Atheist soldier says Army punished him

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    This one's going to get tossed as well. I'll be interested to see how this guy's atheist beliefs fall under the Constitutional right to practice one's religion if, as I have been told time and again on this board, atheism is not a religion.:eusa_whistle:

    As far as his wanting to hold a meeting, one does not have the right to do anything on military time but what the military tells one.
     
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    No...atheism isn't a religion (although I've seen you argue a number of times it is... ). But the right to freedom of religion also means freedom *from* religion.
     
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    Nice turn of a phrase. Not that it is true in any but the tounge in cheek sense. But it makes a great soundbyte.
     
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    No it doesn't. The US Constitution does NOT say that, nor imply it and any interpretation that claims it does smells REAL bad.

    Be that as it may, apparently this atheist is arguing that it is a religion and he has been denied the right to practice it.

    Fact is, by definition, it as every bit a religion as any other religion is.
     
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    Religion


    Agnostic. Atheist. Non-observant Jewish. Neo-pagan. Very commonly, three or more of these are combined in the same person. Conventional faith-holding Christianity is rare though not unknown.

    Even hackers who identify with a religious affiliation tend to be relaxed about it, hostile to organized religion in general and all forms of religious bigotry in particular. Many enjoy `parody' religions such as Discordianism and the Church of the SubGenius.

    Also, many hackers are influenced to varying degrees by Zen Buddhism or (less commonly) Taoism, and blend them easily with their `native' religions.

    There is a definite strain of mystical, almost Gnostic sensibility that shows up even among those hackers not actively involved with neo-paganism, Discordianism, or Zen. Hacker folklore that pays homage to `wizards' and speaks of incantations and demons has too much psychological truthfulness about it to be entirely a joke.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
     
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    The Constitution only works if it goes both ways. Saying there's freedom of "religion" for believers, but non-believers can get shoved around doesn't in any way, shape or form comport with the First Amendment.

    And I'm not going to argue the point with you. It's been discussed far too many times on the board. There's only so many ways that people can prove atheism isn't a religion because religion REQUIRES a belief in the supernatural.
     
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    Actually it's a snappy summing up.
     
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    Paradox. United Kingdom has a state religion. Religion is negligible in the political process. United States forbids state religion. Religion infests the political process.

    Thoughts?

    I mean thoughts, not irrelevant snarling. But if you want to do that fine, see you in the bullring.
     
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    You won't argue the point because you can't. The basic premise of my argument has never been shot down. Twisted, deflected from, intention misinterpretation of definitions used, whne all else fails I get insulted, but the basic premise stands.

    This person wanting to organize a group with the basis of that group being religion -- whether a belief or disbelief in Christianity -- only further illustrates my point.

    The fact that he is attempting to use his right to practice the religion of his choosing as the basis fo rhis argument even FURTHER illustrates it.

    And onlly if what you said was true, but the fact is, the only thing you liberals recognize in the First Amendment is the one you have made up ... freedom FROM religion.

    The First Amendment says you can practice the religion of your choosing. It does not say that if you are the minority that you can stifle the majority, an interpretation that not only is fabricated, but ridiculous.
     
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    That's not a fact at all. It's your opinion.

    It's like saying unenrolled is it's own political party.
     
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