Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why'

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It's shame that bad cops give the other 1% of cops a bad name

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why' | ajc.com

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why'

The Atlanta City Council is expected to agree pay $20,000 to settle a lawsuit a by a 62-year-old woman who was jailed for asking a police officer “why” she and friends had to move from a sidewalk where they were talking about an upcoming funeral.

A council committee has already accepted the city attorney's recommendation to settle the case, but the settlement must be approved by the entire city council. Minnie Carey spent almost 10 hours in jail on a charge of disorderly conduct brought by an officer who already had a troubled history with the Atlanta Police Department.

“It’s resolved,” said Carey's attorney, Robert Ortman.

APD was named in the suit, and a spokesman for the department said Friday that an internal investigation found officer Brandy Dolson "acted within the parameters of department policies and procedures," which complied with national standards. "Those [national] guidelines are based on a set of proven standards that take into account the difficult situations police officers face every day, and the split-second decisions they must make to protect citizens and reduce their own personal risk,” APD public affairs director Carlos Campos said in an e-mail.

This is one of two settlements the council is expected to address on Monday that involve incidents with Atlanta police officers.

If the other proposed settlement is approved, taxpayers will give 22 cab drivers $425,000 to settle a federal lawsuit. The suit says officers confiscated permits and insurance stickers and then immediately cited or arrested the drivers for not having those stickers on their cars. The drivers were targeted because their checks to APD's Division of Taxicabs and Vehicles for Hire were returned; some of those checks were written as long as two years before they were deposited.
 
It's shame that bad cops give the other 1% of cops a bad name

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why' | ajc.com

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why'

The Atlanta City Council is expected to agree pay $20,000 to settle a lawsuit a by a 62-year-old woman who was jailed for asking a police officer “why” she and friends had to move from a sidewalk where they were talking about an upcoming funeral.

A council committee has already accepted the city attorney's recommendation to settle the case, but the settlement must be approved by the entire city council. Minnie Carey spent almost 10 hours in jail on a charge of disorderly conduct brought by an officer who already had a troubled history with the Atlanta Police Department.

“It’s resolved,” said Carey's attorney, Robert Ortman.

APD was named in the suit, and a spokesman for the department said Friday that an internal investigation found officer Brandy Dolson "acted within the parameters of department policies and procedures," which complied with national standards. "Those [national] guidelines are based on a set of proven standards that take into account the difficult situations police officers face every day, and the split-second decisions they must make to protect citizens and reduce their own personal risk,” APD public affairs director Carlos Campos said in an e-mail.

This is one of two settlements the council is expected to address on Monday that involve incidents with Atlanta police officers.

If the other proposed settlement is approved, taxpayers will give 22 cab drivers $425,000 to settle a federal lawsuit. The suit says officers confiscated permits and insurance stickers and then immediately cited or arrested the drivers for not having those stickers on their cars. The drivers were targeted because their checks to APD's Division of Taxicabs and Vehicles for Hire were returned; some of those checks were written as long as two years before they were deposited.

why do apologists keep up with this bullshit saying? seeing how numerous cases of police brutality and powertripping are reported everyday don't you think the number is a little higher than 1% now? why this cop isn't fired is beyond me
 
That is the real rub. I do not want the city to pay exuberant fees of $2000 an hour for jailing someone that should not have been jailed. That is not addressing the problem. FIRE the offender. THAT would address the problem.
 
The American story, in five easy steps:

White cop tries to enforce law.

Black woman fights him.

Jew lawyer sues.

Taxpayers pay.

Repeat.
 
It's shame that bad cops give the other 1% of cops a bad name

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why' | ajc.com

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why'

The Atlanta City Council is expected to agree pay $20,000 to settle a lawsuit a by a 62-year-old woman who was jailed for asking a police officer “why” she and friends had to move from a sidewalk where they were talking about an upcoming funeral.

A council committee has already accepted the city attorney's recommendation to settle the case, but the settlement must be approved by the entire city council. Minnie Carey spent almost 10 hours in jail on a charge of disorderly conduct brought by an officer who already had a troubled history with the Atlanta Police Department.

“It’s resolved,” said Carey's attorney, Robert Ortman.

APD was named in the suit, and a spokesman for the department said Friday that an internal investigation found officer Brandy Dolson "acted within the parameters of department policies and procedures," which complied with national standards. "Those [national] guidelines are based on a set of proven standards that take into account the difficult situations police officers face every day, and the split-second decisions they must make to protect citizens and reduce their own personal risk,” APD public affairs director Carlos Campos said in an e-mail.

This is one of two settlements the council is expected to address on Monday that involve incidents with Atlanta police officers.

If the other proposed settlement is approved, taxpayers will give 22 cab drivers $425,000 to settle a federal lawsuit. The suit says officers confiscated permits and insurance stickers and then immediately cited or arrested the drivers for not having those stickers on their cars. The drivers were targeted because their checks to APD's Division of Taxicabs and Vehicles for Hire were returned; some of those checks were written as long as two years before they were deposited.

Let me be Devil's advocate here - it looks to me like the woman was not arrested for merely asking "why." She was arrested because, while she was asking "why," she was also disobeying an officer's command to move. THAT's why she was arrested - not merely for asking "why."

Now, in spite of that, this is an obvious case of lousy police work. Cops need to use a little common sense. They sometimes need to step away from the situation and look at the Big Picture. Had a reasonable officer done that, this woman would not have been arrested.

One final comment: In the opening line of your OP, don't you mean 99%, rather than 1%? The way you have it, your remark does not make much sense.
 
It's shame that bad cops give the other 1% of cops a bad name

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why' | ajc.com

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why'

The Atlanta City Council is expected to agree pay $20,000 to settle a lawsuit a by a 62-year-old woman who was jailed for asking a police officer “why” she and friends had to move from a sidewalk where they were talking about an upcoming funeral.

A council committee has already accepted the city attorney's recommendation to settle the case, but the settlement must be approved by the entire city council. Minnie Carey spent almost 10 hours in jail on a charge of disorderly conduct brought by an officer who already had a troubled history with the Atlanta Police Department.

“It’s resolved,” said Carey's attorney, Robert Ortman.

APD was named in the suit, and a spokesman for the department said Friday that an internal investigation found officer Brandy Dolson "acted within the parameters of department policies and procedures," which complied with national standards. "Those [national] guidelines are based on a set of proven standards that take into account the difficult situations police officers face every day, and the split-second decisions they must make to protect citizens and reduce their own personal risk,” APD public affairs director Carlos Campos said in an e-mail.

This is one of two settlements the council is expected to address on Monday that involve incidents with Atlanta police officers.

If the other proposed settlement is approved, taxpayers will give 22 cab drivers $425,000 to settle a federal lawsuit. The suit says officers confiscated permits and insurance stickers and then immediately cited or arrested the drivers for not having those stickers on their cars. The drivers were targeted because their checks to APD's Division of Taxicabs and Vehicles for Hire were returned; some of those checks were written as long as two years before they were deposited.

Let me be Devil's advocate here - it looks to me like the woman was not arrested for merely asking "why." She was arrested because, while she was asking "why," she was also disobeying an officer's command to move. THAT's why she was arrested - not merely for asking "why."

Now, in spite of that, this is an obvious case of lousy police work. Cops need to use a little common sense. They sometimes need to step away from the situation and look at the Big Picture. Had a reasonable officer done that, this woman would not have been arrested.

One final comment: In the opening line of your OP, don't you mean 99%, rather than 1%? The way you have it, your remark does not make much sense.

You are wrong. People have a right to not only question an unlawful order, but also to disobey it

Why do you think the city settled by paying so much money?
 
Atlanta could save a lot of money if they just disbanded the police force.
 
It's shame that bad cops give the other 1% of cops a bad name

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why' | ajc.com

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why'

The Atlanta City Council is expected to agree pay $20,000 to settle a lawsuit a by a 62-year-old woman who was jailed for asking a police officer “why” she and friends had to move from a sidewalk where they were talking about an upcoming funeral.

A council committee has already accepted the city attorney's recommendation to settle the case, but the settlement must be approved by the entire city council. Minnie Carey spent almost 10 hours in jail on a charge of disorderly conduct brought by an officer who already had a troubled history with the Atlanta Police Department.

“It’s resolved,” said Carey's attorney, Robert Ortman.

APD was named in the suit, and a spokesman for the department said Friday that an internal investigation found officer Brandy Dolson "acted within the parameters of department policies and procedures," which complied with national standards. "Those [national] guidelines are based on a set of proven standards that take into account the difficult situations police officers face every day, and the split-second decisions they must make to protect citizens and reduce their own personal risk,” APD public affairs director Carlos Campos said in an e-mail.

This is one of two settlements the council is expected to address on Monday that involve incidents with Atlanta police officers.

If the other proposed settlement is approved, taxpayers will give 22 cab drivers $425,000 to settle a federal lawsuit. The suit says officers confiscated permits and insurance stickers and then immediately cited or arrested the drivers for not having those stickers on their cars. The drivers were targeted because their checks to APD's Division of Taxicabs and Vehicles for Hire were returned; some of those checks were written as long as two years before they were deposited.

Let me be Devil's advocate here - it looks to me like the woman was not arrested for merely asking "why." She was arrested because, while she was asking "why," she was also disobeying an officer's command to move. THAT's why she was arrested - not merely for asking "why."

Now, in spite of that, this is an obvious case of lousy police work. Cops need to use a little common sense. They sometimes need to step away from the situation and look at the Big Picture. Had a reasonable officer done that, this woman would not have been arrested.

One final comment: In the opening line of your OP, don't you mean 99%, rather than 1%? The way you have it, your remark does not make much sense.

Cops are always wrong in libruland. we should just not have any. Who needs em?
 
It's shame that bad cops give the other 1% of cops a bad name

LOL!

That about sums it up.

What's that old joke?

Q: What's yer old man do for a living?

A: Nuttin! He's a cop.
 
It's shame that bad cops give the other 1% of cops a bad name

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why' | ajc.com

Atlanta expected to pay $20,000 to woman arrested for asking a police officer ‘why'

The Atlanta City Council is expected to agree pay $20,000 to settle a lawsuit a by a 62-year-old woman who was jailed for asking a police officer “why” she and friends had to move from a sidewalk where they were talking about an upcoming funeral.

A council committee has already accepted the city attorney's recommendation to settle the case, but the settlement must be approved by the entire city council. Minnie Carey spent almost 10 hours in jail on a charge of disorderly conduct brought by an officer who already had a troubled history with the Atlanta Police Department.

“It’s resolved,” said Carey's attorney, Robert Ortman.

APD was named in the suit, and a spokesman for the department said Friday that an internal investigation found officer Brandy Dolson "acted within the parameters of department policies and procedures," which complied with national standards. "Those [national] guidelines are based on a set of proven standards that take into account the difficult situations police officers face every day, and the split-second decisions they must make to protect citizens and reduce their own personal risk,” APD public affairs director Carlos Campos said in an e-mail.

This is one of two settlements the council is expected to address on Monday that involve incidents with Atlanta police officers.

If the other proposed settlement is approved, taxpayers will give 22 cab drivers $425,000 to settle a federal lawsuit. The suit says officers confiscated permits and insurance stickers and then immediately cited or arrested the drivers for not having those stickers on their cars. The drivers were targeted because their checks to APD's Division of Taxicabs and Vehicles for Hire were returned; some of those checks were written as long as two years before they were deposited.

why do apologists keep up with this bullshit saying? seeing how numerous cases of police brutality and powertripping are reported everyday don't you think the number is a little higher than 1% now? why this cop isn't fired is beyond me

Whatever the number may be, when a "troubled cop" remains on the payroll he places the city's coffers at risk. As with every other profession, law enforcement wants to police its own. The resistance to meaningful citizen oversight is enormous. They claim we cannot appreciate the significant risks they face, just as doctors claim lay people cannot appreciate the "art of medicine", etc.

Yet the fact remains, a citizen review board is more likely to cull "troubled cops" from the ranks. What we are actually hearing, and agreeing to, is a plea to value the job security of cops over the rights of citizens. Myself, I'd rather address the needs of these cops for job security with some sort of outplacement, retraining, etc.

Thankies so much for your service...but get off the job.
 

why do apologists keep up with this bullshit saying? seeing how numerous cases of police brutality and powertripping are reported everyday don't you think the number is a little higher than 1% now? why this cop isn't fired is beyond me

Whatever the number may be, when a "troubled cop" remains on the payroll he places the city's coffers at risk. As with every other profession, law enforcement wants to police its own. The resistance to meaningful citizen oversight is enormous. They claim we cannot appreciate the significant risks they face, just as doctors claim lay people cannot appreciate the "art of medicine", etc.

Yet the fact remains, a citizen review board is more likely to cull "troubled cops" from the ranks. What we are actually hearing, and agreeing to, is a plea to value the job security of cops over the rights of citizens. Myself, I'd rather address the needs of these cops for job security with some sort of outplacement, retraining, etc.

Thankies so much for your service...but get off the job.



nm
 
The American story, in five easy steps:

White cop tries to enforce law.

Black woman fights him.

Jew lawyer sues.

Taxpayers pay.

Repeat.

the cop went too far

the woman did NOT deserve arrest or jail

and by specifically stating "jews" and "blacks" I can only conclude you are an ignorant scumbag

I also know you would be whistling a far different tune if this woman had been a white christian (ruby ridge, waco)

if you think that blacks and jews do NOT have the right to question police brutality than you are , indeed, a fkn scumbag
 
Whatever the number may be, when a "troubled cop" remains on the payroll he places the city's coffers at risk. As with every other profession, law enforcement wants to police its own. The resistance to meaningful citizen oversight is enormous. They claim we cannot appreciate the significant risks they face, just as doctors claim lay people cannot appreciate the "art of medicine", etc.

Yet the fact remains, a citizen review board is more likely to cull "troubled cops" from the ranks. What we are actually hearing, and agreeing to, is a plea to value the job security of cops over the rights of citizens. Myself, I'd rather address the needs of these cops for job security with some sort of outplacement, retraining, etc.

Thankies so much for your service...but get off the job.
Much of the problem with apparently excessive force is it often occurs in compliance with the rule book and is therefore difficult or impossible to penalize. For example, if you watch the tv documentary, COPS, in just about every episode you will see at least one example of someone who, in spite of his docile and cooperative conduct and obvious willingness to surrender, is vigorously slammed face down onto pavement, his arms forcefully twisted behind him while one cop roughly drives his knee onto the back of his neck while he's being handcuffed.

The problem here is the cops are following "procedure." This practice is not arbitrary or discretionary. It is mandatory. And while the level of force used in this procedure is sometimes clearly excessive, there is no way to substantiate such an observation.

The same circumstance applies to many other aspects of police performance in that the rule book is sometimes followed a bit more forcefully than is necessary -- but there is no way to prove that, either in court or in a departmental disciplinary trial. To modify the rules and procedures in order to eliminate opportunity to employ such unnecessary force would eventually result in officers being injured by uncooperative subjects because they failed to take aggressive initial action.
 

Let me be Devil's advocate here - it looks to me like the woman was not arrested for merely asking "why." She was arrested because, while she was asking "why," she was also disobeying an officer's command to move. THAT's why she was arrested - not merely for asking "why."

Now, in spite of that, this is an obvious case of lousy police work. Cops need to use a little common sense. They sometimes need to step away from the situation and look at the Big Picture. Had a reasonable officer done that, this woman would not have been arrested.

One final comment: In the opening line of your OP, don't you mean 99%, rather than 1%? The way you have it, your remark does not make much sense.

You are wrong. People have a right to not only question an unlawful order, but also to disobey it

Why do you think the city settled by paying so much money?

That is correct. But it comes down to a matter of practicality. Sure, you have a right to resist an unlawful order - but out there on the street, with no one else around, what's going to happen to you if you do? Sometimes, the fact that the order you were resisting was unlawful, begins to pale a bit if you are contemplating that fact from a hospital bed.
 
Let me be Devil's advocate here - it looks to me like the woman was not arrested for merely asking "why." She was arrested because, while she was asking "why," she was also disobeying an officer's command to move. THAT's why she was arrested - not merely for asking "why."

Now, in spite of that, this is an obvious case of lousy police work. Cops need to use a little common sense. They sometimes need to step away from the situation and look at the Big Picture. Had a reasonable officer done that, this woman would not have been arrested.

One final comment: In the opening line of your OP, don't you mean 99%, rather than 1%? The way you have it, your remark does not make much sense.

You are wrong. People have a right to not only question an unlawful order, but also to disobey it

Why do you think the city settled by paying so much money?

That is correct. But it comes down to a matter of practicality. Sure, you have a right to resist an unlawful order - but out there on the street, with no one else around, what's going to happen to you if you do? Sometimes, the fact that the order you were resisting was unlawful, begins to pale a bit if you are contemplating that fact from a hospital bed.

There is a difference between resisting arrest (and arrest is the proper police response to a failure to comply with a lawful order) and not complying with an unlawful order.
 

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