"atlas shrugged" will change the face of american politics

[Bern80]

For instance, people who live next door to a petroleum refinery and face higher cancer rates.

And you think Rand would not have had a problem with that?

I didn't ask you if she had a problem with it. I asked what her strategy would be for handling it.

I think she would advise that it be handled through the legal system. A business doesn't have the right to harm another individual any more than an individual does.

 

[washamericom]

You know, on a scarcely related note, when I read the book and imagined what it might look like on the big screen, I always saw Julia Stiles playing Dagny. And the nerdy son from That 70s Show as her brother.

i'd see anything with julia stiles, she's awesome and would make a great dagny..
nancy pelosi could play "Mr. Thompson"

 

[cutter]

I do not trust hollywood to have been faithful to the book.

I will be ecstatic if they are true to the book, it's foundational ideology and character archetypes that are the basis of this masterpiece.

Personally, if this is successful in these aspects, I hope they remake "The Fountainhead". That book is really a triumph in a way. A modern heroic epic that exalts the power and dignity of individualism, rather than drags it through the mud. Ellsworth Toohey's revelation soliloquy to Peter Keating after his betrayal of Roark is one of the BEST soliloquy's ever written when you take into account what it really means. Beats the shit out of "John Galt Speaks" by a LONG run. (which was the ONLY part of Atlas Shrugged I did NOT enjoy because I already got the point in the previous 990 pages.)

It's funny, I've heard almost nothing about Atlas Shrugged, which should be a great film, But I see Battle For L.A. advertised on T.V. 3 or 4 times a day. I bet it doesn't get near the advertising it should.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"you and your fellow right wing conservatives believe in a dog eat dog mentality and work diligently to assure that a smalll portion of the populace reap GREAT REWARDS while MILLIONS living in poverty"

What I believe, is that the above, like it or not, is human nature, and that ultimately, flying in the face of it with a political ideology is a futile enterprise. You can force people to behave otherwise, or at least pretend to; you cannot, however, make them like it. This is why communism failed (it cannot exist, without a tyranny to support it), and why socialism and liberalism, as advocated today, cannot long prevail in a democracy. The real world is dog eat dog, and most people, instinctively knowing that, live and act accordingly, regardless of what they say. Liberals know this as well as anyone (why else would they be so determined to silence or even eliminate their political opposition) and are just as ruthless in pursuit of power as anyone else, all their protestations of "unselfishness" to the contrary.

Captilism has brought more people up and out of poverty than any government program ever did. That's a proven fact, but then again Liberals ignore the facts. Clinton's end of welfare as we know it, propelled people out of the projects and into the middle class, you ask why? Because you either sink or you swim.

Capitalism and social democracy have been responsible for lifting the masses in western society from poverty. Stay complete, please.

America is not a social democracy nor is it a democratic Republic, it's a Constitutional Republic. We are a Constitutional Republic because the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Not expecting an apology..but..

Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them | Tea Party and the Right | AlterNet
Ayn Rand, socialist | Michael Tomasky | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Cynical-C | Ayn Rand Received Social Security

So she used the benefits the government had forced her family to pay for and that is your argument? she fought to get back what was taken and she was broke . sorry try again.

i knew you would just make up an excuse. What a partisan fuck

You have something against recouping loses ?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Captilism has brought more people up and out of poverty than any government program ever did. That's a proven fact, but then again Liberals ignore the facts. Clinton's end of welfare as we know it, propelled people out of the projects and into the middle class, you ask why? Because you either sink or you swim.

Capitalism and social democracy have been responsible for lifting the masses in western society from poverty. Stay complete, please.

America is not a social democracy nor is it a democratic Republic, it's a Constitutional Republic. We are a Constitutional Republic because the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

Capitalism is economics, bigreb, while social democracy is a reform movement. Neither conflicts with the constitutional Republic. Let's review for you: (1) the Constitution is the ultimate law of the land; (2) a Republic is governed by republican representation, the election of representatives by the people. You with me on this?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Capitalism and social democracy have been responsible for lifting the masses in western society from poverty. Stay complete, please.

America is not a social democracy nor is it a democratic Republic, it's a Constitutional Republic. We are a Constitutional Republic because the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

Capitalism is economics, bigreb, while social democracy is a reform movement. Neither conflicts with the constitutional Republic. Let's review for you: (1) the Constitution is the ultimate law of the land; (2) a Republican is governed by republican representation, the election of representatives by the people. You with me on this?

Do you really want a mob rule? After isn't that what a democracy is? Imagine 51 percent of the people like me in charge. Change the laws as we please. I would repeal the NFA kill the military and place it back in the hands of the citizens militia.Just 51 percent.

 

[editec]

Atlas Shrugged has been around for 50 years and hasn't changed anything

Not true.

It became the central literary apology for FASCISM.

Greespann claims in his bio that he read the book (when he was in his 30s?!...what an illiterate man he must be) and it changed his perception of economics.

Now THAT is a frightening thought.

Of course I don't believe him, either.

I think at best all that book did was give him a book to point to that he knows economic ingoramouses thinks is intelligent.

I think he was a corporatist long before he ever heard of Atlas Shrugged.

 

[editec]

I see very little evidence on this board that most of you who claim this book and think it is your idea of a brilliant social commentary ever read it.

I think many of you know the Title, know that your masters told you it is brilliant and are trying to fake you love for it on this board.

Some of you so self-proclaiming cons have read it, no doubt, but I doubt all of you here testifying how good it is really did.

Becase as many of you proved to me time after time that you don't read much of anything, I seriously doubt many of you waded though that deadingly boring, bloated politically science screed.

Truner Dairies, that's I'd believe most of you cons might wade through.

But Atlas Shrugged?

Not a chance.




I think many of you so called freedom loving cons are basically liars.

 

[code1211]

Do have a 'for instance'?

For instance, people who live next door to a petroleum refinery and face higher cancer rates.

And you think Rand would not have had a problem with that?

Out of curiosity, did the people live there and shortly afterward a petroleum company bought the lot next door or did the refinery have a business going and the people next door moved in.

Just wondering.

 

[LostAmerican]

this is your last chance to read the book before the movie comes out.

i have waited my whole life for this. when i was in high school i discovered ayn rand, it changed my life , and much to my delight, would end up in a conservative website framed by objectivism.
i remember thinking, someday, once the internet is invented, this will be my political philosohpy and i will take it to the people..

life imitates art. we are dagney taggert and hank rearden (the protagonists) and the democratic party (led by one barrak obama... if that is your real name), is the government, and "mr. thompson".

you are going to be seeing and hearing and feeling atlas shrugged a lot in the coming time until the 2012 election.

as wonderfual as the original novel is, no, magnificient... the movie will better present to the masses, that big government is not only wrong, in this country, according to our constitution, it is immoral.

i further suggest that this hollywood production will play a large roll in unseating the president of obama, how ultimately and deliciously ironic. how do you like us now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W07bFa4TzM

it looks good, no, great.

When I was in high school, I spend most of my time worrying about getting killed in Vietnam.

Big government, small government.......the only government that should survive is one the people are willing to die for, not simply desire because it will put more money in their pocket.

 

[code1211]

I see very little evidence on this board that most of you who claim this book and think it is your idea of a brilliant social commentary ever read it.

I think many of you know the Title, know that your masters told you it is brilliant and are trying to fake you love for it on this board.

Some of you so self-proclaiming cons have read it, no doubt, but I doubt all of you here testifying how good it is really did.

Becase as many of you proved to me time after time that you don't read much of anything, I seriously doubt many of you waded though that deadingly boring, bloated politically science screed.

Truner Dairies, that's I'd believe most of you cons might wade through.

But Atlas Shrugged?

Not a chance.




I think many of you so called freedom loving cons are basically liars.

Way'll, now that them Godless and sex drove Hollywood perverts are finally making a Talkie 'bout thet thar ol' book, mebe wheel git ta read the signs in the beckground.

Wooda red the Bible, 2, butt I watched Charlton Heston 'stead.

Ah hope they have some nice titties in this thing. Kin ah brang mah gun ta the thayatar after church?

 

[Sallow]

There is no evidence to support your lie, thank you for trolling

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Not expecting an apology..but..

Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them | Tea Party and the Right | AlterNet
Ayn Rand, socialist | Michael Tomasky | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Cynical-C | Ayn Rand Received Social Security

So she used the benefits the government had forced her family to pay for and that is your argument? she fought to get back what was taken and she was broke . sorry try again.

You called me a liar and a troll. I posted links for you.

Man up and apologize.

 

[gekaap]

When I was in high school, I spend most of my time worrying about getting killed in Vietnam.

Big government, small government.......the only government that should survive is one the people are willing to die for, not simply desire because it will put more money in their pocket.

I doubt there's any government very many people are willing to die for. If you ask combat vets, they'll tell that what they're REALLY willing to die for is the person on their left and the person on their right.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Not expecting an apology..but..

Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them | Tea Party and the Right | AlterNet
Ayn Rand, socialist | Michael Tomasky | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Cynical-C | Ayn Rand Received Social Security

So she used the benefits the government had forced her family to pay for and that is your argument? she fought to get back what was taken and she was broke . sorry try again.

You called me a liar and a troll. I posted links for you.

Man up and apologize.

You are a troll and a liar, your links are a fail .
You said she died broke prove it.

 

[editec]

If you really believe that the movers and the shakers might not continue to move and shake even when government is actively trying to stop them, you are probably confused that the American business community is sitting on Trillions of dollars of investment capital instead of investing it.

Atlas Shrugged.

You believe the business community is sitting on trillions (it's not the business community, by the way, it's the financial sector) because they are removing themselves from society?

I'm pretty sure it's because they need the reserves and are being paid to hold them.

No he's right.

Major corporations in the USA are sitting on something like 4 trillion dollars in cash.

They're not putting people to work because they know that the people don't have money to spend.

Given their responsibility is to invest for fature profits, I can't blame them for not hiring new workers.

The working class is tapped out.

The working class is also the consumer class.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Call me crazy, but I'm going to predict that this movie will not change the face of American politics.

 

[Toro]

Yes..but instead of refusing the help of the Government..she did like the masses she so demonized.

she died for her art...

She died because she had a 100 pack year habit and got lung cancer.

Medicare picked up the bill for her treatment.

True story.

The ultimate irony is that when it became known that smoking caused cancer, she believed it was a government plot to spread disinformation and attack private industry. Rand was suspicious of and looked down upon those around her who didn't smoke.

As for the movie, thank God it is being directed by Hollywood. Rand directed The Fountainhead. It was awful. Her core philosophy was to be true to thyself and accept no compromise to your vision. So she did just that, insisted she direct the movie, and it bombed.

 

[Toro]

this is your last chance to read the book before the movie comes out.

i have waited my whole life for this. when i was in high school i discovered ayn rand, it changed my life , and much to my delight, would end up in a conservative website framed by objectivism.
i remember thinking, someday, once the internet is invented, this will be my political philosohpy and i will take it to the people..

life imitates art. we are dagney taggert and hank rearden (the protagonists) and the democratic party (led by one barrak obama... if that is your real name), is the government, and "mr. thompson".

you are going to be seeing and hearing and feeling atlas shrugged a lot in the coming time until the 2012 election.

as wonderfual as the original novel is, no, magnificient... the movie will better present to the masses, that big government is not only wrong, in this country, according to our constitution, it is immoral.

i further suggest that this hollywood production will play a large roll in unseating the president of obama, how ultimately and deliciously ironic. how do you like us now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W07bFa4TzM

it looks good, no, great.

todays conservative political leaders do NOT want smaller government.

they want LAWS!

and LAWS mean BIG GOVERNMENT.

newt gingrich "we must change the laws of the land to reflect our (christian) religious beliefs
and see to iit that they can NEVER BE CHANGED AGAIN"

tell me.....
how can you wage war on gays and atheists and liberals without big government?

You suffer from a misconception. You think that a person who claims to be Conservative is a Conservative.

If a person wants to draw power to the central government, expand the influence of government on the lives of private citizens or wants to take the money and property rights of Private Citizens, that person is NOT a Conservative.

If a person departs from laws and proceeds to personal whims to achieve his ends, he is not a Conservative. If he runs up the public debt for self agrandisement or unfunded whimsey in the face of real needs elsewhere, he is not a conservative.

We haven't had many Conservatives in this country in positions of power because the idiots who vote seem to prefer bribes to leadership. Sadly, in a Democracy, people get exactly the government that they deserve. This being the case, we are, as a country, screwed.

All of that said though, regardless of what anyone calls himself, he is a Conservative based only on what he does, not on what he says.

You are confusing conservatives with libertarians.

Conservative has no problem using government to enforce their ideas.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ok, I 've read about Ayn Rand for 5 minutes, now I'm an expert. Let's discuss the mystery of her appeal to Conservatives, starting with this:

My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.

—Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Anyone?