s Northern Alliance civil war like it was before we got there.

 

[JStone]

Atta Muhammad Noor, Afghan Governor, Criticizes U.S. Exit Plan

MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan -- Atta Muhammad Noor, a former Northern Alliance warlord who many consider to be the strongest governor in Afghanistan, is the kind of longstanding ally American officials would love to comfortably count on as they plan their withdrawal from the decade-old war here.

So it may sting a little to hear Noor lash out about the American exit strategy, and especially the U.S.-supported plan to bring the Taliban to the negotiating table, before a room full of American military officers.

"The current peace process as conducted by our government and by the U.S., with their meetings in Qatar, I don't think it can lead to a good outcome," Noor said last week in a conversation with a small gathering of reporters at his estate in Mazar. The gathering was organized and attended by a half-dozen coalition military officials. "It will be very difficult to sit at the same table with the leaders of the Taliban."

Noor's complaint may not be unexpected -- the idea that ex-Northern Alliance leaders would resist reconciliation talks with their ideological and military arch-enemies, the Taliban, is hardly surprising.

But it also clashes with recent American policy, which has focused on working behind-the-scenes to bring the Taliban back to peace talks. The hope, analysts and officials say, is that if a political balance can be struck between the insurgents and the government of President Hamid Karzai, the U.S. may be able to draw down its military presence by the end of 2014 without precipitating a new round of civil conflict.

If so, the political rebellion of the governors and warlords of the North, many of whom fought side-by-side with American special forces in the 2001 overthrow of the Taliban, could be a deeply complicating circumstance for the U.S. exit plan.

"I share the belief with my father that America’s Afghan strategy is shortsighted and probably based on domestic rather than strategic considerations," wrote Abdul Matin Bek, the son of a recently slain Northern tribal leader, who had fought with the Americans against the Taliban, in a January New York Times op-ed that captured the sentiment. "As Afghans, we rarely understand U.S. policy. One day the U.S. military declares the Taliban the enemy, the next day they’re willing to make peace. Does this policy reflect the realities on the ground? Is it a winning strategy?"

Back on topic.

The small political group called the Northern Alliance is composed of sell out Shiite afghans.

While almost all of the rest of Afghanistan is Sunni muslims; and that includes the Taliban.

So of course this Northern Alliance warlord is running scared and doesn't like the U.S. plan.

Cause when the American's leave; and hand over the keys to the Taliban; he is going to be in a world of hurt.

That little 1400 year war between the shiite-heads and the sunnis that has resulted in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of muslimes is nothing more than a minor internal family squabble, right?

Awwww, can't the muslime wife beaters, child honor killers, terrorists and pedophile worshippers just patch things up and let bygones be bygones?

 

[Sunni Man]

Well Afghanistan is made up of a whole bunch of different ethnic groups and sects, there are Hazaras, Tajiks, Uzbeks etc. in the North as well as alot of Afghans in the West who speak Farsi, alot of them were refugees before we invaded and have come back. The Sunni Pashtuns are the majority in Afghanistan I believe, once we leave it will probably be another Taliban v.s Northern Alliance civil war like it was before we got there.

Before we invaded, the Northern Alliance was on the ropes and only controlled 10% of Afghanistan. Basically, the far northern regions.

 

[High_Gravity]

Well Afghanistan is made up of a whole bunch of different ethnic groups and sects, there are Hazaras, Tajiks, Uzbeks etc. in the North as well as alot of Afghans in the West who speak Farsi, alot of them were refugees before we invaded and have come back. The Sunni Pashtuns are the majority in Afghanistan I believe, once we leave it will probably be another Taliban v.s Northern Alliance civil war like it was before we got there.

Before we invaded, the Northern Alliance was on the ropes and only controlled 10% of Afghanistan. Basically, the far northern regions.

The Taliban may very well take all of Afghanistan but it won't happen overnight, it will take some time to subdue the whole country under their rule.

 

[JStone]

Well Afghanistan is made up of a whole bunch of different ethnic groups and sects, there are Hazaras, Tajiks, Uzbeks etc. in the North as well as alot of Afghans in the West who speak Farsi, alot of them were refugees before we invaded and have come back. The Sunni Pashtuns are the majority in Afghanistan I believe, once we leave it will probably be another Taliban v.s Northern Alliance civil war like it was before we got there.

Before we invaded, the Northern Alliance was on the ropes and only controlled 10% of Afghanistan. Basically, the far northern regions.

Why do muslimes fuck up every country they invade? Other cultures build things. Muslims only destroy things.