"atlas shrugged" will change the face of american politics

[Agit8r]

Next to the bible I think this is the best book ever written.

the two books are completely incompatible

 

[MikeK]

[...]It's comforting to know that before she died..she, like many Americans, had to rely on SSI because she went broke due to Medical expenses.

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Therein lies the tale.

 

[washamericom]

I can't wait until this movie comes out, France would not allow it to be written in the French language, they certainly felt threatened by it, but they should as it shows the evils of socialism. I think Obama needs to read it.

I hope that all of you conservatives and independents take your voting age children to see this movie. It will change them from mush heads that believe anything they hear and see and turn them into critical thinkers of government policy and the fallacies that are being promoted today by a very liberal bunch of mush heads who happen to be in the executive office.

I hear it was a businessman that invested 10 million dollars to make this movie. Please pass this information on to all of your contacts and urge them to see it. It makes you think and think critically.

france trying to censor the book is icing on the objective cake, i hate the french. (sarkosy has been better recently though).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)

i'm hoping that the movie (which makes objectivism more consumable for the public) will inspire that elusive american dream again, when hard work and individual achievement drive the economy to where it should be. this is instead of "we need to spread the wealth around" and "we can't have sucessful corporations producing too much (more than their "fair share" a term (theme) you will be hearing alot in the upcoming election)

this applies accurately to cap and trade specifically, where (according to wikkepedia) "a government authority" will determine how much a corporation can consume and emit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissions_trading

 

[ClosedCaption]

Ayn Rand is perhaps one of the worst authors I've ever wasted my time on. I got through 3/4ths of the Fountainhead before I tossed the book where it belonged..the trash.

It's comforting to know that before she died..she, like many Americans, had to rely on SSI because she went broke due to Medical expenses.

The irony was thick with this one.

There is no evidence to support your lie, thank you for trolling

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Not expecting an apology..but..

Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them | Tea Party and the Right | AlterNet
Ayn Rand, socialist | Michael Tomasky | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Cynical-C | Ayn Rand Received Social Security

I guess she realized she couldnt pay her medical bills with ideas and platitudes

 

[beowolfe]

this is your last chance to read the book before the movie comes out.

i have waited my whole life for this. when i was in high school i discovered ayn rand, it changed my life , and much to my delight, would end up in a conservative website framed by objectivism.
i remember thinking, someday, once the internet is invented, this will be my political philosohpy and i will take it to the people..

life imitates art. we are dagney taggert and hank rearden (the protagonists) and the democratic party (led by one barrak obama... if that is your real name), is the government, and "mr. thompson".

you are going to be seeing and hearing and feeling atlas shrugged a lot in the coming time until the 2012 election.

as wonderfual as the original novel is, no, magnificient... the movie will better present to the masses, that big government is not only wrong, in this country, according to our constitution, it is immoral.

i further suggest that this hollywood production will play a large roll in unseating the president of obama, how ultimately and deliciously ironic. how do you like us now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W07bFa4TzM

it looks good, no, great.

Dictators loved it too. Gave them justifications for staying in power.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

You neocons LIKE that the manly "producers" drop off the grid and form a commune in the end? Because that's exactly what they effing do! You like that do you, hippies?

 

[Bern80]

you and your fellow right wing conservatives believe in a dog eat dog mentality and work diligently to assure that a smalll portion of the populace reap GREAT REWARDS while MILLIONS living in poverty

is that so wrong ?

Is it wrong to work to assure that millions live in poverty?

Yes, it is.

What kind of fucked up world do you live in?

Thanks for illustrating your logical fallacy. Just because one believs one's own self interest should be served first, is not the same thing as attempting to make sure everyone else stays poor.

The problem with you Rand bashers is your mischaracterization of her beliefs. You equate serving one's own interests with hurting others. They are not one in the same, nor is the latter what Rand advocated.

 

[washamericom]

You neocons LIKE that the manly "producers" drop off the grid and form a commune in the end? Because that's exactly what they effing do! You like that do you, hippies?

shhhhh, i haven't seen it yet

 

[Mr. Peepers]

shhhhh, i haven't seen it yet

You didn't read the book? It's neocon soft porn (very soft).

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Thanks for illustrating your logical fallacy. Just because one believs one's own self interest should be served first, is not the same thing as attempting to make sure everyone else stays poor.

Look around you... that is EXACTLY what is happening right now.

The problem with you Rand bashers is your mischaracterization of her beliefs. You equate serving one's own interests with hurting others.

And who are the people "hurting" and being asked to sacrifice? It's teachers, the working poor and the middle class, that's who. American workers, that's who. It sure ain't Wall Street executives or anyone in the top 2% - they get continued tax relief while the rest are left go under water.

 

[dilloduck]

Are we to pretend that managing one's personal economy is no longer the responsibility of an American citizen ? Are you claiming that some people are just not able to function in our economy ?

 

[washamericom]

shhhhh, i haven't seen it yet

You didn't read the book? It's neocon soft porn (very soft).

i was waiting for the movie to come out.

who reads books anymore. see the movie you're in and out in two hours. (or four if it's a two parter)

 

[G.T.]

Something you haven't seen or read fully is sure to change the face of American Politics today? Talk about a fan boy! ; )

 

[Bern80]

Thanks for illustrating your logical fallacy. Just because one believs one's own self interest should be served first, is not the same thing as attempting to make sure everyone else stays poor.

Look around you... that is EXACTLY what is happening right now.

No, the wealthy making money is NOT what is causing the middle class and poor to stay poor and middle class. Though it is only human nature to blame others for your problems.

And who are the people "hurting" and being asked to sacrifice? It's teachers, the working poor and the middle class, that's who. American workers, that's who. It sure ain't Wall Street executives or anyone in the top 2% - they get continued tax relief while the rest are left go under water.

Sure they are. But those people hurting is not the bi-product of some other group of people accumulating wealth.

To the issue of the workng poor and teachers etc. I believe Rand would simply say that it is not the responsibility of others to maintain their standard of living. You are not entitled to be insulated from all fluctuating market conditions. Your job may not be as valuable tomorrow as it is today. When you say whiny bullshit like 'the rest are left to go under water' I have to ask the question who is it you believe 'left' you there? Regardless of whomever or whatever you think it is THAT is the problem in the thinking of you lefties. No one left you there. You no why? Because it wasn't anyone elses fucking job in the first place to keep you from getting left somewhere on the lower rungs of the standard of living ladder. It was YOUR job to take the actions that need to be taken in order to be where you wanted to be.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

who reads books anymore. see the movie you're in and out in two hours. (or four if it's a two parter)

And here we find the problem with this country...

 

[8537]

you and your fellow right wing conservatives believe in a dog eat dog mentality and work diligently to assure that a smalll portion of the populace reap GREAT REWARDS while MILLIONS living in poverty

is that so wrong ?

Is it wrong to work to assure that millions live in poverty?

Yes, it is.

What kind of fucked up world do you live in?

Thanks for illustrating your logical fallacy. Just because one believs one's own self interest should be served first, is not the same thing as attempting to make sure everyone else stays poor.

Eh, the poster asked if its wrong to work diligently to ensure that millions live in poverty. You should take up your complaint with him/her.

The problem with you Rand bashers is your mischaracterization of her beliefs. You equate serving one's own interests with hurting others.

The problem with you Rand lovers is that you make shit up, whole cloth. I said nothing at all similar - or in any way related - to the tripe you wrote above.

 

[Big Fitz]

I do not trust hollywood to have been faithful to the book.

I will be ecstatic if they are true to the book, it's foundational ideology and character archetypes that are the basis of this masterpiece.

Personally, if this is successful in these aspects, I hope they remake "The Fountainhead". That book is really a triumph in a way. A modern heroic epic that exalts the power and dignity of individualism, rather than drags it through the mud. Ellsworth Toohey's revelation soliloquy to Peter Keating after his betrayal of Roark is one of the BEST soliloquy's ever written when you take into account what it really means. Beats the shit out of "John Galt Speaks" by a LONG run. (which was the ONLY part of Atlas Shrugged I did NOT enjoy because I already got the point in the previous 990 pages.)

 

[Big Fitz]

Is it wrong to work to assure that millions live in poverty?

Yes, it is.

What kind of fucked up world do you live in?

Thanks for illustrating your logical fallacy. Just because one believs one's own self interest should be served first, is not the same thing as attempting to make sure everyone else stays poor.

Eh, the poster asked if its wrong to work diligently to ensure that millions live in poverty. You should take up your complaint with him/her.

The problem with you Rand bashers is your mischaracterization of her beliefs. You equate serving one's own interests with hurting others.

The problem with you Rand lovers is that you make shit up, whole cloth. I said nothing at all similar - or in any way related - to the tripe you wrote above.

The funny part is, you assumed the answer to "if its wrong to work diligently to ensure that millions live in poverty." Is automatically 'no'. The question is an incomplete thought if you actually read the book.

The looter meme is deep in you.

Regardless it's a fantastic hook. Most will go with that incorrect impression, and get the shakabuken they desperately need if this movie is true to it's source.

 

[Bern80]

Is it wrong to work to assure that millions live in poverty?

Yes, it is.

What kind of fucked up world do you live in?

Thanks for illustrating your logical fallacy. Just because one believs one's own self interest should be served first, is not the same thing as attempting to make sure everyone else stays poor.

Eh, the poster asked if its wrong to work diligently to ensure that millions live in poverty. You should take up your complaint with him/her.

The problem with you Rand bashers is your mischaracterization of her beliefs. You equate serving one's own interests with hurting others.

The problem with you Rand lovers is that you make shit up, whole cloth. I said nothing at all similar - or in any way related - to the tripe you wrote above.

Then perhaps it's both of you that are wrong. I believe wash is being sarcastic. and I think you are being serious. The problem is the premise. IF people were attaining wealth by hurting others that would be bad, but that is not reality. The accumulation of wealth does not necessitate one hurting another.

And yes you did say that. You asked if it was wrong to assure that everyone live in povery as if there is some group of people actually doing that in this country.

 

[8537]

Then perhaps it's both of you that are wrong. I believe wash is being sarcastic. and I think you are being serious. The problem is the premise. IF people were attaining wealth by hurting others that would be bad, but that is not reality. The accumulation of wealth does not necessitate one hurting another.

Sometimes people (and firms) attain wealth by - or at the expense of - hurting others.